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Empty Handed's New Profile Hangar
« on: January 26, 2015, 05:49:26 AM »
Hello all. Long time. Seems as if I have got my profiling mojo back [groans from audience]. Quiet you!

First up is the Nord Crécerelle (Kestrel) fighter dynasty inspired by the Nord CT.20:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_Aviation_CT20

Nord Crécerelle IN AdlA by mtpalmer1, on Flickr

Nord Crécerelle IIP AdlA by mtpalmer1, on Flickr

(With the IIP the P stands for plat, the closest I could translate to prone.)

Nord Crécerelle IVA AdlA by mtpalmer1, on Flickr

Hope you enjoy them.




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Re: Empty Handed's New Profile Hangar
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2015, 08:00:32 AM »
Looking good! :)
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Re: Empty Handed's New Profile Hangar
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2015, 06:02:31 AM »
Thanks!

Here are a couple of Soviets....

Lavochkin La-184 Figment:

Lavochkin La-184 'Figment' VVS by mtpalmer1, on Flickr

Ilyushin Il-31 Fissure-A:

Ilyushin Il-31 'Fissure-A' VVS by mtpalmer1, on Flickr

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Re: Empty Handed's New Profile Hangar
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2015, 09:18:38 AM »
Last two design/color combos favorites :)

Re: Empty Handed's New Profile Hangar
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2015, 01:44:47 AM »
Thanks!

Ilyushin Il-31M Fissure-C:

Ilyushin Il-31M 'Fissure-C' VVS by mtpalmer1, on Flickr

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Re: Empty Handed's New Profile Hangar
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2015, 02:53:41 AM »
Great silhouettes! Like coming from nowhere but "could have been" anyway! :-*

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Re: Empty Handed's New Profile Hangar
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2015, 04:47:37 AM »
I really like the Ilyushin Il-31 - any more details?
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Re: Empty Handed's New Profile Hangar
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2015, 02:14:08 AM »
Thanks!

I envisage the Il-31 as sort of a Su-7ised Il-28. Generally Ilyushin's answer to the Fitter family using an existing fuselage barrel for ease of production (in theory). So new 50-60ish degree sweep wings. New nose intake. Single engine in the fuselage replacing the bomb-bay. Something of the order of a Lyulka AL-7F which has similar smash to the Tumansky R-15 of MiG-25 fame - so supersonic performance via brute force rather than any finesse!

The Il-31M features revised intake geometry (principally auxiliary air inlets), uprated engine (AL-7M perhaps?) and a spine for better aerodynamics/more avionics.

I have a few export customers in mind and a plaything for the PVO coming up next. I have a 1st and 2nd-generation Ilyushin fighter-bomber design (Yak-15/-17 and MiG-15/-17 equivalent) lined up for later. It may be interesting to speculate on an Ilyushin Fencer equivalent?? Maybe a Fencer-ised Il-54 with fuselage engines rather than podded in a revised aft fuselage. Sort of what the Il-102 was to the Il-40.

Sorry for the ramble.  ;)

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Re: Empty Handed's New Profile Hangar
« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2015, 02:38:13 AM »
No need to apologise.  I like your innovation here :).  You had me confused a bit though as I was trying to work out which Ilyushin project design you had based your profile upon.
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Re: Empty Handed's New Profile Hangar
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2015, 05:52:38 AM »
Thank you.

Given the high performance of the Il-31, an interceptor variant for the PVO was almost inevitable. This was the Il-31P Fissure-D:

Ilyushin Il-31P 'Fissure-D' PVO by mtpalmer1, on Flickr

The Indian Air Force was the first export customer. Initially they received Il-31D Fissure-Bs, a downgraded variant with simplified avionics, intake geometry and a downrated engine. These proved unsatisfactory and later India received the Il-31MD variant which, while still not as potent as the Soviet's own Il-31M, was a considerable improvement. Here is an Indian Il-31D performing a somewhat colourful flypast after an exercise:

Ilyushin Il-31D 'Fissure-B' Indian AF by mtpalmer1, on Flickr




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Re: Empty Handed's New Profile Hangar
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2015, 03:15:18 PM »
Dear Empty Handed,
I like your planet very much. Did the Soviets win WW3 there?

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Re: Empty Handed's New Profile Hangar
« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2015, 04:02:41 AM »
The more you post these Il-31s, the more nervous my 1/48 HpH Il-28 is getting... ::)
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« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2015, 12:59:32 AM »
Thanks guys!

