Author Topic: AVRO Lancaster, Manchester, Lincoln and Shackleton (and derivatives) Ideas and Inspiration  (Read 26342 times)

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Late one night a Lancaster and a B-17 got down and dirty...

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To fight the last war more effectively, and to control the airspace over the trenches, the Avro Avatar was developed. The four-gun turret below would be able to shoot down into the trenches as the four-gun turret above defended against enemy aircraft. The "Defiant" idea was also envisioned, whereas the Avatar would fly between enemy two bombers, raking them both broadside. Someone got the idea that such an Avatar, or especially a trio of them, could bank in a circle and spray bullets inward and downward---the first "gunship" was invented! When Britain was threatened by Sealion Invasion, the Invasion Defence Command (you can only see the "ID_", not the "C" of the special markings) commandeered every Avatar for strafing the beaches, including a New Zealander squadron (subject of the model).

For this ostensibly 1/72 aircraft, FROG's 1/96 Lancaster (actually two of them) formed the basis . Wellesley engine, B-24 ball turret, Halifax top turret, and other "subtle" modifications.




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Underpowered maybe.

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Speaking about FROG's 1/96 Lancaster, can any of you suggest me which engine can be/look if I scalorame one of those 1/96 nacelles to 1/72?
This is to say a 75% of a RR Merlin in each dimension.

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Speaking about FROG's 1/96 Lancaster, can any of you suggest me which engine can be/look if I scalorame one of those 1/96 nacelles to 1/72?
This is to say a 75% of a RR Merlin in each dimension.

Anything powered by a RR Kestral Carlos, which seems to be about .8 smaller than a Merlin

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>Underpowered maybe.<

No "maybe"--DEFINITELY!! But, "underpowered" only if trying to compete with fighter aircraft or fast bombers. This Avatar is a dowdy aircraft meant for "buzzard"-like cruising whilst raining down little .303 pellets of lead on hapless troops below. The only way it could be "Defiant-like" to rake a bomber formation would be diving from great height to gain the requisite speed (and indeed, in the more complete backstory, this happens).

BTW, ysi_maniac....I *THINK* I have the spare 1/96 "Merlins" from the Avatar build---are you interested?
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BTW, ysi_maniac....I *THINK* I have the spare 1/96 "Merlins" from the Avatar build---are you interested?
Thanks a lot for your offer. But I already have that 1/96 Lancaster.

Possible receptor of those Kestrels: 2 for a Westland whirlwind, 2 for DeHavilland Comet.
Afterwards, scaloramed Lancaster can be equipped with a pair of radials.
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In terms of external dimensions the Kestrel and Merlin series are actually pretty close, the big difference is in cubic
displacement and weight.

Kestrel(unsupercharged):
Length 66.72"; width 24.4"; height 39.4"; weight 840 lbs.
Displacement 1,296 cu in.

Kestrel(supercharged):
Length 69.82"; width 24.4"; height 37.53"; weight 950 - 970 lbs.
Displacement 1,296 cu in.

Merlin (single-speed supercharger):
Length 69"; width 29.8"; height 41.2"; weight 1,375 lbs.
Displacement 1,637 cu in.

Merlin (two-speed supercharger):
Length 71"; width 29.8"; height 43.0"; weight 1,450 lbs.
Displacement 1,637 cu in.

Merlin (two-speed, two-stage supercharger):
Length 88.7"; width 30.7"; height 40.0"; weight 1,550 - 1,750 lbs.
Displacement 1,637 cu in.

All figures are from British Piston Aero-engines and Their Aircraft by Alec Lumsden,
and reflect the basic dimensions of each family. The actual dimensions, particularly
length, varied by specific engine sub-type.
« Last Edit: June 13, 2012, 01:24:54 AM by jcf »
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I was picking dimensions off wikipedia Jon, and they were as follows

Kestral        Merlin      Size Difference (Kestral size divided by Merlin size)
L 74.61       L 88.7        .8 (roughly)
W 24.41     W 30.8       .79
H 35.63      H 40           .89

Which could be interpreted as being .8 smaller for the Kestral which is close to Carlos' 75% smaller engines (72 divided by 96)

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Hi Robert,
the Merlin dimensions on wikipedia are for the two-speed, two-stage supercharger family i.e. Merlin 60, Packard V-1650 and related types.

The Lancaster used Merlin XX-series engines in the two-speed supercharger Merlin family.
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Ted Taylor (Ted's Modelworks) has been building a 1/32nd scale model of Lancaster B.Mk.I 'S for Sugar' from a kit offered by Hachette Part works that is quite impressive.  The build so far is divided into part one and part two and I am impressed with the amount of detail crammed into this model that for all intents and purposes is built like the real aircraft.

Click on image to go to Ted's main page


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Were there any airliner derivative of Shackleton?