Author Topic: Scorpion (CVR(T)) family (and Scorpion turret users) - Ideas and Inspiration  (Read 50239 times)

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Of course, one might need to do something about the recoil - maybe a lower muzzle velocity plus a spade at the rear.
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Of course, one might need to do something about the recoil - maybe a lower muzzle velocity plus a spade at the rear.

Hmm... put the Scorpion's flatter powerpack in the Spartan's or Sultan's taller hull then mount the gun over it.  The Samson's spaces would go right on the back.
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Reposting: the son of Scorpion- Stormer hull, ROF 76mm L23A1 main gun, and a twin TOW missile launcher
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Repaircraft came out with some aftermarket upgrade options a long time ago with some interesting upgrade options

http://www.scorpiontank.co.uk/html/UpgradeMenu.html

I'd be excited to see a variant incorporating these upgrades and potentially others, such as the possibility of Hybrid Electric drive -- seeing the internal volume improvements the hybrid electric Thunderbolt 120mm demonstrator had over the already small original M8 AGS was pretty eye opening, not to mention range and silent-approach benefits.  With space already at a premium, something similar in the CVR(T) might allow for significant growth without having to switch to a larger platform like Stormer or FRES

Arm it with 40mm CTA, some compact turrets are coming out (See Panhard Sphinx) and with very little turret penetration of the breach, combined with possibly external ammunition feed from an armored box on the side of the turret to provide for some separation from ammunition and crew, and you might actually have more room inside.  A couple of Spike-LR on the other side of the turret, and you'd have a pretty useful bit of kit IMO!

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I wish they'd kept developing Swingfire with competetive warheads: it had a lot of potential.

Videogame artist impression of what a Sabre with addon Swingfire launchers might look like.
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Offline dy031101

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Another Scorpion tank re-armament proposal, this time for Malaysia with a 20mm cannon.

I don't know what that 20mm is supposed to be, but my guess is that it looks like an Oerlikon KAD.
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Another Scorpion tank re-armament proposal, this time for Malaysia with a 20mm cannon.

I don't know what that 20mm is supposed to be, but my guess is that it looks like an Oerlikon KAD.

Oerlikon KAA in an FVT900 turret (both taken from a dozen of the Malaysian Stormers). Malaysian Scorpions are also getting new transmissions and tracks.
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Oerlikon KAA in an FVT900 turret (both taken from a dozen of the Malaysian Stormers). Malaysian Scorpions are also getting new transmissions and tracks.

I see, but I actually think that the turret seems to still be the original Scorpion tank turret, just with the "new" autocannon going through the mantlet cutout for the original 90mm gun.

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Atachment #3 & #4: a more-developed version of the Jordanian Scorpion tank modification- with new sight purported to include thermal imager and laser rangefinder above the gun, roof-mounted remote-controlled machinegun making up for the loss of co-axial weapon, 4 x Kornet ATGMs, new engine, and other automotive upgrades.
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Re: Scorpion (CVR(T)) family - Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #84 on: January 18, 2019, 04:43:00 AM »
So, whiff ideas....

US Scorpion : what if the US armed forces had bought the CVR(T) series?

Light tanks : it's hard to see the US Army going for either the 76mm or the RARDEN, though the USMC might see the value in the 76mm (light fire-support). The probable US option, assuming a 1970s/early 1980s buy,  would be a 25mm Bushmaster I think. US requirements might also have lead to an early introduction of a stretched Stormer-style hull and that might have carried a Delco turret with a 25mm and 2 x TOW.

US Army Scimitars in a recon role. :-*
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Offline Spey Phantom

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here are some pictures i have from the (now retired) Belgian Army's Scorpion CVRT versions.
i took these pictures in 2013 during Wings & Wheels in nearby Ursel.















on the bench:
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I would love to buy a Spartan, a 1:1 scale one  ;)

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I would love to buy a Spartan, a 1:1 scale one  ;)

You can ...and for only £18,500 - £23,500 plus vat: https://tanks-alot.co.uk/product/fv103-cvrt-spartan/
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I would love to buy a Spartan, a 1:1 scale one  ;)

I think this might be more useful for a man with a family...   ;)
Hmm, we could even pack all the cats in for vacations.  Be a bit of a pain to park a lot of places, though; probably have to store it where others store RV's when not in use.  Wonder if they'd do an enclosed one for those who want an all-terrain RV?

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I've always thought that the Scorpion turret and the Fox turret look interchangeable......
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I would love to buy a Spartan, a 1:1 scale one  ;)

I think this might be more useful for a man with a family...   ;)
Hmm, we could even pack all the cats in for vacations.  Be a bit of a pain to park a lot of places, though; probably have to store it where others store RV's when not in use.  Wonder if they'd do an enclosed one for those who want an all-terrain RV?

Well, that one was created from a enclosed version, the Sultan ACV.   All they did was chop the top off and put in more seats.   If you want an enclosed RV,  I'd recommend either the Sultan or even better, the Stormer (which had an extra roadwheel on each side) which made it longer and roomier.  It also featured a more powerful diesel engine and uprated gearbox.


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Re: Scorpion (CVR(T)) family (and Scorpion turret users) - Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #92 on: September 14, 2021, 05:02:10 AM »
What if an 8 wheels Scorpion?


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Re: Scorpion (CVR(T)) family (and Scorpion turret users) - Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #93 on: September 14, 2021, 11:36:24 AM »
Neat idea, ysi! That inspires me to try my own crack at the concept.

I chose a smaller chassis, the YP-408, from closer to the time period of the CVR(T) family and scaled the turret to match, including a turret ring extension that considers the angled upper hull.



This would be a Dutch variant in place of the M113 C&V (also known as the Lynx or M113 ½). It would increase commonality with the Belgian and British armies and provide greater speed, strategic mobility, and firepower, albeit at the cost of greater size.

Also, I chose the Scimitar turret which I think is better fit and much better looking, but the Scorpion is still an option, too.



I'm calling it the YP-408 Pantserwiel Verkenning, abbreviated as YP-408 PWVK. I don't know about anybody else, but I like the looks of it more than the Bundeswehr's Spähpanzer Luchs of the same era.

Cheers,

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Re: Scorpion (CVR(T)) family (and Scorpion turret users) - Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #94 on: September 15, 2021, 05:09:04 AM »
I like your designs :smiley: :smiley:

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Re: Scorpion (CVR(T)) family (and Scorpion turret users) - Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #96 on: September 11, 2022, 03:45:19 AM »
What about a version with a fixed casement style gun?  Maybe somewhat akin to the ASU-85 though smaller?
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Re: Scorpion (CVR(T)) family (and Scorpion turret users) - Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #97 on: September 12, 2022, 03:17:11 AM »
Somewhere between an ASU-57 and ASU-85 in size?

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Re: Scorpion (CVR(T)) family (and Scorpion turret users) - Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #98 on: September 12, 2022, 07:04:21 PM »
What about a version with a fixed casement style gun?  Maybe somewhat akin to the ASU-85 though smaller?

Sound like the skills of ysi_maniac needed here 🤔😉

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Re: Scorpion (CVR(T)) family (and Scorpion turret users) - Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #99 on: September 13, 2022, 12:41:26 AM »
Somewhere between an ASU-57 and ASU-85 in size?

Yep
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