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8x8 and more...
« on: February 27, 2012, 12:11:08 PM »
I figured I'd start this topic for vehicles with 4 or more axles and don't necessarily deserve their own thread.



http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/6871019805/#in/photostream



http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/6871012991/#in/photostream

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Re: 8x8 and more...
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2012, 03:41:52 PM »
That second one is interesting.  Any more info?
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Re: 8x8 and more...
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2012, 10:20:50 PM »
Sorry, no.  I just saw it browsing through the photos at the link.

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Re: 8x8 and more...
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2012, 12:51:06 AM »
 According to the caption, its a "Firebee drone"

Catalog #: 04_04173
Title : Teledyne Ryan UAV Drone RPV Firebee
Date: 1950-1989
Corporation Name : Ryan Aeronautical, Teledyne Ryan
Location: Ryan Envelopes
Additional Information: From Northrop Grumman Donation
Tags: Teledyne, Ryan, UAV, Drone, RPV, Firebee, 1950-1989
Repository: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive


 I thought the Firebees were more, I dunno, snarky-looking-this looks like a cousin of the ACLM...

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Re: 8x8 and more...
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2012, 01:07:17 AM »
Yeah, but most of the things in the Teledyne Ryan section are captioned that and most of them are certainly not!  I think it's safe to say that caption is unreliable in this case.

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Re: 8x8 and more...
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2012, 02:32:49 AM »
It is Teledyne Ryan's Model 324 Scarab UAV - it was custom-designed in response to Egyptian Air Force requirements.



Here's some more info including on the Model 324 Launch Recovery Vehicle:  http://www.fas.org/irp/program/collect/M324-System-Desc.pdf
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Re: 8x8 and more...
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2012, 02:44:51 AM »
Getting back on topic - some interesting vehicles here:  http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/233317565/Bonai_8x8_amphibious_dune_buggy.html
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Re: 8x8 and more...
« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2012, 05:02:34 AM »
"...and more... " --- the Rolligon Khan - a 14x14, 60-ton jumbo ATV :)
http://s4.e-monsite.com/2011/08/30/67134866rolligon-14x14-khan-pdf.pdf

BTW, the 324 Scarab LRV was done by Standard Manufacturing Co. Same guys that did the better-known 8x8 DARPA ALV (Autonomous Land Vehicle) and, on a smaller 8x8 scale, the Vulcan-armed Excalibur 'dune buggy'.

Teledyne Ryan Aeronautical Nov/Dec 1987

"The [Model 324 Tactical Reconnaissance RPV] system's Launch and Recovery Vehicle - an eight-wheel all-drive tractor with a six-wheel, self-drive trailer - integrates all mission support functions. A crew of three can provide all requirements. The basic mover was developed by Standard Manufacturing Company.

The LRV's features include maximum speeds of up to 52 MPH (84 KPH) over a range of up to
six hours. The system was designed for mission flexibility with operational use from forward areas and unprepared sites. It can be transported by air or over land with its air vehicle intact."

It's a cool-looking vehicle but I'm surprised that the Egyptians didn't spec a Tatra-based LRV.
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Re: 8x8 and more...
« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2012, 05:06:32 AM »
Here's some shots of the Tatra 8x8 Kolos going through it's paces:












The word "Imposing" doesn't quite cover these big brutes
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Re: 8x8 and more...
« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2012, 05:12:43 AM »
The Tatra 8x8 derived Dana SPG:



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« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2012, 05:24:03 AM »
Great selection 'north. Here's the underpinnings ...
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Re: 8x8 and more...
« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2012, 06:17:27 AM »
BTW, the 324 Scarab LRV was done by Standard Manufacturing Co. Same guys that did the better-known 8x8 DARPA ALV (Autonomous Land Vehicle) and, on a smaller 8x8 scale, the Vulcan-armed Excalibur 'dune buggy'.




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Re: 8x8 and more...
« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2012, 06:54:25 AM »
This seems to be a neat new 8x8.

SYHK Turkish Mobile Floating Assault Bridge.



