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M-103A3 in the 2nd Korean War
« on: April 03, 2018, 10:36:41 AM »
It's late 1968. The height of the Cold War.

The US is also up to its armpits in a hot war in Vietnam. The previous winter, the Tet Offensive had shaken the resolve of the American public and the military heirarchy were determined not to let the war get away from them. Yet, later in 1967, the Arab-Israeli War had not gone as well as expected for the Israelis. Their surpirse spoiling attack against the Arabs had been picked up by the radar of a Soviet cruiser transiting the Eastern Med by chance. The Israeli air attacks had been only partially successful requiring the Israelis to slog it out on three fronts before eventually bringing Egypt and Syria to their knees while the UN forced a ceasefire. The three months of fighting had seriously depleted the forces of all sides and the United States moved quickly to shore up it's key Eastern Mediterranean ally. Stripping M60 and M48 tanks from anywhere they could be had, the Army brass knew they couldn't replace all the tanks in their own units with M60s in the near term. Tanks had to be brought out of mothballs, refurbished and put into service to maintain the deterrant in Europe while also fighting the war in Vietnam.

US Marines had decided in 1965 that the heavy M103 wasn't suited to Vietnam and had stored all of their heavy tanks for the duration. The situation in Israel, though, demanded that these tanks be put to good use, yet the relatively new M103 was actually quite obsolescent. The 120mm M58 canon had been surpassed by the British-designed, 105mm M68. All of the Army's front-line tanks were now equipped with the M68. If the M103 was to go back into service, it would need to be refitted with the newer and more effective cannon.

By late 1968, things in Vietnam were pretty much at their height. The American units were joined by Australian and South Korean commands. In the case of the South Koreans, that meant the entirety of the Capital Division. With the deployment of the Capital Division, which joined the American 2nd Infantry Division that had already been moved from South Korea to Vietnam, South Korea had fewer defensive units than at any time since the end of the Korean War.

While building up the capability of the North Vietnamese, the Soviet union also secretly started to reinforce their other client state, North Korea. By November 1968 things were ripe for the attempt. On Tuesday, November 5, 1968, while the United States was in the middle of an extremely contentious presidential election, the North Koreans, goaded on by their Soviet masters, launched their massive attack and crossed the border into the South. The set-piece defences took a terrible toll of the attacking forces, but the reduced number of defenders due to the deployments to Vietnam meant the tide could not be stopped at the border. The remaining South Korean and American forces fell back, for the second time in under 20 years, hoping to hold off the North Koreans until heavy units stationed elsewhere could be brought to bear in the Korean Peninsula.

Stationed amongst the tripwire forces near the border on overwatch, the Heavy Tanks of the 899th Heavy Tank Battalion suffered significant losses in the initial attack, yet their skill and the improved capabilities of their upgraded M103A3 tanks seriously blunted the North Korean assault.

The model will portray a M103A3 tank of the 899th Battalion as it provides overwatch for American forces defending against the massive armoured attacks of the North Korean 237th Guards Armored Division north of Daejeon after the fall of Seoul in early 1969.



For the campaign I'll be using the Dragon Black Plague M103A2 kit modified with a 105mm M68 gun purloined from a derelict M60A1, a new cupola, smoke dischargers and whatever else I can find in the spare box that indicates a mid-late 60s American tank fighting for it's life.

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Re: M-103A3 in the 2nd Korean War
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2018, 11:40:15 AM »
Love the sound of this! :smiley:
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Re: M-103A3 in the 2nd Korean War
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2018, 04:33:33 PM »
Yes.. great backstory.
it is giving me some inspiration, now how to execute the vision

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Re: M-103A3 in the 2nd Korean War
« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2018, 12:08:22 AM »
Got the road wheels and sprockets cleaned up and glued together last night. Also trolled through the parts bins looking for appropriate bits. Fount a good mantlet cover affixed to a crappy 105mm barrel that I'm going to replace, a later M60A1 cupola I'll fit plus a Xenon searchlight to mount on the mantlet cover. I have to dig up some smoke projector mountings to put on the turret and I'll modify an M48 turret stowage basket for extra kit.

