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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #225 on: December 25, 2018, 07:06:55 AM »
Here is some info:  https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,143.15.html

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #226 on: December 25, 2018, 07:37:51 AM »
It s mentioned in Tommy’s book:



Though not much detail
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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #227 on: December 25, 2018, 07:46:25 AM »
Well that was quite interesting, it turns out not to be a Unicraft kit after all.  And next time someone makes a comment about ridiculous load-outs people put on their models, I think I'll just post these pics ---    ;D ;D ;D

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #228 on: December 25, 2018, 08:02:14 AM »
There is also a mention with more information in Tony’s book:

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #229 on: December 25, 2018, 10:10:57 PM »
That's been one book I have on my shopping list for a while, got the 'Fighters" one though.

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #230 on: December 30, 2019, 11:39:50 PM »
What if Spanish Republic remains in western block after winning SCW. Then, Spain is involved in Korean War.

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #231 on: April 11, 2020, 06:45:01 PM »
This turned up in my facebook feed today.  THought it might be of interest on here



Please tell me decals of this variant are available.  That has to be done.
Spotted this set while surfing ebay last night
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/SHEET-OF-OLD-RAAF-MODEL-DECALS/353023061660?hash=item5231d06e9c:g:LBAAAOSw9htefLFl


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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #232 on: April 12, 2020, 01:53:49 AM »
Very interesting.  What was the story behind it?
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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #233 on: April 12, 2020, 03:52:40 AM »
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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #234 on: April 12, 2020, 04:20:31 AM »
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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #235 on: April 12, 2020, 05:02:23 PM »
Very interesting.  What was the story behind it?

Can't find the link now, but there was another link attached that showed the photoshopping. 

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #236 on: April 14, 2020, 10:04:08 AM »

Please tell me decals of this variant are available.  That has to be done.
Spotted this set while surfing ebay last night
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/SHEET-OF-OLD-RAAF-MODEL-DECALS/353023061660?hash=item5231d06e9c:g:LBAAAOSw9htefLFl
Could one of you gents in OZ purchase this one for me and send it on?  Cost of item and cost of shipping would be reimbursed.  It appears that this seller does not ship internationally and I do want that decal set; depending on the size of the roundels, I've some projects they would go well with.

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #237 on: April 15, 2020, 03:18:18 AM »
Could one of you gents in OZ purchase this one for me and send it on?  Cost of item and cost of shipping would be reimbursed.  It appears that this seller does not ship internationally and I do want that decal set; depending on the size of the roundels, I've some projects they would go well with.

Got it for you.  Will mail it to you once I have it in custody.
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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #238 on: April 15, 2020, 10:30:42 AM »
Could one of you gents in OZ purchase this one for me and send it on?  Cost of item and cost of shipping would be reimbursed.  It appears that this seller does not ship internationally and I do want that decal set; depending on the size of the roundels, I've some projects they would go well with.

Got it for you.  Will mail it to you once I have it in custody.
Thank you, sir.  Please let me know what the final cost is after you mail it.  Depending on how large these roundels are, I could see a couple different projects using them. 

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #239 on: May 09, 2020, 06:25:20 AM »
Posted this to the "awesome images" thread, but thought it might fit in here as well.
F-86 with an IFR probe?  :icon_surprised: That's a new one to me.



Saw this on another website. Looking for additional information, I came across the source (LINK!) of the image, along with the following caption:
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An Australian fighter pilot, O221357 Pilot Officer David N Rogers, stands in front of a Sabre aircraft of 79 Squadron, RAAF at the Royal Thai Air Force (RTAF) base at Ubon. The 'modified' air-to-air refuelling probe, tied to the Sabre's landing gear, was an inspired joke. RAAF pilots had long aspired to an aerial refuelling capability since at least 1958 and it was not to be realised until 1990. Australia committed these aircraft to the defence of Thailand from 1962 to 1968. Thailand, also a SEATO member country, was experiencing a critical threat from military insurgency backed by communist forces in neighbouring countries.

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #240 on: May 09, 2020, 06:31:56 AM »
Source the IFR probe from your spare F-100 Super Sabre and A-4 Skyhawk spare parts? 

Where on the wing would the IFR probe be attached?  Zooming in on the image shows that it is not attached to the aircraft. 
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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #241 on: May 09, 2020, 07:49:20 AM »
I can think of three possible locations, half way between the MLG wells and the pylon or forward of the MLG bay, half way between the front spar and the spar forming the front of the MLG bay and half way between the fuselage the rib forming the outboard end of the MLG bay, or, following the Skyhawk's approach, on the leading edge just outboard of the fuselage.

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #242 on: May 09, 2020, 10:36:18 PM »
Why not right where they put it on the FJ-3

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #243 on: May 10, 2020, 01:00:34 AM »
I think that pretty much matches one of my suggestions.  Still, 'twould be a lot easier of the basic design information were available to modify existing aircraft.

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #244 on: May 10, 2020, 02:23:26 AM »
Source the IFR probe from your spare F-100 Super Sabre and A-4 Skyhawk spare parts? 

Where on the wing would the IFR probe be attached?  Zooming in on the image shows that it is not attached to the aircraft.

The story of the refuelling probe from the pilot in the picture is here (start page 60) - it was actuallyfrom a F-100:  "...AAR probe off an F-100 Super Sabre... We ‘borrowed’ the AAR probe and bought it down to our lines. The CO 79SQN at the time had a cynical sense of humour so I outlined a ‘plan’ to fix one of our aircraft with an AAR mod, take a photo of it and send it back to Butterworth saying we had installed a modification on the fuel system to enable us to do some AAR trials with the USAF. We tied the rear end of the probe to the port undercarriage leg with a heavy rope over the Sidewinder rail to hold the probe in the horizontal position, then I stood in front to hide it..."
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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #245 on: May 10, 2020, 02:29:11 AM »
Fury refuelling probe shown well here:

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #246 on: May 10, 2020, 10:09:31 AM »
The easiest answer to IFR in the late 50s / early 60s would have been to get CAC to build FJ-4s with Avons and ADENs  ;).

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #247 on: May 10, 2020, 05:37:20 PM »
This is interesting...the CA-28 Sabre Dingo's in my Alternative ADF ORBAT would need flight refuelling, to keep aloft.....

Wasn't there a an arrangement employed by the USN for some of their early jet's which had the prob coming straight out of a drop tank?? If so, this arrangement might eliminate the need of fixing and plumbing a prob on the aircraft itself. How the internals of the prob/drop tank arrangement works, I have no idea....
I guess another question in relation to the FRP on the Sabre, would be how long was the continuous flight time of the Sabre - ie it's engine in terms of POL's??
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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #248 on: May 10, 2020, 11:48:25 PM »
IIRC early F-84 planks had an AAR probe to either the tip tank or under wing one - I don't remember which

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #249 on: May 11, 2020, 02:03:49 AM »
The early F2H Banshees was also fitted with an IFR probe that required replacement of one of the 20mm cannons with the plumbing for the probe.  Maybe something like that could be applied to the Sabre?
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