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Re: 8x8 and more...
« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2012, 08:06:35 AM »
WOW. Severely cool looking 8 wheelers.
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Re: 8x8 and more...
« Reply #15 on: February 28, 2012, 09:47:31 AM »
That Twister is pretty cool looking with lots of potential for other variants, too.

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Re: 8x8 and more...
« Reply #16 on: February 28, 2012, 04:07:56 PM »
BTW, the 324 Scarab LRV was done by Standard Manufacturing Co. Same guys that did the better-known 8x8 DARPA ALV (Autonomous Land Vehicle) and, on a smaller 8x8 scale, the Vulcan-armed Excalibur 'dune buggy'.




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Re: 8x8 and more...
« Reply #17 on: February 28, 2012, 04:08:20 PM »
A Twister kit would be great too.
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Re: 8x8 and more...
« Reply #18 on: February 29, 2012, 03:43:43 AM »
 Here's a longer page on the Twister, which includes a set of plan views. ( Seen from overhead, it
 becomes apparent this is one weird bus...)

 http://www.amphibiousvehicle.net/amphi/L/twisterspecial/twister.html

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Re: 8x8 and more...
« Reply #19 on: February 29, 2012, 05:06:25 AM »
I so want one of those dune buggies with the Vulcan!!!!

Hmmm....wonder what a tracked version would look like?  Wonder what it would look like with USMC on the side?!  Mobile AA defense for a beach landing! 8) 
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Re: 8x8 and more...
« Reply #20 on: March 03, 2012, 09:38:18 PM »
Here's the Austrian developed Pandur II vehicle currently being taken on by the Czech army:






And an 8x8 APC from Iveco:
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Re: 8x8 and more...
« Reply #21 on: March 03, 2012, 09:44:18 PM »
A bit more of the Dana SPG:





And a rocket launcher also based off the Tatra 8x8 chassis:
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Re: 8x8 and more...
« Reply #22 on: March 04, 2012, 02:41:30 AM »
One I am surprised Jon didn't include in his post:



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Re: 8x8 and more...
« Reply #23 on: March 04, 2012, 02:43:47 AM »
Turkish designed 8x8 Pars APC:

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Re: 8x8 and more...
« Reply #24 on: March 04, 2012, 02:47:12 AM »
There is also the Panhard EBR...soon to be released as a new model kit!


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Re: 8x8 and more...
« Reply #25 on: March 04, 2012, 02:54:28 AM »
Let's not forget those classic German 8x8 vehicles of WWII:



Or their more modern equivalent:

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Re: 8x8 and more...
« Reply #26 on: March 04, 2012, 07:15:37 AM »
Turkish designed 8x8 Pars APC:




That looks suspiciously like the range GMC were designing ....
4x4 Commander , 6x6 Captain , 8x8 Colonel & 10x10 General (all were fully amphibious) ...
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Re: 8x8 and more...
« Reply #27 on: March 04, 2012, 09:06:31 PM »
That T-55 "Cook Interceptor" has a lot of potential as a US WWII tank destroyer. I'm guessing a couple of 2 1/2 ton trucks would need to be sacrificed for the running gear? Definitely gets the old wheels in the brain housing group turning...

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Re: 8x8 and more...
« Reply #28 on: March 06, 2012, 12:38:20 AM »
That T-55 "Cook Interceptor" has a lot of potential as a US WWII tank destroyer.
Or as a infantry carrier: replace gun with fully armoured infantry comparment, give it side doors, and Greyhound turrent, and you have modern-style wheeled AFV.

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Re: 8x8 and more...
« Reply #29 on: March 07, 2012, 11:44:03 AM »
That looks suspiciously like the range GMC were designing ....
4x4 Commander , 6x6 Captain , 8x8 Colonel & 10x10 General (all were fully amphibious) ...

