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Boxer GTK (GTFz) 8X8 Wheeled Armored Vehicle
« on: January 31, 2012, 02:30:47 AM »
Revell of Germany 1/35th scale GTK Boxer (GTFz) built by Thomas Schäffter with the remote weapons station armed with the 40mm grenade launcher machine gun.


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Vajra Miniatures 1/35th scale resin kit of the GTK Boxer prototype vehicle built by Peter Jakob


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Thomas Hofmann provides an in-box kit review of the Revell of Germany 1/35th scale GTK (GTFz) Boxer (product number 03093) with plenty of images showing what is provided in this kit at Modellversium


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This is an interesting kit with the personnel carrier module being a separate component that can be removed to reveal the details underneath the module that would normally be hidden from view.  My first thoughts were to start wondering how this vehicle would look with a standard fifth wheel mounted in that space to pull a trailer or modify it to become a cargo truck with stake sides and bench seats from one of the cargo truck kits.  It would certainly be an interesting diversion from following the kit instructions. 
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Re: Boxer GTK (GTFz) 8X8 Wheeled Armored Vehicle
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2012, 02:33:08 AM »
I have one that is going to be made up as the equivalent of the Stryker Mobile Gun System:

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« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2012, 02:57:56 AM »
I have one that is going to be made up as the equivalent of the Stryker Mobile Gun System

Should look better than that Stryker MGS without too much effort. 
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Re: Boxer GTK (GTFz) 8X8 Wheeled Armored Vehicle
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2012, 06:49:33 AM »
Boxer has the heft to pull off the LWT better than the top-heavy M1128 as well. Besides, the Boxer is modular so the LWT installation is 'roll-on/roll-off'  :)
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Re: Boxer GTK (GTFz) 8X8 Wheeled Armored Vehicle
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2012, 10:07:58 AM »
This is the first modern AFV I've bought in a long time with actual intent to build. The modular concept is just too cool to not mess with!


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« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2012, 02:12:18 PM »
  My first thoughts were to start wondering how this vehicle would look with a standard fifth wheel mounted in that space to pull a trailer


A Curtiss Aerocar like trailer?




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Damn, that modular design is cool and gives rise to all sort of ideas.
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Re: Boxer GTK (GTFz) 8X8 Wheeled Armored Vehicle
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2012, 03:19:33 PM »
  My first thoughts were to start wondering how this vehicle would look with a standard fifth wheel mounted in that space to pull a trailer

Damn, that modular design is cool and gives rise to all sort of ideas.

Seems we all have a similar perspective for things which is a good thing.  A fifth-wheel trailer such as the Aerocar is a bit out of my league but does bring to mind an idea for a trailer that could be used for a command post towed by the Boxer or something more Mad-Maxx such as a fuel tank trailer.  I suppose the fuel tanker would exceed the axle weight limits but you could always say it was carrying a "light" fuel ;)   
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Re: Boxer GTK (GTFz) 8X8 Wheeled Armored Vehicle
« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2012, 04:25:44 PM »
How about a Giraffe radar or similar:



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Re: Boxer GTK (GTFz) 8X8 Wheeled Armored Vehicle
« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2012, 08:49:42 AM »
<...> or similar:


An EO turret and a pack of HOT-3/PARS 3/Spike!
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Re: Boxer GTK (GTFz) 8X8 Wheeled Armored Vehicle
« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2012, 06:08:43 PM »
<...> or similar:


An EO turret and a pack of HOT-3/PARS 3/Spike!


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Re: Boxer GTK (GTFz) 8X8 Wheeled Armored Vehicle
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2012, 11:39:16 AM »
^ Yup, that's what I thought.  :)

Here are two more options of how a Boxer-based mobile gun system could look. Both are based on the French GIAT/Nexter Vextra design, which was trialled, but ultimately not adopted. Too bad, as it's a cool-looking beast.

Vextra 105 with a 105mm gun turret (as on the AMX-10RC)


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Vextra trials vehicle for a reduced-recoil 120mm gun (120 FER (Faible Effet de Recul) L/52) in a lightweight turret called 120 POLE (POrteur LEger).


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The well-sloped glacis kinda reminded me of the Boxer. Looks like you could easily cut-up a Leo 2 turret to get something similar to the turret in the second pic.
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Re: Boxer GTK (GTFz) 8X8 Wheeled Armored Vehicle
« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2012, 07:51:08 PM »
Those two Vextra's have given me the fever...the fever to build something similar.  I've had plans to build a USMC LAV-25 with a bigger turret for a tank destroyer/infantry support vehicle, now it looks like I'll have to add a Boxer and some other donor armor to the stash as well and take a crack at a German MGS to rival the Styker for export business...

