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Offline Mig Eater

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Flakpanther 5.5cm Zwilling
« on: January 15, 2025, 05:36:56 AM »
I plan to join the group build with a combination of a Tamiya Panther Ausf.G hull and the turret from a Trumpeter E-50 Flakpanzer kit to produce Rheinmetall's Flakpanther 5.5cm Zwilling proposal from May 1943.







Not the most adventurous of kitbashes but its been on my to do list for a very long time and this group build seems like a good opportunity to finally build it.
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Re: Flakpanther 5.5cm Zwilling
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2025, 05:43:59 AM »
 :smiley:


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Re: Flakpanther 5.5cm Zwilling
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2025, 07:16:48 AM »
I don’t know a thing about German armor so what’s the difference between the two hulls?

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Re: Flakpanther 5.5cm Zwilling
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2025, 09:13:27 AM »
The E-50 was proposed as the replacement for the Panther, development didn't progress that far before the war ended tho and none were built. They share a similar angled box shaped hull but the E-50 was larger and used different running gear, engine, turret, etc.

Panther


E-50


There are no kits of the Panther with the 5.5cm Zwilling turret available but Trumpeter release a what-if version of the E-50 equipped with the turret, so I can borrow the turret parts and put it on a Panther kit to make the original design.
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Re: Flakpanther 5.5cm Zwilling
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2025, 07:24:33 PM »
I'm making a start on my build, I originally planed to use a Tamiya Panther but I thought I'd try out DasWerk's new Super Blitz Panther instead.

 

Luckily the E-50 Flakpanzer turret only needed a bit of sanding to fit the DasWerk panther.



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Re: Flakpanther 5.5cm Zwilling
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2025, 06:55:02 PM »
Well they weren't kidding when they called it a "Super Blitz" kit, it only took me two leisurely days to build the hull.


First thing I did was spray the interior black with some cheap rattle can paint, I tried to do it as neatly as I could but you can see some over spray on the exterior of the hull.



After that the kit basically fell together without much effort, the one exception was the exhausts which are made from two parts and needed some Mr Surfacer to help fill the seam line. The kit does come with an alternative version of the exhausts that is one solid part tho.





The kit has several parts that are simplified to cut down on the part count, the most obvious example of this is the suspension arms which are molded as part of the hull.



The Panther uses 32 individual road wheels which can often be a pain to paint and fit onto the hull, DasWerk have greatly simplified this tho and you instead have two sub-assemblies for each side that slot together.



The tracks are link and length and the sections are pre shaped to fit around sprockets and wheels, they were probably the quickest and easiest tracks that I've ever built.



My only complaint with the kit is that the raised cooling fan for the crew heating system is molded onto the hull in the closed position but the slats on the opposite side are open, they should both be either open or closed tho. I plan to cover the cooling grills with anti-aircraft armour tho so I'm not that bothered by it for this build.

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Re: Flakpanther 5.5cm Zwilling
« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2025, 02:27:21 AM »
That Panther kit reminds of the OLD Panther kit, that had the suspension arms moulded to the lower hull, so that it could be motorised. I carved them off using an X-Acto knife in order to make a sci-fi Grav Tank.I also carved my finger, I still have the scar . . .

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Re: Flakpanther 5.5cm Zwilling
« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2025, 03:53:21 AM »
Yes Tamiya's first Panther Tank has the suspension arms molded on to the hull too. I have have a half built one sitting on my shelf of doom, I'm hoping to finish it some time this year tho.

An anti-grav Panther sounds funky, do you have any photos of it?

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Re: Flakpanther 5.5cm Zwilling
« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2025, 06:34:07 AM »
Well they weren't kidding when they called it a "Super Blitz" kit, it only took me two leisurely days to build the hull.

The tracks are link and length and the sections are pre shaped to fit around sprockets and wheels, they were probably the quickest and easiest tracks that I've ever built.


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But they should be molded in just two lengths, top & bottom, not a few sections.
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Re: Flakpanther 5.5cm Zwilling
« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2025, 07:38:00 AM »
That Panther kit reminds of the OLD Panther kit, that had the suspension arms moulded to the lower hull, so that it could be motorised. I carved them off using an X-Acto knife in order to make a sci-fi Grav Tank.I also carved my finger, I still have the scar . . .

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Re: Flakpanther 5.5cm Zwilling
« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2025, 02:09:27 PM »
this is looking like a great kit for this.
Although, the simplified wheels are a bit baffling, it is not that hard to to put on Panther roadwheels.

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Re: Flakpanther 5.5cm Zwilling
« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2025, 07:09:45 PM »
this is looking like a great kit for this.

I'm already planning buy a few more of these kits for some other conversions ;)


Although, the simplified wheels are a bit baffling, it is not that hard to to put on Panther roadwheels.