One and the same. GPV (formerly General Purpose Vehicles LLC) sold its 8x8 Captain design (longer than the 6x6 Captain but shorter than the 8x8 Colonel) to FNSS. That Turkish company had/has US connections. The origin name was FMC-Nurol, being a joint venture between FMC (which became United Defense, US Combat Systems, and then BAE) and the Turkish Nurol Group of Companies.
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Re: 8x8 and more...
« Reply #30 on: March 07, 2012, 08:27:56 PM »
That looks suspiciously like the range GMC were designing ....
4x4 Commander , 6x6 Captain , 8x8 Colonel & 10x10 General (all were fully amphibious) ...

They didn't really think that set of names through, did they?

"Well I'm just going to get into my Colonel now.."

"Help, my General's upside down in a ditch!"

"Can you fill my Captain up please?"

"My Commander needs a new spare tire."


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Re: 8x8 and more...
« Reply #31 on: March 08, 2012, 02:26:45 AM »
Oh dear..
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Re: 8x8 and more...
« Reply #32 on: April 05, 2012, 12:48:50 PM »


The Teracuriser was originally to tow/launch the Mace missile -- a great kit for building as intended or whiffing -- The Terror-Cruiser !!       ideas ??

It was also used as a transporter at U.S. Antarctic bases.
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At the bottom of this page are a few photos of the Teracruiser Dump-truck (a civilian conversion) used in construction in the Netherlands ...
http://www.mace-b.com/38TMW/Missiles/MM-1.htm
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Re: 8x8 and more...
« Reply #33 on: April 29, 2012, 07:12:58 PM »
Here's a couple of former Czech military 8x8 machines I photographed yesterday at a museum in Vyskov, which is a bit north east of Brno.

VAZ-135 MTZ transport vehicle:



VAZ-135 SPU launch vehicle:



Both variants were part of the Tupolev VR-3 Rejs UAV system:
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Re: 8x8 and more...
« Reply #34 on: May 04, 2012, 10:24:22 AM »
8x8 or 2x4x4?



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Re: 8x8 and more...
« Reply #35 on: May 04, 2012, 10:25:24 AM »
12x56



Spot the M113?

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Re: 8x8 and more...
« Reply #36 on: May 04, 2012, 04:11:48 PM »
Wow!  What is it?
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Re: 8x8 and more...
« Reply #37 on: May 04, 2012, 04:51:41 PM »
The US Army's LeTourneau TC-497 Overland Train Mark II of Project OTTER [Overland Train Terrain Evaluation Research] in 1962. The idea was to provide cross country logistics but was replaced by heavy lift helicopters.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overland_train

Inspired the sci-fi Amtrak Wars Wagon Train.

http://amtrakwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wagon-train

So a full combat land battleship/overland armoured train would be an interesting Whif...

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Re: 8x8 and more...
« Reply #38 on: May 05, 2012, 02:35:36 AM »
So a full combat land battleship/overland armoured train would be an interesting Whif...

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Re: 8x8 and more...
« Reply #39 on: May 05, 2012, 09:57:03 AM »
more Le Torneaus ...

first one .... "Honest, officer.  They told me to just follow the guy in front !!"

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Re: 8x8 and more...
« Reply #40 on: May 05, 2012, 09:58:44 AM »
result of a level-crossing accident ...

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« Reply #41 on: May 05, 2012, 10:29:19 AM »
result of a level-crossing accident ...
Your last attachment just screams to have a steam locomotive instead of the diesel-electric rig that is in the image. 
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Re: 8x8 and more...
« Reply #42 on: May 05, 2012, 11:04:36 AM »
more Le Torneaus ...

first one .... "Honest, officer.  They told me to just follow the guy in front !!"

"Quick!  Circle the Waggons!  They're attackin'!"

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Re: 8x8 and more...
« Reply #43 on: October 23, 2016, 04:30:25 AM »
Random idea:  Spähpanzer Luchs (see below) but with either a bigger gun (75mm or 90mm?) or ATGM.



Maybe end up with something akin to a modern equivalent of the SdKfz 234/2 Puma:

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« Reply #44 on: October 23, 2016, 05:51:16 AM »
That looks suspiciously like the range GMC were designing ....
4x4 Commander , 6x6 Captain , 8x8 Colonel & 10x10 General (all were fully amphibious) ...

