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M551 Sheridan Ideas and Inspiration
« on: January 06, 2012, 05:48:51 PM »
Hi folks,

A thread for your M551 Sheridan tank ideas and inspiration.

To start with, I have just purchased a 1/35 Vietnam/Cold War one - thinking of replacing the 152 mm Gun/Launcher with a normal cannon - either 90mm or 105mm and doing it up as a light tank for third world nations...maybe something African or South American.

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Re: M551 Sheridan Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2012, 02:30:07 AM »
The Vietnam/Cold War one - thinking of replacing the152 mm Gun/Launcher with a normal cannon - either 90mm or 105mm and doing it up as a light tank for third world nations...maybe something African or South American.


The real M551 was trialed with the 76mm gun from the M41 Walker light tank and in later years when "Light Divisions" and the buzz word was "Rapid Deployment Forces" the M551 was tested with a 105mm gun that I believe was called a low-recoil weapon that had been developed by Royal Ordnance.  Of course finding a better looking turret for the M551 would be nice.  I am not overly impressed by the original turret and often wonder what other turret could possibly fit on the M551 hull.  I went so far as picking up the Trumpeter K1A1 ROK MBT kit just to see if the turret would work on the M551 hull.  It was a bit wide but certainly looked functional. 
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Re: M551 Sheridan Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2012, 07:58:25 AM »
Yes, I know:

With 76mm gun:



With 105mm gun:



I don't actually mind the look of the turret.  I think it has some definite shot traps but still it looks attractive to me...in an odd sort of way.

I figure the regunned M551 could be a light export tank much in the same theme as the later Stingray:



As I said, maybe a South American or African user...any suggestions?

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Re: M551 Sheridan Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2012, 10:31:25 AM »
I would go with 76mm or M48 tank 90mm.  Thinking rapid deployment weight concerns.

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Re: M551 Sheridan Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2012, 10:35:47 AM »
I would go with 76mm or M48 tank 90mm.  Thinking rapid deployment weight concerns.

Maybe, though in my case I am thinking not so much rapid deployability but rather cheapness (hence exportability).  Plus, I don't want those stink in third world dictators (who might be overthrown any day) to have my latest, greatest MBT.

Mind you, that said, I am tending towards the 90mm option.

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Re: M551 Sheridan Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2012, 06:52:58 PM »
The Sheridan turret has a shot trap problem, especially round the back.  But do what the Israelis do and hang a curtain of chains across.  I think they did that on the rear of the Merkava's turret.
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Re: M551 Sheridan Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2012, 01:13:47 AM »
How about a complete imported turret, such as a GIAT FL-10/FL-11 (AMX-13 type) or the later TS-90 (Panhard ERC-90 turret - don't know if there's a kit though).

Hobbyboss do LAV-150s with a MECAR and Cockerill 90mm gun turrets: how about those?
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Re: M551 Sheridan Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2012, 11:35:49 AM »
Wasn't a project combining Sheridan hull with Stingray turret entered into the Armored Gun System programme?

I was thinking of combining the suspension and roadwheel scheme of M56 Scorpion or even Lorraine 40t with the Sheridan though.  And yeah, a 90mm gun.
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Re: M551 Sheridan Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2012, 06:11:12 PM »
Real world M551 under trial by Australian Army:



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Re: M551 Sheridan Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2012, 08:53:17 PM »
One wonders if my brother Blackhats would have preferred the Sheridan over the Bucket.  Certainly more firepower & agility, but would we have wanted the issues the vehicle had?

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Re: M551 Sheridan Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2012, 07:24:29 AM »
Real world M551 concepts:












Seems I doubled up the pics here and left one out.
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Re: M551 Sheridan Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2013, 01:29:51 PM »
Old topic but with the woulda coulda shoulda build I began thinking along the lines of a 35, 40 or even 50mm Autocannon armed Sheridan

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Re: M551 Sheridan Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2013, 04:25:05 PM »
Old topic but with the woulda coulda shoulda build I began thinking along the lines of a 35, 40 or even 50mm Autocannon armed Sheridan

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Re: M551 Sheridan Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2013, 10:31:43 PM »
That one with the short 105mm howitzer looks like a goer: a US equivalent of the 2S9 Nona http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2S9_Nona
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Re: M551 Sheridan Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2013, 01:15:49 AM »
Maybe armed with a 60 mm HVMS gun?
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Re: M551 Sheridan Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #15 on: July 08, 2013, 01:32:26 AM »
Maybe armed with a 60 mm HVMS gun?


Thinking the same thing almost.  A main gun of 57mm that was auto-loading/rapid fire like the Bofors 57mm that was used on the Combat Support vehicle based on the Marder IFV.  The 60mm would work just as well but that was developed much later.  So maybe as an "upgrade" to the Sheridan perhaps?  I had an idea for a 75mm or 76mm armed Sheridan but I can not find a suitable turret to replace that lopsided POS that comes in the kit. 


