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Re: North American B-25 (PBJ) and F-10 Mitchell Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #25 on: February 19, 2012, 05:53:05 AM »
Or Klimov powerplants for the Lend Lease versions.
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Re: North American B-25 (PBJ) and F-10 Mitchell Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #26 on: February 19, 2012, 06:10:29 AM »
Or Klimov powerplants for the Lend Lease versions.

Yep, that would work.
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Re: North American B-25 (PBJ) and F-10 Mitchell Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #27 on: February 19, 2012, 07:23:55 AM »
My first Mitchell profile was a Coastal Command variant with cannon nose & Griffon engines.

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Re: North American B-25 (PBJ) and F-10 Mitchell Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #28 on: March 25, 2012, 05:45:26 AM »


B-25 bomber final assembly line at North American Aviation works, Inglewood, Calif."



B-25 bombers on the outdoor assembly line at North American Aviation, almost ready for their first test flight. Kansas City, Kansas.

Both from 1942 and Kodachrome transparency by Alfred Palmer.
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Re: North American B-25 (PBJ) and F-10 Mitchell Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #29 on: March 25, 2012, 06:24:56 AM »


B-25 bomber assembly hall, North American Aviation, Kansas City - 1942 Kodachrome transparency by Alfred Palmer
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Re: North American B-25 (PBJ) and F-10 Mitchell Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #30 on: March 25, 2012, 06:51:26 AM »
um!, all the photos are white squares with red crosses Greg

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Re: North American B-25 (PBJ) and F-10 Mitchell Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #31 on: March 25, 2012, 09:53:30 AM »
Take the floats off of this and add them to a PBJ-1J!

Time to stop thinking United States Navy and start thinking Playstation 2- strap a torpedo or two on it, add nightfighting aid, and launch it (or a multiple of it) off the back of a seaplane cruiser, and boom!  There goes the night for the Yamato and Musashi crew.
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Re: North American B-25 (PBJ) and F-10 Mitchell Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #32 on: March 25, 2012, 10:17:57 AM »
The Shorpy site won't link, and it's all from the Library of Congress site anyhow:
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/search/?va=all&co=fsac&sp=1&st=grid&q=Alfred+Palmer+north+american&fi=all&sg=false&op=AND


North American B-25 bomber is prepared for painting on the outside assembly line, North American Aviation, Inc., Inglewood, Calif.

The Palmer colour photos from the Farm Security Administration/Office of War Information Color Photographs collection:
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/search/?q=Alfred+Palmer+&sp=1&sb=&st=grid&co=fsac&sg=false&fi=all&op=AND&va=all&c=

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Re: North American B-25 (PBJ) and F-10 Mitchell Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #33 on: March 25, 2012, 03:32:02 PM »
Doh!!!  The problem with hot linking - sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't.... :-X
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Re: North American B-25 (PBJ) and F-10 Mitchell Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #34 on: March 25, 2012, 04:02:18 PM »
Looking #24 with inlines.  I'm thinking you have one heck of quick B-25 by using a P-3 Orion 4000+ hp turbo prop on each wing.  More than four times the horse power of WW2.  Out climb the F8F?  zoom-zoom  ;)

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Re: North American B-25 (PBJ) and F-10 Mitchell Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #35 on: March 26, 2012, 12:08:08 AM »
North American Aviation had a surplus store/yard next to LAX (long since gone) - they had everything from fasteners to plexiglass panels and canopies to an engine-less jet for sale. I know they had some P-51 parts as well as some B-25 parts  for sale. This was in the late 70's/early 80s.