Thinking I may add some additional armour, kind of like the Stillbrew armour on Chieftains over the frontal arc of the turret and maybe hull.



The kit itself is a mess in terms of accuracy and I'm not going to touch any of that, of for no other reason that it would take a year to chop and drop the hull, turret and engine decks to be even partially accurate. It's such a crappy kit.

Paul
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Re: M-103A3 in the 2nd Korean War
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2018, 11:45:27 PM »
I'll be following this build with great interest. 

-seems like a good use of one of those "Black Plague" kits...

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Re: M-103A3 in the 2nd Korean War
« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2018, 01:11:49 AM »
Cool project! :smiley:

<...> one of those "Black Plague" kits...

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Re: M-103A3 in the 2nd Korean War
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2018, 05:24:55 AM »
It's late 1968. The height of the Cold War.

... whatever else I can find in the spare box that indicates a mid-late 60s American tank fighting for it's life.

Paul

Chain link fencing as anti-RPG2/B40 screens.

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Re: M-103A3 in the 2nd Korean War
« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2018, 12:08:18 AM »
Chain link fencing as anti-RPG2/B40 screens.
I'm setting the 103 up in a hasty revetment on overwatch and wanted to do something like chain link but I'm not happy with anything I currently have in stock to represent the fencing. The tulle I have is too fine plus it doesn't want to hold shape to look like chain link. I do have some expanded wire mesh but I fear it is also too fine.

We'll see.

If not, I do have some nice corrugated metal scenic material I've wanted to use for something, so I may roll that out in panels around the arse end of the 103 for the same purpose with angle iron (Plastruct) stakes to support it.  :smiley:

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Re: M-103A3 in the 2nd Korean War
« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2018, 05:21:26 PM »
Re: Your chain-link fence dilemma.  Tamiya offered some chain-link fence in one of their later editions of the M113.  The kit was listed as "U.S. M113 ACAV" and included new tool figures, weapons, miscellaneous accessories and a section of material that looked very convincing as a section of chain-link fence to be rolled up and attached to the side of the M113 or placed in position as the RPG screen to protect the vehicle and crew. 

Reference link with further details for that kit at ScaleMates: https://www.scalemates.com/kits/130071-tamiya-35135-m113-acav

Rather unfortunate that there are no "in-the-box" kit reviews at the above link. 

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Images of the kit contents can be viewed at this link: http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/image/10008271/40/2
Product information is available at this link: http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10008271
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Re: M-103A3 in the 2nd Korean War
« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2018, 08:47:12 PM »
Chain link fencing as anti-RPG2/B40 screens.

I'm setting the 103 up in a hasty revetment on overwatch 


Couple of things to take into consideration as you progress.

1) The M103 had an azimuth indicator (wasn't until the M1 that those went away). That aided in turning a tank into an indirect fire support weapon (the drill being to fire three rounds, one on azimuth of target with 2nd & 3rd + & - 5 degrees).  Note how they dug the positions, so that the tube could reach super-elevation (instead of just horizontal turret and hull down).  If run forward in a modified battle position (as illustrated below), that leaves the front under-glacis vulnerable - all the more reason for that RPG screen.

Really really hasty extreme elevation position

Less hasty, but very much a Korea thing.

Note location of Azimuth Indicator (Whiz wheel) in the M60 - think it was elsewhere in the M103.


2) M103 weighs in at 62.5 tons, probably overweight for most of the bridges then (and possibly some now). With mobility restricted like that, might consider a deliberate position overwatching a river fording site ( like east of Kunsan, along the Kumgang).

3) Even with a five man crew, recovering that screen isn't going to happen if they have to pull out in a hurry. I could see where someone might come up with the bright idea of using scrap iron to build stand-off screens on the turret flanks (at least). Each Company would have a welding kit on their Recovery Vehicle.