During the Korean War, Ilyushin was busy developing its Il-27 day fighter, in much the same vein as Lavochkin's La-15. As the US B-29 night bombing campaign began to get underway however, Ilyushin OKB was ordered to fulfil an urgent operational requirement for a nightfighter capable of intercepting the B-29. The Il-27 was hastily redesigned as a nightfighter with a new radar nose and lateral intakes. This became the Il-27N, codenamed 'Fennel-B' by the West.

The second prototype was painted in North Korean colours and sent into combat against the B-29s where it claimed two kills. On its fourth sortie it encountered a formation of B-36s and was heavily damaged by cannon fire from its would-be target. In the subsequent forced-landing, the aircraft was written off. Production standard Fennels were too late to see action in Korea. As such the Fennel's impact on the war was minimal.

The Fennel-B went on to serve in the PVO with distinction. It is not known whether the original configuration first prototype (Fennel-A) ever flew.

Ilyushin Il-27N 'Fennel-B' North Korea by mtpalmer1, on Flickr

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Re: Empty Handed's New Profile Hangar
« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2015, 02:12:11 AM »
Thanks a lot to reveal this secret part of the Korean crisis... Secret history is fascinating, with beautiful unknown airplanes moreover :)

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Re: Empty Handed's New Profile Hangar
« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2015, 04:40:26 AM »
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Re: Empty Handed's New Profile Hangar
« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2015, 05:15:53 PM »
Great ideas here

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« Reply #16 on: August 27, 2015, 05:08:52 AM »
Thanks for the positive comments guys.

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Re: Empty Handed's New Profile Hangar
« Reply #17 on: August 27, 2015, 05:18:21 AM »
 :)
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Re: Empty Handed's New Profile Hangar
« Reply #18 on: August 27, 2015, 05:37:05 AM »
Heaven. I'm in heaven.

 
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« Reply #19 on: August 27, 2015, 08:21:07 AM »
Oh Oh Yes  :)

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« Reply #20 on: August 27, 2015, 09:54:00 AM »
Beautiful!!  An advanced version with turbo-props, perhaps?

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« Reply #21 on: August 27, 2015, 11:41:58 PM »
Douglas EC-124D Rivet Stack:
This is interesting, even if I do not love such huge cargo, without streamlined aerodynamics (this is not your fault, this is the template of course)... ;)

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« Reply #22 on: June 13, 2016, 05:51:48 AM »
I've always felt that the US Navy needed some kind of Tu-16 Badger analogue. So what if Martin and the USN Bureau of Aeronautics, concerned with the viability of the seaplane deterrent, developed a conventional land-based long-range patrol bomber from as many P6M components as possible?


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Martin P-7C Majestic VP-22 by mtpalmer1, on Flickr

1968: Just off of Haiphong, a P-7B of VXAH-1 swoops in low to lay mines.

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« Reply #23 on: June 13, 2016, 09:01:08 AM »
Love your P-7 Majestic ... and the concept behind it  :)
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« Reply #24 on: June 13, 2016, 11:58:12 AM »
P-7 Seamaster/Majestic = wonderful :)
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Re: Empty Handed's New Profile Hangar
« Reply #25 on: June 13, 2016, 03:07:12 PM »
Really nice work!!!

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Re: Empty Handed's New Profile Hangar
« Reply #26 on: June 14, 2016, 03:11:06 AM »
 :)
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Re: Empty Handed's New Profile Hangar
« Reply #29 on: May 01, 2017, 08:01:56 PM »
Thanks for the positive comments guys.

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« Reply #30 on: October 21, 2017, 02:37:31 AM »

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Re: Empty Handed's New Profile Hangar
« Reply #31 on: October 21, 2017, 03:20:14 AM »
What the ....???

F-105 plus???
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Re: Empty Handed's New Profile Hangar
« Reply #32 on: October 21, 2017, 03:50:04 AM »
Its a TF-84Q Thunderstreak. Ex-Armee de l'air Syrian half-way house between a F-84F & a F-105.

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« Reply #33 on: October 21, 2017, 05:37:47 AM »
Pretty interesting!  I like the fuselage color and the weathering you did.  Did you mean for the other roundel to be peeking through underneath the canopy?  Makes me want to create a mental story of a plane that was perhaps either bought as surplus, captured and test flown by the new owners, etc.
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Re: Empty Handed's New Profile Hangar
« Reply #34 on: October 22, 2017, 05:29:52 PM »
Thanks. Yes its an ex-French aircraft gifted to Syria. I wanted it to already have a story to tell before it got to its current user. I don't know why but I just can't do a factory-fresh bird.

