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Offline dy031101

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Re: Soviet/Russian Tank and derivatives Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #75 on: May 30, 2014, 01:23:15 PM »
Does anyone know the turret ring size of the KV-1?

I'm wondering what other tank could use a tank gun adaptation of the M-30 howitzer (à la U-11)......

(I was at first thinking of the Churchill...... until I found its turret ring size to be smaller than even that of the T-34-76.)
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Re: Soviet/Russian Tank and derivatives Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #76 on: June 17, 2014, 02:40:19 PM »
I recently posted some quick & dirty tank concepts on my profiles thread, but in case anyone didn't see them there, I thought I'd post the relevant profiles here, as well. The following images are only mockup concepts, not finished profiles. I made them for my own reference and hadn't intended to post them anywhere, but I know there's a number of tank buffs on the forum and I thought they might be interested in the concepts.

There isn't a real backstory to these. I have a few Excel files that I update pretty regularly where I have outlined my "ideal" Table of Organization & Equipment (TOE) if I had my pick of WWII equipment. It's just a little exercise that I use to help me evaluate the relative merits and disadvantages of equipment in WWII. It also helps to understand the problem of things such as "why did Germany use so many different types of trucks?"

Anyway, to permit the interoperation of different types of equipment, I do allow myself a limited amount of equipment swapping for comparable armament, engines, radios, etc. So, here are some examples of the designs I've gone with.



The first is an IS-2 variant. It's actually pretty standard. I've extended the turret rear somewhat to give more room for ammunition and operation of the radio. I've also eliminated the machine gun at the turret rear, replaced the cupola, and added an M2 .50cal machine gun for the commander. I'd keep the original main gun, suspension, engine, etc. I'm really of the opinion that the IS-2 was one of the best tank designs of WWII. The more I study it in comparison to its contemporaries, the more I like it. Armed with the 122mm D-25T howitzer, a single battalion of this variant would serve as an integral part of late war infantry divisions.



The second is a more drastic modification. This involves the replacement of the 122mm gun with the German 88mm KwK 43 from the King Tiger. This would give the tank greater armor penetration, greater accuracy, greater rate of fire, and a greater ammunition load. This would be at the cost of barrel life and much worse high explosive content. This variant would essentially be a late-war medium/heavy tank making up nearly half the tanks in a 1945 tank division. Why bother with this variant rather than a standard IS-2? Well, a couple reasons. First is that it's more likely to engage in tank vs. tank combat compared to an infantry support tank. The second reason is that a tank division operates cut off from supplies for up to days at a time. As a result, 28 rounds is really insufficient for the deep penetration mission. Swapping out the gun for the 8.8cm KwK 43 should alleviate some of this without a reduction in anti-tank firepower.

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Logan

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Re: Soviet/Russian Tank and derivatives Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #77 on: November 12, 2014, 01:36:09 PM »
This page has some pictures purported to be those of tanks in North Korean services.

Amongst those there are a couple of T-34-76 pics.

Which reminds me of an intellectual exercise I used to do about outfitting T-34-76s with a remote sensor station for the tank commander so as to both improve the situational awareness and maybe allow the T-34 to function as a reconnaissance vehicle......
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Re: Soviet/Russian Tank and derivatives Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #78 on: November 13, 2014, 02:46:28 AM »
I wonder how one would go giving a T-34 something like a Kliver Remote Weapon Station?




Maybe also some reactive armour and an uprated engine...
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Re: Soviet/Russian Tank and derivatives Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #79 on: January 01, 2015, 02:38:10 PM »
Soviet-designed tanks prior to T-55 do not have rotating turret floor (which is, IIRC, Soviet counter part to turret baskets in Western tanks), a factor said to detract from crew comfort and therefore crew efficiency.