One and the same. GPV (formerly General Purpose Vehicles LLC) sold its 8x8 Captain design (longer than the 6x6 Captain but shorter than the 8x8 Colonel) to FNSS. That Turkish company had/has US connections. The origin name was FMC-Nurol, being a joint venture between FMC (which became United Defense, US Combat Systems, and then BAE) and the Turkish Nurol Group of Companies.

Attached are the seating arrangements of the GPV Captain (top) and the GPV Colonel (bottom).

Which brings me one question- what role would the GPV Colonel be suitable for?
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« Reply #45 on: October 23, 2016, 02:02:36 PM »
"This is the Captain. We have a little problem with our engine sequence, so we may experience some slight turbulence and, ah, explode."

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Re: 8x8 and more...
« Reply #46 on: October 23, 2016, 07:45:15 PM »
Random idea:  Spähpanzer Luchs (see below) but with either a bigger gun (75mm or 90mm?) or ATGM.



Maybe end up with something akin to a modern equivalent of the SdKfz 234/2 Puma:



Ah huh, a simple option would be an export module with the M-3 Bradley turret including TOW, although I think a 60mm HVMS turret would look cool.  Another option could be the 76mm Otomelara.

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Re: 8x8 and more...
« Reply #47 on: October 26, 2016, 01:12:22 PM »
Not quite what Greg was asking for but here is an SPz 2 with a slightly larger gun ...

http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=351.msg116851#msg116851
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« Reply #48 on: October 26, 2016, 03:09:30 PM »
A Cadillac-Gage 90mm (either Mecar or Cockerill) might fit the Luchs, although I haven't checked the turret ring diameters. ???
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« Reply #49 on: October 26, 2016, 07:55:04 PM »


Hypothetical 35mm armed Luchs

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Re: 8x8 and more...
« Reply #50 on: October 27, 2016, 01:58:52 AM »
Any more details?
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« Reply #51 on: October 27, 2016, 10:37:12 AM »
Any more details?


Nope.  It appears the turret was developted:



The GDD-B turret.

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Re: 8x8 and more...
« Reply #52 on: October 28, 2016, 02:55:11 AM »
It would be interesting to see a Luchs with a dedicated ATGM turret (conceptually akin to a M1134 Turret or VAB Mephisto arrangement - see below):



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« Reply #53 on: October 28, 2016, 03:33:29 AM »
Hypothetical 35mm armed Luchs

Good find :)  I wonder, was that the same Oerlikon-Bührle GDD-BOE turret fitted to the Mowag Shark?
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Re: 8x8 and more...
« Reply #54 on: October 28, 2016, 04:36:35 AM »
It would be interesting to see a Luchs with a dedicated ATGM turret.....

Doesn't the Luchs lack the space to carry reserve missiles though?
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« Reply #55 on: October 28, 2016, 12:14:21 PM »
Hypothetical 35mm armed Luchs

Good find :)  I wonder, was that the same Oerlikon-Bührle GDD-BOE turret fitted to the Mowag Shark?

No idea.  Do you have a picture of the Shark?   I wouldn't surprised as Mowag appears to have mounted multiple different turrets on their vehicles.

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Re: 8x8 and more...
« Reply #56 on: March 09, 2017, 01:12:10 PM »


Brazilian "Octopus" 8x8 truck prototype which appears to have been abandoned early on.  Featured "computerised" control of the drive to the wheels.

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Re: 8x8 and more...
« Reply #57 on: December 27, 2017, 03:29:05 AM »
Japanese Type 16:



No kits available that I am aware of though definitely cool looking.
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Re: 8x8 and more...
« Reply #58 on: December 27, 2017, 09:47:27 AM »
There is a Japanese 1/72 model.  Nitto?  Fujimi?  Can't remember which one...

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Re: 8x8 and more...
« Reply #59 on: December 27, 2017, 09:53:15 AM »
Type 16 otta get around fine long as mud/snow aint too boggy/deep.