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Re: Boxer GTK (GTFz) 8X8 Wheeled Armored Vehicle
« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2012, 05:18:58 AM »
I already have the Revell kit of this and have now just ordered the HobbyBoss version.  It will be interesting to do a comparison between the two.

I'm thinking one will get an overhead 105/120mm gun whilst the other might get either an Air-Defence set up or possibly something like a Netfires setup.

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Re: Boxer GTK (GTFz) 8X8 Wheeled Armored Vehicle
« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2012, 07:30:18 PM »
Boxer GTK (GTFz) 8X8 Wheeled Armored Vehicle with LANCE turret system

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***Taking a closer look at the image of the Boxer with the turret I doubt that this is a 20mm weapon as someone claimed it to be on another forum.  That individual did not provide a link to any article and I took it upon myself to search out more information on this variant.  Taking a look at the Puma IFV to get a comparison as it would make more sense and it would also be logical from a logistical perspective to have a weapons system that would be common to both platforms it is probably the same 30mm weapon system that is used on the Puma IFV


Wikipedia - Puma IFV
Wikipedia - Boxer MRAV


*** *** Further research on the subject reveals that the turret mounted on the Boxer MRAV is the Rheinmetall LANCE turret armed with the same Rheinmetall MK30-2/ABM 30mm automatic cannon that is mounted in the Puma IFV. 

Additional information at these links:

Army Guide.com - Rheinmetall LANCE Turret
Army Guide.com - Boxer MRAV with LANCE Turret
Army Guide.com - LANCE RC - Remote Controlled Weapon Station
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Re: Boxer GTK (GTFz) 8X8 Wheeled Armored Vehicle
« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2012, 08:41:32 PM »
Looks good.
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Re: Boxer GTK (GTFz) 8X8 Wheeled Armored Vehicle
« Reply #15 on: November 02, 2012, 09:10:35 PM »
I agree, but that looks more like a 30 or 35mm gun.  That's hefty-looking.

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« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2012, 02:09:16 AM »
I agree, but that looks more like a 30 or 35mm gun.  That's hefty-looking.


Edit of my OP to reflect your observations.  I have to agree now that I have taken a closer look at the Puma IFV. 
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« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2012, 02:30:55 AM »
Yeah, that's kind of what I figured.  Very neat.

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« Reply #18 on: November 03, 2012, 02:44:36 PM »
Bah!  Give it a 35mm/50mm cannon.
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« Reply #19 on: November 03, 2012, 11:32:29 PM »
The plot thickens...

KMW (Kraus-Maffei Wegmann) FLW 200+ remote weapons station armed with the Rheinmetall RH202 MK. 

Definitely not the same system but still impressive. 
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Re: Boxer GTK (GTFz) 8X8 Wheeled Armored Vehicle
« Reply #20 on: November 18, 2012, 02:43:11 AM »
Random Idea:  How about turning the Boxer into a Halftrack...
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Re: Boxer GTK (GTFz) 8X8 Wheeled Armored Vehicle
« Reply #21 on: August 23, 2015, 06:39:56 AM »
Boxer from the Mars Wars - this one is in an area where terraforming has allowed some of the first plants to grow...

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« Reply #23 on: January 28, 2016, 10:58:59 PM »
Hello friends,
Last week I have finished a model on a model exhibition.  This is the "Lance"-turret on the  pre-series BOXER. (Hobbyboss). It is the same turret, I show on the MARDER-testvehicle, here in the physical models. The real vehicle was shown on a military exhibition in 2008.












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« Reply #24 on: January 29, 2016, 02:58:43 AM »
 :)
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« Reply #25 on: March 06, 2016, 04:27:59 AM »
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« Reply #26 on: September 11, 2016, 06:32:31 AM »
I got to see this up close this last week:



Damn that is a big, tall vehicle.  Wouldn't want to fall from the top!
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« Reply #27 on: September 11, 2016, 06:34:33 AM »
Another showing the 155mm AGM:

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« Reply #28 on: September 11, 2016, 06:39:46 AM »
Air Defence Variant:

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« Reply #29 on: September 11, 2016, 06:45:32 AM »
Video of proposed Boxer CRV for Australia's Land 400:

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« Reply #30 on: September 27, 2016, 11:31:15 AM »
Boxer from the Mars Wars - this one is in an area where terraforming has allowed some of the first plants to grow...




Looks like that nasty Cultana training area Greg  :(

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« Reply #31 on: September 27, 2016, 11:36:58 AM »
I got to see this up close this last week:



Damn that is a big, tall vehicle.  Wouldn't want to fall from the top!


