Author Topic: AVRO Lancaster, Manchester, Lincoln and Shackleton (and derivatives) Ideas and Inspiration  (Read 24242 times)

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Hi folks,

A thread dedicated to your AVRO Lancaster, Manchester and Lincoln (and derivatives - e.g. Shackleton) Ideas and Inspiration.

To start with, I am sure many of you have read/heard that the AVRO Manchester originally had provision catapult assisted takeoff.  But have you ever seen what this might have looked like?  Well look below:



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As I've mentioned elsewhere, a derivative of the Lincoln analogous to the Lancastrian derivative of the Lancaster.  For cargo-hauling or tanker ops, it'd be a nice move.  You could also add the "Tiger Force" saddle tanks if you needed yet more fuel storage capacity.

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Supposedly the AVRO Manchester was designed to be able to carry two 18 in (457 mm) torpedoes internally.  Has anyone seen a photo with this fit?

More importantly, how about an AVRO Manchester or better yet a Lancaster in Coastal Command garb in a low level torpedo run...
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I did a run of Manchesters in 08 & 11 including Coastal Command schemes, Highball bombers & gunships.

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To fight the last war more effectively, and to control the airspace over the trenches, the Avro Avatar was developed. The four-gun turret below would be able to shoot down into the trenches as the four-gun turret above defended against enemy aircraft. The "Defiant" idea was also envisioned, whereas the Avatar would fly between enemy two bombers, raking them both broadside. Someone got the idea that such an Avatar, or especially a trio of them, could bank in a circle and spray bullets inward and downward---the first "gunship" was invented! When Britain was threatened by Sealion Invasion, the Invasion Defence Command (you can only see the "ID_", not the "C" of the special markings) commandeered every Avatar for strafing the beaches, including a New Zealander squadron (subject of the model).

For this ostensibly 1/72 aircraft, FROG's 1/96 Lancaster (actually two of them) formed the basis . Wellesley engine, B-24 ball turret, Halifax top turret, and other "subtle" modifications.

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How about all the Manchesters get re-engined with better engines?  Maybe RR Rriffon or Bristol Centaurus or PW R2800...
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How about all the Manchesters get re-engined with better engines?  Maybe RR Rriffon or Bristol Centaurus or PW R2800...

I'm actually going a bit further ahead than that Greg, I'm thinking a Manchester with two RR Eagle 24 cylinder 'H' configuration engines, Lincoln outer wings and lengthen rear fuselage.  I've even got all the parts to do a 'Twin' Manchester version of it which will be started sometime this year (had something posted over on the other forum and I'm calling it an Avro Chadderton), this will have three engines and main gear though.

The idea it would be an alternative to the Avro Nottingham ---
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How about all the Manchesters get re-engined with better engines?  Maybe RR Rriffon or Bristol Centaurus or PW R2800...

Amongst the Manchesters I did, there were Centaurus and Sabre powered versions.

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Drawing A.1481 29 April 1937, 2 Hercules.


4 Hercules proposal from the same period.


Proposal for Centaurus engined Manchester II, one airframe had Centaurus installed by Bristol, but never flew.
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Great stuff Jon, thanks! I had no ideal that the Manchester II had actually been built.

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Great stuff Jon, thanks! I had no ideal that the Manchester II had actually been built.

kit': Love the Nottingham  :)

Wot he said...
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Just for argument's sake, how would the Manchester have looked and faired with two W3420's installed?  I'm thinking that they would've made a distinct difference (I can also see RR doing everything they could to prevent such).

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Avro Avatar - another cool concept and bash build - gets five smileys -  :) :) :) :) :)