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Re: 8x8 and more...
« Reply #60 on: January 06, 2018, 06:01:04 AM »
There is a Japanese 1/72 model.  Nitto?  Fujimi?  Can't remember which one...

Can’t be Nitto, they ceased production ~ 1990.

Aoshima has a 1/72 kit of the prototype.
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« Reply #61 on: January 06, 2018, 08:57:06 AM »
There is a Japanese 1/72 model.  Nitto?  Fujimi?  Can't remember which one...

Can’t be Nitto, they ceased production ~ 1990.

Aoshima has a 1/72 kit of the prototype.
https://hlj.com/product/AOS01017

I wasn't aware that Nitto had ceased production.   However, that is the one I was thinking of.  Apparently the JSDF aren't happy with this vehicle and are already thinking about replacing it with an electric powered one, based on a 6x6 prototype they're playing with.

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Re: 8x8 and more...
« Reply #62 on: January 11, 2018, 07:35:08 AM »
If anyone is interested, Nitto-Kagaku went bankrupt back in 1988. Afterwards, Fujimi re-issued most of Nitto's 1/76 scale vehicles ... but no 8x8s AFAIK. See Fujimi/Nitto 1/76 kit list here: http://henk.fox3000.com/Fujimi.htm
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Re: 8x8 and more...
« Reply #63 on: April 10, 2018, 09:08:21 AM »
Model of Mitsubishi version of the MCV:


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Re: 8x8 and more...
« Reply #64 on: April 11, 2018, 01:35:15 AM »
Boy does that lend itself to half track conversion... ;)
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Re: 8x8 and more...
« Reply #65 on: May 03, 2018, 11:25:38 AM »
Re-post from the tank destroyer thread due to the vehicle being an 8x8.  Bismarck, one of the three Rooikat proposals.  42 tons, Olifant turret (and later possibly TTD turret).



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Re: 8x8 and more...
« Reply #66 on: May 18, 2018, 02:21:20 AM »
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« Reply #67 on: May 25, 2018, 01:39:14 AM »
Great shot! Is that the Cockerill 3030/40? (Looks too big to be an ATK 30mm.)
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« Reply #68 on: May 25, 2018, 02:11:57 AM »
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Re: 8x8 and more...
« Reply #69 on: June 03, 2018, 11:14:45 AM »
It would be interesting to see a Luchs with a dedicated ATGM turret......


Recently I came across this.

I like the idea of a quad TOW or Hellfire launcher (since I don't know if there is actually space within the Luchs for a meaningful missile reload, 'might as well carry as many missiles at ready as possible); the RIwP carries two but is armed with a co-axial machinegun, offering some degree of protection against, say, enemy infantry at close range.

For systems that are available earlier, maybe ZT3 Ingwe triple launcher or UTM-800 HOT turret......
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Re: 8x8 and more...
« Reply #70 on: June 04, 2018, 01:05:26 AM »
Maybe also something such as MGM-166 LOSAT, though maybe not this version:



Maybe something more akin to this:

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Re: 8x8 and more...
« Reply #71 on: June 04, 2018, 01:31:35 AM »
Speaking of which:

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« Reply #72 on: June 04, 2018, 08:39:19 AM »
That's one BIG box of badness, that is! :icon_surprised:
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Re: 8x8 and more...
« Reply #73 on: June 04, 2018, 12:37:36 PM »
There is also the Panhard EBR...soon to be released as a new model kit!


Would the 105mm GIAT G1 gun (used by the SK-105 and allegedly AMX-13 105 refurbishment) be within Panhard EBR's handling limit, or would the 90mm GIAT F3/F4 or Cockerill Mk. 8 gun be a better bet?

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Re: 8x8 and more...
« Reply #74 on: June 06, 2018, 12:24:32 PM »
Top and Middle: French-designed VBCI "UAE Configuration", with the turret of BMP-3 (contract is instead won by a variant of the Turkish ARMA).

Bottom: The spiritual predecessor (Patria AMV lengthened in the middle [?] to accommodate the BMP-3 turret while maintaining the number of dismounts)
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