BTW, the 105mm howitzer turret Sheridan could be done if you can find the  resin LVTH-6 turret conversion for the AFV Club LVTP-5 kit.  There are currently two resin conversions available and it is reported to be a complete LVTH-6 kit coming soon from AFV Club (Hobby Fan). 


CyberModeler Masterpiece Models LVTH-6 Conversion Product review
Aircraft Resource Center - Robin Model resin 1:35th scale LVTH-6 conversion for the AFV Club LVTP-5
Philippine Defense Forum - LVTH-6 conversions for the AFV Club LVTP-5
Hobby Link Japan - Masterpiece Models resin 1:35th scale LVTH-6 turret conversion for the AFV Club LVTP-5
HobbyEasy - Robin Model resin 1:35th scale LVTH-6 conversion for the AFV Club LVTP-5
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Re: M551 Sheridan Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #16 on: July 08, 2013, 02:23:09 AM »
Seems I left one out on the previous page...it's now there.  Can you spot it?
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Re: M551 Sheridan Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #17 on: July 08, 2013, 07:10:27 AM »
Maybe armed with a 60 mm HVMS gun?


Thinking the same thing almost.  A main gun of 57mm that was auto-loading/rapid fire like the Bofors 57mm that was used on the Combat Support vehicle based on the Marder IFV.  The 60mm would work just as well but that was developed much later.  So maybe as an "upgrade" to the Sheridan perhaps?  I had an idea for a 75mm or 76mm armed Sheridan but I can not find a suitable turret to replace that lopsided POS that comes in the kit. 


BTW, the 105mm howitzer turret Sheridan could be done if you can find the  resin LVTH-6 turret conversion for the AFV Club LVTP-5 kit.  There are currently two resin conversions available and it is reported to be a complete LVTH-6 kit coming soon from AFV Club (Hobby Fan). 


CyberModeler Masterpiece Models LVTH-6 Conversion Product review
Aircraft Resource Center - Robin Model resin 1:35th scale LVTH-6 conversion for the AFV Club LVTP-5
Philippine Defense Forum - LVTH-6 conversions for the AFV Club LVTP-5
Hobby Link Japan - Masterpiece Models resin 1:35th scale LVTH-6 turret conversion for the AFV Club LVTP-5
HobbyEasy - Robin Model resin 1:35th scale LVTH-6 conversion for the AFV Club LVTP-5


Thanks for the links Jeff. Now to figure out a scenario for a 105 version.
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Re: M551 Sheridan Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #18 on: July 08, 2013, 08:10:53 AM »
Maybe armed with a 60 mm HVMS gun?


BTW, the 105mm howitzer turret Sheridan could be done if you can find the  resin LVTH-6 turret conversion for the AFV Club LVTP-5 kit.  There are currently two resin conversions available and it is reported to be a complete LVTH-6 kit coming soon from AFV Club (Hobby Fan). 


CyberModeler Masterpiece Models LVTH-6 Conversion Product review
Aircraft Resource Center - Robin Model resin 1:35th scale LVTH-6 conversion for the AFV Club LVTP-5
Philippine Defense Forum - LVTH-6 conversions for the AFV Club LVTP-5
Hobby Link Japan - Masterpiece Models resin 1:35th scale LVTH-6 turret conversion for the AFV Club LVTP-5
HobbyEasy - Robin Model resin 1:35th scale LVTH-6 conversion for the AFV Club LVTP-5


That turret's very similar, but it's not the same:

1. The Sheridan turret has a flat top surface right to the back, but the LVTH-6 one is chamfered at the back of the bustle.

2. The Sheridan turret has a flat glacis plate but the LVTH-6 one is rounded.

Having said that, there's no reason in whiff-world why you couldn't put the LVTH-6 turret on the Sheridan anyway and whifjitsu the back story to match. Maybe they decided they wanted the Sheridan 105 but the budgets were tight so they adapted the LVTH-6 one instead?

By the way, I LIKE that turret: I've long been an advocate of a "proper" fire support vehicle with a short-barreled howitzer capable of direct or indirect fire.
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Re: M551 Sheridan Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #19 on: July 11, 2013, 08:11:47 AM »
I do wonder what the turret race diameter difference is between the M551 and the LVTH6 is.
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Re: M551 Sheridan Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #20 on: July 28, 2013, 08:17:03 AM »
Had another thought, either a casemate type assault gun / tank destroyer, or an S-Tank type vehicle built on the Sheridan platform to provide DFS and DF / AT to light units.

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Re: M551 Sheridan Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #21 on: July 28, 2013, 08:50:27 AM »
Here's something that just struck me (no idea if it's practical in detail, mind)...