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« Reply #36 on: October 23, 2017, 02:23:45 AM »
Ugly in a Su-9U kind of way ;)
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« Reply #37 on: October 28, 2017, 09:06:09 PM »
The pilot of this Harridan pours the coals on his Olympus 305 and turns south-west having completed his Red Hood SLAR reconnaissance run of the northern shores of the Black Sea.

Handley Page Harridan PR.4C RAF 82 Sqn Det A by mtpalmer1, on Flickr

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« Reply #38 on: October 29, 2017, 10:45:02 PM »
Weird! ??? ;)

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« Reply #39 on: October 29, 2017, 11:41:59 PM »
More details required please
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« Reply #40 on: October 30, 2017, 12:42:58 PM »
The pilot of this Harridan pours the coals on his Olympus 305 and turns south-west having completed his Red Hood SLAR reconnaissance run of the northern shores of the Black Sea.

Handley Page Harridan PR.4C RAF 82 Sqn Det A by mtpalmer1, on Flickr

Really unusual!  I think I see what looks like the tail of an XB-51 there.  Is that its intake underneath the cockpit?  It would certainly have a wickedly tall nose gear, but it almost doesn't seem as though there'd be room for it if one accounts for a cockpit tub and any radar and avionics up in the nose. 
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« Reply #41 on: October 30, 2017, 07:42:03 PM »
It all started as a single Oly engined scaled-down Victor as a Buccaneer alternative turned British U-2 type.

It is indeed the engine intake under the cockpit. I thought the Victor's bulged throat (for lack of a better term) would make a great intake.

It is pure Victor from the intake lip aft. The cockpit section is a MiG-27 one (as I have one spare) with underside cut down slightly to un-mask the intake. The cockpit is scaled correctly for a 1/72 MiG-27 cockpit to be married to a 1/144 Victor fuselage, plus or minus a pixel. The nose is based on that of an Atlas Cheetah D but is not scaled. The wings are Victor minus the intake sections moved forward to the original wing root.

As for landing gear, I think bicycle would be the best way to go with outriggers deployed from the Whitcomb bodies/Küchemann carrots on the trailing edge.

Its really meant to be an evolved kludge as only the Brits can do.


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« Reply #42 on: October 30, 2017, 09:55:33 PM »
Ta...that saves me tearing my hair out trying to find it in my British Secret Projects books. ;)
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Re: Empty Handed's New Profile Hangar
« Reply #43 on: October 30, 2017, 10:23:54 PM »
Thanks. Yes its an ex-French aircraft gifted to Syria. I wanted it to already have a story to tell before it got to its current user. I don't know why but I just can't do a factory-fresh bird.

New planes are pretty, but there's always a story behind the ones with some weathering and grunge to them indicating hard use.  Very nice work!
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« Reply #44 on: October 30, 2017, 10:33:31 PM »
It all started as a single Oly engined scaled-down Victor as a Buccaneer alternative turned British U-2 type.

It is indeed the engine intake under the cockpit. I thought the Victor's bulged throat (for lack of a better term) would make a great intake.

It is pure Victor from the intake lip aft. The cockpit section is a MiG-27 one (as I have one spare) with underside cut down slightly to un-mask the intake. The cockpit is scaled correctly for a 1/72 MiG-27 cockpit to be married to a 1/144 Victor fuselage, plus or minus a pixel. The nose is based on that of an Atlas Cheetah D but is not scaled. The wings are Victor minus the intake sections moved forward to the original wing root.

As for landing gear, I think bicycle would be the best way to go with outriggers deployed from the Whitcomb bodies/Küchemann carrots on the trailing edge.

Its really meant to be an evolved kludge as only the Brits can do.

Ah, I see...  You'll have to forgive me for seeing the XB-51 tail and not the Victor (I'm a Yank, after all....  Ha!)  You know, I'm almost embarrassed to say I hadn't even thought about a bicycle/outrigger gear layout but you're right, that would look at home there.  Looks like it would still have to be pretty tall though in consideration of the overall size of the intake (not a criticism, just an observation).  As "evolved kluges" go, it's a pretty interesting one.
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Re: Empty Handed's New Profile Hangar
« Reply #45 on: November 10, 2017, 12:49:01 AM »
Lavochkin's attempt at fielding an AL-5 engined all-weather interceptor using the La-200's tried & tested wings & empennage rather than the La-190's more (too?) exotic aerodynamics. The La-204:

Lavochkin La-204UF TNI–AU by mtpalmer1, on Flickr

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« Reply #46 on: November 10, 2017, 07:04:20 AM »
 :smiley:
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