If it is such an important problem, had there been any attempt to modify those tanks and approach Western standard of ergonomics ?
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Re: Soviet/Russian Tank and derivatives Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #81 on: May 02, 2015, 07:02:06 AM »
So, are the covers coming off today for the big parade?   ;)

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« Reply #82 on: May 02, 2015, 07:04:03 AM »
One would expect so
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« Reply #83 on: May 02, 2015, 07:10:22 AM »
It's a bit like the bad ol' days of the Cold War but with better media coverage!  ;)

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Re: Soviet/Russian Tank and derivatives Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #84 on: May 31, 2015, 05:02:45 AM »
Series of photos of the BMPT-72:





I really like this came scheme.
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Re: Soviet/Russian Tank and derivatives Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #85 on: May 31, 2015, 01:35:52 PM »
^^ that is pretty sharp looking. :)
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Re: Soviet/Russian Tank and derivatives Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #86 on: May 31, 2015, 03:05:06 PM »
Impressive and lethal looking.
Color scheme borrowed from aircraft ?
Maybe for display vehicles, not operational use ?

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Re: Soviet/Russian Tank and derivatives Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #87 on: May 31, 2015, 05:08:40 PM »
Or urban combat...which is what the vehicle is designed for
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Re: Soviet/Russian Tank and derivatives Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #89 on: July 19, 2015, 05:20:20 AM »
Inside a T-72 in operation.  Note the autoloader in action.

https://youtu.be/uTGM1n8CYyQ
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Re: Soviet/Russian Tank and derivatives Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #91 on: August 10, 2015, 09:50:37 PM »
Someone has done a much better illustration of the Franco-Slovak T21 "Leclerc Junior" turret mounted on a T-72 hull.

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Re: Soviet/Russian Tank and derivatives Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #92 on: August 15, 2015, 03:01:03 AM »
Spurred by a discussion in another thread, what if the T-55 "Enigma" (see below) was a western development:




the armour added by the Iraqis comprised of armor plates, welded into boxes, to create a sort of spaced armor. Add-on armor weights a total of 4.6 t, so the add-on armor plates at the turret rear are used as a counterweight.

What if a 'Western' version used "Chobham armour" added on instead.  Maybe also add Western sensors and main gun (up to 120mm)?
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Re: Soviet/Russian Tank and derivatives Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #93 on: August 15, 2015, 03:09:09 AM »
Further to the above, here are some real world upgrades:

Slovenian M-55S
:  The original 100 mm tank gun was replaced by the 105 mm one with a thermal sleeve. The armour protection of the tank was improved considerably by attaching Rafael ERA blocks to the hull and the turret. A digital ballistic computer was installed in order to improve the fire control system (FCS). Modernization of the V-12 diesel engine resulted in an increase in power from 520 hp to 600 hp.



Ukrainian T-55AGM:  The tank is fitted with a 5TDFM, two-stroke liquid-cooled multi-fuel supercharged diesel engine with boxing pistons which develops 850 hp (634 kW).  It has built-in explosive reactive armour, countermeasures system and two main armament options: 125 mm KBM1 smoothbore gun or 120 mm KBM2 smoothbore gun (120mm version shown below):



Cadillac Gage Textron Jaguar:   It had a newly designed turret. The hull top was new. The engine compartment and fuel tanks on the shelves over the tracks were armour-protected. The Soviet-made 100 mm gun was replaced with the American M68 105 mm rifled gun fitted with a thermal sleeve and a Marconi fire control system which was originally developed for the American light tank Stingray was fitted.

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Re: Soviet/Russian Tank and derivatives Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #94 on: August 15, 2015, 04:02:41 AM »
Like the looks of the Slovenian M-55S and the Cadillac Gage Textron Jaguar.  May have to look for a deal on a T-55 some day...

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Re: Soviet/Russian Tank and derivatives Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #95 on: August 15, 2015, 08:15:42 PM »
Post cold war Sweden bought a stack of ex DDR MTLBs, how about they acquired T54/55 or even T72 as well as an interim supplement / replacement for their Centurions.  I wonder what sort of cool things the Swedes would do to update soviet era tanks?

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Re: Soviet/Russian Tank and derivatives Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #96 on: August 16, 2015, 05:32:21 AM »
eliminate the turrets, converting them into more-modern S-Tanks ?

Really all they'd need to do is paint them in the splinter cam scheme - that's about as cool as you need :)

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Re: Soviet/Russian Tank and derivatives Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #97 on: August 16, 2015, 05:48:06 AM »
BTR-T based upon T-55:


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Re: Soviet/Russian Tank and derivatives Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #98 on: August 16, 2015, 05:52:46 AM »
Who said tanks can't float?





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Re: Soviet/Russian Tank and derivatives Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #99 on: August 23, 2015, 07:26:18 AM »
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