I'm looking forward to painting the wheels, it should hopefully be easier then then trying to balance 32 wheels at once ;D


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Re: Flakpanther 5.5cm Zwilling
« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2025, 12:00:16 AM »
I've finished building the Trumpeter flak turret,

I again spray painted the interior black but in hindsight it wasn't that necessary. The large square hatch on top of the turret is normally moveable and houses a range finder, but I decided to glue the hatch closed and omit the range finder (I've built a different version of this turret before and made all 4 of the turret's hatches moveable and also painted/weathered the interior, so I'm not that bothered this time). I also replace the barrels with some metal ones from RB models which have much better muzzel flashes.

All of the kit parts are now done but I have some extra details that I want to scratch build.








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Re: Flakpanther 5.5cm Zwilling
« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2025, 02:42:49 AM »
Looking good, almost ready for painting . . .
An anti-grav Panther sounds funky, do you have any photos of it?
Believe it or not, I may still have the model, but if I do, It's in the attic . . . I will try to find it when I have time to go hunting.

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Re: Flakpanther 5.5cm Zwilling
« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2025, 04:09:48 AM »
Looking good, almost ready for painting . . .

Not yet, there are a few missing details and some extra armour that I need to scratch build.

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Re: Flakpanther 5.5cm Zwilling
« Reply #15 on: February 17, 2025, 05:37:30 AM »
Certainly chunkier guns than the Panther Coelian

The completed hull look really good

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Re: Flakpanther 5.5cm Zwilling
« Reply #16 on: March 03, 2025, 05:21:57 PM »
It took me three days to build the Das Werk hull and Trumpeter turret and then two weeks to scratch build/3D print my own extra parts...

As this Panther was designed to fight aircraft it seemed appropriate to fit it with anti-aircraft armour over the engine deck. I have a photo-etch set of the Panther's anti-aircraft armour but I decided to save it and instead scratch build my own armour from some bass sheet and steel wire, using the photo-etch set as a guide. I also used some of the bass to add a debris deflector to the roof of the turret.

Years ago I bought several boxes of resin parts from Custom Scale which included over 100 rounds of 5.5cm flak ammo, I've been waiting for the opportunity to finally use some of them so I scattered a few around the engine deck.

I 3D printed a bracket to hold a Jerry can and added it to the rear of the turret, I filled it with a pair of MG42 ammo boxes and a rolled up tarp. I originally planed to add a second bracket with a Jerry can on the other side of the turret but I decided to leave it off as I liked the asymmetry of the single bracket.

The turret has two lifting loops at the front of the turret, in order to actually lift the turret you'd need a third lifting loop at the rear of the turret, so I added it with the some wire. To preform maintenance on the guns you'd need to lift them out of the turret so I also added some lifting loops to the front of the guns with some wire. Continuing with the wire I added a handle to the rear hatch and camouflage loops to the sides of the turret and side skirts.

After adding all the camouflage loops I thought I should put them to use so I made some tree branches with Woodland Scenics foliage clusters that I tore up into small parts and then glued onto some seafoam trees. I've had the foliage clusters and seafoam trees for 20 years but this is my first time actually using either of them, I should have tried using them sooner as I'm quite happy with the results and now look forward to experimenting with them on future projects. 












I 3D printed a travel lock to hold the guns in place when the tank isn't in combat. This part took several days of iteration until I was happy, the first design was a simple ledge that's was fixed in place but it would get in the way of the turret as it rotates. The next version could fold down onto the top of the hull but this then blocked the crew hatches. The third and final design folds down on to the top of the hull but then folds again back into itself. I was was inspired by the travel lock on the Jagdtiger which uses a similar folding mechanism.




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Re: Flakpanther 5.5cm Zwilling
« Reply #17 on: March 03, 2025, 05:51:09 PM »
Looking good! :smiley:
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Re: Flakpanther 5.5cm Zwilling
« Reply #18 on: March 03, 2025, 06:13:13 PM »
Whipped that out quickly, nice work

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Re: Flakpanther 5.5cm Zwilling
« Reply #19 on: March 03, 2025, 10:44:42 PM »
Those are great extra parts. Nice work!

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Re: Flakpanther 5.5cm Zwilling
« Reply #20 on: March 04, 2025, 07:22:31 AM »
The German Flakpanzers are some generally interesting subjects, and the late war/paper projects are pretty neat, even if some of them weren't anywhere close to production. This looks like it will be a a pretty neat model at the end.

I never built a standard Panther as a Grav tank, though I did convert a Jagdpanther to that configuration awhile back. (And a Panther Schmalturm into a Walker...) I can post pics of both if you'd like.

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Re: Flakpanther 5.5cm Zwilling
« Reply #21 on: March 10, 2025, 02:23:26 AM »
This has turned out well . . .
I've looked for my Grav Tank model, not found it yet, but I'm sure it's here somewhere . . .

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Re: Flakpanther 5.5cm Zwilling
« Reply #22 on: March 10, 2025, 11:49:03 AM »
I've looked for my Grav Tank model, not found it yet, but I'm sure it's here somewhere . . .

Maybe its time to build a new one then :P