4) In the defense, that fifth man (possibly combined with the fifth man from the wing tank) could be sent out as the OP/LP.
Pretty sure a tripod for the bow or coax machinegun is in the basic issue items, drill would be to dismount and set it up to cover primary approaches. In this scenario, might even be positioned real close just to cover the dead space in front of the position.
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Re: M-103A3 in the 2nd Korean War
« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2018, 11:19:34 PM »
Story, great points, some I'd considered and some, not so much.  ;D

As I mentioned, I'm looking to refit the 103 with the M68 105mm, so the tanks will be down to 4 crew. I'm not looking to turn it into a diorama, so the revetment will be just enough to be a base for the model and not large enough to show an entire defensive position.

I might even add another turret escape hatch over the remaining loader on the left and fit an M60 and shield for close in defense. I'm also looking at replacing the cupola with that from the M60.

The position I'm putting it in is definitely a direct fire position watching over a junction/choke point/bridge so I don't think I'm going with one of the high angle artillery positions.

The point about time to recover the chain link is vary valid given that the period is nominally on the retreat from the border, and as I don't seem to have a reasonable facsimile of chain link in the spares boxes, I am, indeed, going to make something along the lines of corrugated tin stand off armour for the sides of the turret and maybe the sides of the hull. Maybe. The Korean roads were narrow, especially in the countryside, though better in the late 60s than in the early 50s, so hull side screens would probably just be swept away each time the tank brushed up against something on the roads. But the turret screens, using angle iron and corrugated roofing tin, are going to be a thing. Stuffed with stowage emblematic of a bug-out scenario. Going to see if I can get all or most of an M60 turret stowage basket to fit, as well, to provide more space for the inevitable "stuff".

I've figured out how to make the add-on monolithic, cast, KE armour look the way I want as well, so that's going to be a thing.

In the middle of cleaning up the basic kit build. Which is a pain because, while the fit isn't too bad, the lack of consistency is a pain. The lower hull pan has nice texture all over, but the upper hull only has texture in a few places and not at all along the sides of the hull. The turret has texture except on the protruding sections for the antenna bases and ventilator fan. The suspension mount points for the foremost shock absorbers, which are double units, are set up for single units, so only half as large a need be. Gonna be filing that in with epoxy putty, but a PITA and a brutal oversight by the kit design team.

So far the build is going OK as long as I remember to ignore the blatant inaccuracies of the kit and focus on the much less significant build issues.

Onward! The North Korean hordes approach!

Paul

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Re: M-103A3 in the 2nd Korean War
« Reply #11 on: April 11, 2018, 11:59:52 PM »

As I mentioned, I'm looking to refit the 103 with the M68 105mm, so the tanks will be down to 4 crew. 


Yeah, got that - thought it was a neat idea, since the ammo racks for those 34 two-part 120mm rounds would turn into 68+ rounds of 105mm simply by swapping out racks.  Thinking like a TC, that second loader would be real useful.

Meanwhile, plenty of inspiration for folks in the cheap seats to do their own interpretations of M103 variations. https://ogami3d.deviantart.com/art/M103-heavy-tank-312036849



Now we need someone to create a 3d NorK propaganda poster.

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Re: M-103A3 in the 2nd Korean War
« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2018, 03:20:26 AM »
Yeah, got that - thought it was a neat idea, since the ammo racks for those 34 two-part 120mm rounds would turn into 68+ rounds of 105mm simply by swapping out racks.

While 2-part, and quite large parts at that, not all the ammo spots in the 103 would take a fixed 105mm ammo in place of the piece of 120mm. The casing, at 34.6" was longer than the 105mm APDS rounds in service at the time, but the 120mm projectile, at 17" long would be more difficult simply swap out the racks. A lot of the projectile racks were in the turret, to either side of the commander and with the radio and other kit in the turret area, you're not going to get 1 for 1 there. However, the space the 5th crewman took up between the commander and gunner would easily allow a new ready rack to be installed on the floor of the turret basket, below the turret ring to reduce chances of being struck if the tank was penetrated and fitted with an armoured box to reduce the chances of a "Ronson", again, if the tank was penetrated.