Descent calibre cannon and ATGM's!! :o
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« Reply #32 on: February 03, 2017, 02:38:57 AM »
Boxer on trials in Australia:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hIodVnI9qM
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« Reply #33 on: February 03, 2017, 09:29:37 PM »
Boxer on trials in Australia:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hIodVnI9qM

Interesting, thanks for that.

If I recall correctly they were actually first trialled in Aust back in 2008/9, not for the RAAC but hot weather trails in Woomera for the Germans.

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« Reply #34 on: July 15, 2017, 03:58:12 AM »
Just a photo:

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« Reply #35 on: October 08, 2017, 03:19:18 AM »
Another photo showing the size of Boxer, this time alongside an old Leopard 1:

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« Reply #36 on: October 08, 2017, 10:27:04 AM »
I wasn't aware there were any Leopard 1s in Oz.  Where is it?

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« Reply #37 on: October 08, 2017, 09:15:18 PM »
I wasn't aware there were any Leopard 1s in Oz.  Where is it?


It must be a belgium Leo. But the Boxer looks like that one in Australia testet.

A Boxer with Laser:











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« Reply #38 on: March 14, 2018, 02:07:10 AM »
Well it looks like Australia has selected the Boxer for its Land 400 Ph2 requirement. :smiley:


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« Reply #39 on: March 14, 2018, 08:03:31 PM »
Good choice and confirms what an RAAC SNCO told me last year but boy are the parochial's and armchair experts going ballistic.

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« Reply #40 on: March 15, 2018, 10:18:39 AM »
Good choice and confirms what an RAAC SNCO told me last year but boy are the parochial's and armchair experts going ballistic.

It is a good choice, albeit an expensive one.  Who cares what the armchair "experts" think? 

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« Reply #41 on: March 30, 2018, 09:16:05 PM »
I wasn't aware there were any Leopard 1s in Oz.  Where is it?

Yep, not an Aussie Leo 1, it's turret isn't the correct shape. This Leopard 1 has the older round cast turret!

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« Reply #42 on: April 06, 2018, 02:40:02 AM »
I knew the Boxer had modular capability but I have never seen this in action...until now:

https://youtu.be/h1iifwOhQbE

I wonder if the modules shown could be used as pillboxes?
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« Reply #43 on: April 06, 2018, 06:48:36 AM »
The Revell Germany Boxer kit has this feature as part of the kit with a separate module for rear containing the troops and remote weapon station or the medical evacuation module.  It can be removed from the vehicle to show the inside of the vehicle and there is a port or doorway to the driver compartment.  I rather fancied the notion of a Boxer pickup truck :)
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« Reply #44 on: April 07, 2018, 04:24:26 AM »
Yeah, I knew the kit showed it.  I just hadn't seen it in real life until this video.
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« Reply #45 on: April 07, 2018, 04:38:47 AM »
How about a Boxer with ADATS:

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« Reply #46 on: May 31, 2018, 01:54:56 AM »
Air Defence Variant:



Apparently Australia is also considering some of these...
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« Reply #47 on: June 01, 2018, 12:26:40 PM »
I think the 2020's might see a bit of a resurgence of low-level AD among NATO/FVEY nations.

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« Reply #48 on: June 01, 2018, 11:16:16 PM »
I think the 2020's might see a bit of a resurgence of low-level AD among NATO/FVEY nations.
I'm thinking a lot more than a bit. As peer-peer conflict comes back into view, politically, nations who have focused on COIN and asymmetric warfare for the last 15 years are pivoting to find out that their old potential adversaries have not been standing still while they fought in the deserts.

There are a LOT of doctrinal roosters coming home to perch at the moment.

Western Navies are rediscovering that they need sophisticated anti-shipping strike, long range anti-missile defence and really sophisticate ASW capability that they have let lapse since the early 90s. Air Forces are rediscovering that they need to be able to win air superiority in an incredibly contested air and electronic space. Armies are noticing that sabres are being rattled, sabres that need more than wheeled vehicles to combat and that their tracked platforms are 40 years old and aging. And seriously sophisticated cyber warfare is a brand new thing compared to the last time the West's militaries looked beyond long term, low intensity sustained COIN ops.

There is a LOT of money needed to revamp the world's militaries to face near peer adversaries, yet there is nowhere near enough money to do all the needed things in the short term. 30 years of low intensity focus is going to take quite a while to overcome.

Paul

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Re: Boxer GTK (GTFz) 8X8 Wheeled Armored Vehicle
« Reply #49 on: June 04, 2018, 02:09:22 AM »
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