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Re: North American B-25 (PBJ) and F-10 Mitchell Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #36 on: March 26, 2012, 03:05:02 AM »
Looking #24 with inlines.  I'm thinking you have one heck of quick B-25 by using a P-3 Orion 4000+ hp turbo prop on each wing.  More than four times the horse power of WW2.  Out climb the F8F?  zoom-zoom  ;)
A P-3 style T56 installation on each side would likely take a complete re-stressing of the wing and fuselage to deal with it but it's not immediately impossible.  This installation would work with the main landing gear bay in the nacelle.  Frankly, I wonder how a more modest upgrade, with R3350s, would work.  More specifically, fitting the B-25 with the engines and cowlings from a pair of Skyraiders.
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Re: North American B-25 (PBJ) and F-10 Mitchell Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #37 on: March 26, 2012, 05:00:24 AM »
Having flown in both B-25 and P2 I can relate to B-25 and 3350.  Be a mover with the 3350s.  And more so with T-56.
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Re: North American B-25 (PBJ) and F-10 Mitchell Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #38 on: October 17, 2012, 02:45:23 AM »
By the way, there was no real B-25 prototype (XB-25/YB-25, etc).  They just started at B-25.  That's a bit of trivia most people don't know about the way US designations used to work.  They didn't start at -A; they started at sans suffix.  The B-25A was actually the 2nd model built or, if you'd rather, the first variant (which is really what the letters noted).  For all practical purposes, the first production models are generally -A models, since they're a variant of the XB-## prototype or YP-## pre-production aircraft.  This was eventually changed for a number of reasons, not least of which being that 'B-25' in this instance can refer to the specific model that were those initial 24 aircraft were constructed as or it can refer to the whole family.  It's ambiguous, but it's used correctly in either case.

Also, there wasn't anything inherently wrong with the first B-25s as aircraft.  As bombers, however, they did suffer from a lack of stability.  Since they also lacked armor and self-sealing fuel tanks, they were unsuitable as combat aircraft.  Instead, they were used as training aircraft.  I've read that the first Soviet pilots trained on the B-25 in the US were trained on the initial production models with full-span dihedral, no armor, etc.  They had been initially trained as fighter pilots in the VVS and--to their immense delight--those initial B-25s handled quite like large fighters.  There were a lot of issues with Soviet pilots tossing the planes around the sky in ways no one ever intended.  They'd land with rivets in the tail missing and tail gunners with cracked ribs.  In one case, US fighter pilots were teaching them evasion techniques as they flew P-43s against them in mock combat.  The Soviet fighter pilots in B-25s were nonplussed and quickly got on the tails of their would-be pursuers, even forcing a P-43 into the ground in low level air-to-air combat!

That should give you some idea of just how "hot" of an airplane those initial B-25s were!



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Re: North American B-25 (PBJ) and F-10 Mitchell Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #39 on: October 17, 2012, 06:32:30 AM »
Cool!

Now how many "XB-25" variants can we come up with here?   ;D
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Re: North American B-25 (PBJ) and F-10 Mitchell Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #40 on: October 18, 2012, 10:47:19 PM »
Cool!

Now how many "XB-25" variants can we come up with here?   ;D

I've long been thinking about one with a single tail...

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« Reply #41 on: October 18, 2012, 11:32:32 PM »
Cool!

Now how many "XB-25" variants can we come up with here?   ;D


I've long been thinking about one with a single tail...


Was done in the real world 

http://www.anigrand.com/AA2068_XB-28.htm

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Re: North American B-25 (PBJ) and F-10 Mitchell Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #42 on: October 19, 2012, 01:39:40 AM »
Bigger wing.

How about 4 engines?

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Re: North American B-25 (PBJ) and F-10 Mitchell Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #43 on: October 19, 2012, 02:35:55 AM »
How about 4 engines?


Like the very first post in this thread perhaps? ;)
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« Reply #44 on: October 19, 2012, 02:40:52 AM »
It could also be a good candidate for a turbo-prop, along the lines of my Sunderland project using Dart engines

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Re: North American B-25 (PBJ) and F-10 Mitchell Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #45 on: October 19, 2012, 02:41:13 AM »
I always thought the NA-40 was considered, if not the prototype of the B-25, the closest thing to it:


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Re: North American B-25 (PBJ) and F-10 Mitchell Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #46 on: October 19, 2012, 04:28:13 AM »
I'll agree, it's the closest thing to it, but it's far from a true prototype.  I doubt there was a single panel or structure that was the same between the two!

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« Reply #47 on: October 19, 2012, 05:18:40 AM »
How about 4 engines?


Like the very first post in this thread perhaps? ;)

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Re: North American B-25 (PBJ) and F-10 Mitchell Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #48 on: September 14, 2013, 12:20:06 AM »
So, I was looking at this picture today and I realize that from this angle, the B-25 could be a twin boom design.



Tophe, have you already tried this modification to the B-25?

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Re: North American B-25 (PBJ) and F-10 Mitchell Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #49 on: September 15, 2013, 12:17:53 AM »
Would the tail gunner be at the aft end of the fuselage pod or in a separate pod, all by his lonesome, in the middle of the horizontal stabilizer between the booms?