The diameters of the two cases are actually surprisingly similar so instead of 34 2-part rounds, I'm thinking you could get the 34 cases swapped out 1 for 1, the projos swapped say, 2 for 3, plus another 10-15 in the deleted loaders area for 34+22+15= about 70-71 rounds.

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Thinking like a TC, that second loader would be real useful.

But not as useful as another 10-15 main gun rounds?  ;D

And love the skirts on the 103 in the images but I'm looking at my corrugated skirts being much more "rough and ready". :)

Paul
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Re: M-103A3 in the 2nd Korean War
« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2018, 10:50:18 PM »

But not as useful as another 10-15 main gun rounds?  ;D

If it's the same load-out as a 48/60 and I get another crewman per tank for maintenance issues and other tacticool chores, yeah it's a good trade off. Not like the back deck hasn't been used for ammo storage before.

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« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2018, 05:06:10 AM »
First pics. The basic build it well along so now I can add the "Stillbrew-esque" applique armour to the hull and turret.

This is the first layer, approximately the same thickness (about 2 1/2 scale inches) with reasonably sharp edges all in Apoxy-sculpt. Once it hardens I'll finish the shaping and then add a layer of regular spot and glaze to tidy up the surfaces.

Once I get the headlight groups in place I may decide to make the sleeves of the hull "T-shirt" armour a bit broader to protect more. We'll see.

I have a resin 105mm L7 gun that I'll be using after I remove the flange on the bore extractor to make it an American M68.

You can also see I've changed the gunners sight on the turret to match the 105.

I have an M48 cupola that I intend to fit, somehow, to the turret as well.

Once I get the armour package right I'll be modifying the nominal storage rack on the M103 to something more like that on a M60A1 with vertical sides, rails and mesh. Then I'll load her up with stowage as befits a tank that is part of a force constantly bugging out to new defensive lines.

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Re: M-103A3 in the 2nd Korean War
« Reply #15 on: May 07, 2018, 09:32:45 AM »
I love the M103. This build is going to be awesome.

The 105mm L7 is a bit of a downgrade. It'd also give a lot of extra room in the turret. Any plans on what to do with that?

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« Reply #16 on: May 07, 2018, 09:45:24 PM »
The 105mm L7 is a bit of a downgrade. It'd also give a lot of extra room in the turret. Any plans on what to do with that?
Actually, the L7/M68 was an upgrade from the 120mm M58. It's penetration numbers were significantly higher, mostly because of increased bore pressure and better ammo. It's why the M60 ended up with the L7 and not an improved M58. The ammo was smaller and single piece which allowed faster loading, also a significant benefit, but the penetration values were much better.

As for the additional room, mostly because of the reduced crew of 4 from 5, I'm positing additional ammo in the form of a larger ready rack in the turret basket and possible shifting of the radio from the bustle to above the new ammo rack to permit more ammo in the bustle. I would bet you could fit an additional 30 rounds, all told, maybe more.

Luckily, I'm not putting an interior in this beast.

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Re: M-103A3 in the 2nd Korean War
« Reply #17 on: May 07, 2018, 11:23:15 PM »
Oh, I know it's a practical upgrade, and I'm not surprised it would have better penetration for the reasons stated. I just mean that you've got a lot of room to play with and could put a beefier gun in there.

I remember talking with Charles Lemons, the curator of the Patton Museum (before the US Army—in its infinite wisdom—BRAC'ed it), and he noted that the 120mm M58 gun on the M103 was kinetically more powerful than the 120mm M256A1 gun mounted on the Abrams. Obviously, advances in ammunition technology meant that the Abrams had greater effect on target, but the 120mm M58 was a monster.

The lighter gun weight also means that you should get away with the additionally turret face armor without any issue.

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« Reply #18 on: May 09, 2018, 12:46:48 AM »
I just mean that you've got a lot of room to play with and could put a beefier gun in there.
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he noted that the 120mm M58 gun on the M103 was kinetically more powerful than the 120mm M256A1 gun mounted on the Abrams. Obviously, advances in ammunition technology meant that the Abrams had greater effect on target, but the 120mm M58 was a monster.
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The lighter gun weight also means that you should get away with the additionally turret face armor without any issue.

Yeah, that's kinda where I was going with all this. ;)

Looking forward to getting the up-armouring done so I can complete the build. Next really visible thing is to see if the M60 cupola is going to work or not. Not sure. It may not fit properly or I may have to move the cupola centre back a bit. Adding extra height is a good thing, right?  :o

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Re: M-103A3 in the 2nd Korean War
« Reply #19 on: May 09, 2018, 01:34:41 AM »
In fairness, the extra height isn't a big deal in the mountains. In fact, there are times where it can be a benefit. It would allow the vehicle to occupy a turret down defensive position and still offer infantry support before moving up into a hull down configuration.

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« Reply #20 on: May 16, 2018, 10:47:34 AM »
Bit of an update. The applique armour is in place and just needs weld beads along the flanks. The cupola is in progress. Needs seams filled and the gap under the MG rotor filled. The 105 is in place in the mantlet and the mantlet is in place on the turret. Need to create the fabric mantlet cover out of epoxy putty. The larger turret bustle racks need to be scratch built.

Then the basic build needs to be completed and the storage added before painting.

Coming along.

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Re: M-103A3 in the 2nd Korean War
« Reply #21 on: May 16, 2018, 12:00:40 PM »
Looks sharp. Keep up the great work!

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« Reply #22 on: May 16, 2018, 10:26:28 PM »
I'm quietly watching & I like what I see! :smiley: ;)
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« Reply #23 on: May 16, 2018, 10:32:51 PM »
Going to be a fantastic beast when all is said and done.  Awesome work!

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« Reply #24 on: July 12, 2018, 10:11:11 AM »
OK, so obviously this didn't get done for the 2nd Korean War build, but I'm hoping to have it done before thend of the year to qualify for the "clear the bench" group build.

But it is proceeding.

In the attached photos you can see the build essentially done. I have a couple small things to clean up, but we're nearly at the paint stage.

Luckily, I almost have the paint booth and venting set up out in the garage. Next week I might actually get a coat of paint on the wee beastie!

You can see the new gun and armour from before, but I also now have the M48 cupola in place with modified sighting to feed coordinates to the gunner. I need to add the wire loop that prevents the cupola MG from shooting into the main gun barrel, and a canvas mantlet cover for the cupola MG.

I did get the main gun mantlet canvas cover sculpted and I have to say I really like how it came out.

Next year's AMPS international show in Buffalo has a Snow theme so I'm going to be placing this on a wintery base, with the M103 hunkered down behind a quick tank hide, probably with a whitewashed snow camo scheme, on overwatch outside Pusan.

As always suggestions and comments welcome.

Paul

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« Reply #25 on: July 12, 2018, 12:05:48 PM »
No suggestions required, you're taking this to a good place! 8)
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« Reply #26 on: July 12, 2018, 06:03:48 PM »
Nice work on the turret!   :smiley:

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« Reply #27 on: July 12, 2018, 08:04:18 PM »
Oh, that is nice

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« Reply #28 on: July 12, 2018, 10:25:16 PM »
Thanks, guys.

I'm thinking of adding some angle iron extensions/cage work to the turret stowage racks. I don't think the stock ones are going to allow me to really get the "gypsy caravan" look I want once this thing is stowed up. I want it to really look like they're dragging the kitchen sink along on the fighting withdrawal back to Pusan.

But, that's simple. I may get that done tonight.

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« Reply #29 on: July 13, 2018, 02:29:50 AM »
You don't need extra racks, just a little ingenuity! ;)





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Re: M-103A3 in the 2nd Korean War
« Reply #30 on: July 13, 2018, 02:47:07 AM »
@ TankModeler - Glad that you changed your mind on the Commander's Cupola and switched to the M48 type as it looks more in tune and time with the M103. 
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« Reply #31 on: July 13, 2018, 03:37:09 AM »
Ahhh, but the M48s have all got better racks, with backs to hang more shi... stuff from. I'm looking to go more like the Aussie Cent with field-mod racks.

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Re: M-103A3 in the 2nd Korean War
« Reply #32 on: July 13, 2018, 08:32:02 AM »
With the GB at an end and a winner declared, I thought it best to move this here where it wouldn't get lost.

I'm enjoying following along and look forward to your next update.

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« Reply #33 on: July 13, 2018, 10:12:14 PM »
Thanks, Brian. I was going to ask that it be moved.

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« Reply #34 on: July 13, 2018, 10:19:13 PM »
@ TankModeler - Glad that you changed your mind on the Commander's Cupola and switched to the M48 type as it looks more in tune and time with the M103.
Not so much changed my mind as was forced to switch because the M60 cupola wouldn't rotate cleanly in the M103 position without being raised up to such a ridiculous degree that it looked really dumb.  ;D

Still have to add the bump guards that prevent the .50 cal from shooting through the searchlight. Started on the extended stowage racks last night and finalised the last of the epoxy putty weld beads and shape changes.

Once the extended racks are built, I have a ton of stowage to put in there all lined up. From 20mm boxes to a couple of eskies and C-rat boxes. And tarps. Loads of tarps.

Still have the base to do as well.

Still loads to do on this one before it's finished.

And I only have 5 months to do it in!  :o

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Re: M-103A3 in the 2nd Korean War
« Reply #35 on: August 02, 2018, 09:56:44 AM »
OK, so things are still progressing. I _think_ I'm at the point of putting on the base coat of paint. The build (again, I _think_) is done and I'll paint the hull with wheels & sprockets off and also less the stowage, Xenon searchlight and the new loader's .30 cal.

You can see the extended stowage rack plus the 20mm boxes I've hung on them. I also added the .50 cal barrel to the cupola and attached that,  the post for the loaders .30 cal plus a few other details to complete the details before painting. Still have all the stowage to paint and clean up. Have a pile of .50 and .30 cal ammo boxes to stow as well as the aforementioned tarps and bags.

Eventually going to put a temporary winter whitewash pattern over the basic army green and put it at a winter overwatch tank scrape per the earlier 2nd Korean War back story.

Suggestions still entertained. :D

Paul

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Re: M-103A3 in the 2nd Korean War
« Reply #36 on: August 02, 2018, 09:57:11 AM »
And a final top view...

I'm _really_ happy with how the mantlet cover came out.

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Re: M-103A3 in the 2nd Korean War
« Reply #37 on: August 02, 2018, 10:33:25 AM »
Keeps getting better every time! :smiley: 8)
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Re: M-103A3 in the 2nd Korean War
« Reply #38 on: August 02, 2018, 10:39:26 AM »
Keeps getting better every time! :smiley: 8)
Well, that _is_ the plan, after all! :D

Ta, though.

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Re: M-103A3 in the 2nd Korean War
« Reply #39 on: August 02, 2018, 03:37:37 PM »
Keeps getting better every time! :smiley: 8)
Well, that _is_ the plan, after all! :D

Yes, but not what always happens - with my builds, anyway. ;)
"This is the Captain. We have a little problem with our engine sequence, so we may experience some slight turbulence and, ah, explode."

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Re: M-103A3 in the 2nd Korean War
« Reply #40 on: August 03, 2018, 06:12:03 AM »
My only suggestion: MORE PHOTOS!

Can't wait to see it with some paint on it.

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Re: M-103A3 in the 2nd Korean War
« Reply #41 on: August 03, 2018, 08:02:07 PM »
great stuff. I really like where this going