You know how the BMP-3 has a 100mm gun AND a 30mm Autocannon? Well how about a British Sheridan turret that has the Scorpion's low-velocity 76mm gun AND a 30mm RARDEN in a common cradle with say, 45 deg of elevation?
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Re: M551 Sheridan Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #22 on: July 28, 2013, 10:57:08 AM »
Here's something that just struck me (no idea if it's practical in detail, mind)...

You know how the BMP-3 has a 100mm gun AND a 30mm Autocannon? Well how about a British Sheridan turret that has the Scorpion's low-velocity 76mm gun AND a 30mm RARDEN in a common cradle with say, 45 deg of elevation?
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« Reply #23 on: July 28, 2013, 11:02:07 AM »
Or......a 120mm breach loading mortar with an independently elevating 25 or 30mm and a coaxial MG

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Re: M551 Sheridan Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #24 on: July 28, 2013, 11:35:41 AM »
Here's something that just struck me (no idea if it's practical in detail, mind)...

You know how the BMP-3 has a 100mm gun AND a 30mm Autocannon? Well how about a British Sheridan turret that has the Scorpion's low-velocity 76mm gun AND a 30mm RARDEN in a common cradle with say, 45 deg of elevation?

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Re: M551 Sheridan Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #25 on: July 28, 2013, 10:14:14 PM »

BTW, the 105mm howitzer turret Sheridan could be done if you can find the  resin LVTH-6 turret conversion for the AFV Club LVTP-5 kit.  There are currently two resin conversions available and it is reported to be a complete LVTH-6 kit coming soon from AFV Club (Hobby Fan). 

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Philippine Defense Forum - LVTH-6 conversions for the AFV Club LVTP-5
Hobby Link Japan - Masterpiece Models resin 1:35th scale LVTH-6 turret conversion for the AFV Club LVTP-5
HobbyEasy - Robin Model resin 1:35th scale LVTH-6 conversion for the AFV Club LVTP-5



Pocketbond in the UK are showing the AFV Club LVTH-6 as being a future release with artwork and a "2013" flag in the catalogue, so hopefully it should be out before too long. Doubtless it will be expensive, but I'm sure you could think of something to do with the hull once you've nicked the turret for a Sheridan (1/144th scale Moon Crawler: you know you want to.... ;) )

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Re: M551 Sheridan Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #26 on: July 29, 2013, 01:29:48 AM »
BTW, the 105mm howitzer turret Sheridan could be done if you can find the  resin LVTH-6 turret conversion for the AFV Club LVTP-5 kit.  There are currently two resin conversions available and it is reported to be a complete LVTH-6 kit coming soon from AFV Club (Hobby Fan). 

CyberModeler Masterpiece Models LVTH-6 Conversion Product review
Aircraft Resource Center - Robin Model resin 1:35th scale LVTH-6 conversion for the AFV Club LVTP-5
Philippine Defense Forum - LVTH-6 conversions for the AFV Club LVTP-5
Hobby Link Japan - Masterpiece Models resin 1:35th scale LVTH-6 turret conversion for the AFV Club LVTP-5
HobbyEasy - Robin Model resin 1:35th scale LVTH-6 conversion for the AFV Club LVTP-5
Pocketbond in the UK are showing the AFV Club LVTH-6 as being a future release with artwork and a "2013" flag in the catalogue, so hopefully it should be out before too long. Doubtless it will be expensive, but I'm sure you could think of something to do with the hull once you've nicked the turret for a Sheridan (1/144th scale Moon Crawler: you know you want to.... ;) )

http://www.pocketbond.co.uk/Product.aspx?ID=3544
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Gun turret on a moon crawler?  Not sure I want to pursue something like that.  Maybe you can take up that challenge :)
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Re: M551 Sheridan Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #27 on: January 06, 2016, 12:36:02 PM »
Hi, I'm a new member and while checking out the site, I came across this thread. The Sheridan is near and dear to me. I was with 3/73 armor battalion when the 82nd retired it. I can honestly claim to be one of the last people to drive one on active duty. I haven't built a tank since I was a kid but I have a couple of M551's in the stash just because I couldn't resist. After looking at some ideas, I can say I might be inspired to give armor...sorry,  armour, another shot. I think I already have an idea for my 72nd scale Sheridan.  :)
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« Reply #28 on: January 06, 2016, 02:04:03 PM »
Hi Craig, welcome to the forums. 

Since you were at Fort Bragg, do you happen to recall the image of a turretless M551 armed with a 25mm Bushmaster that was hanging in the Central Issue Facility?  First and only time I have ever seen a Sheridan without a turret being used for something other than its original purpose. 
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Re: M551 Sheridan Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #29 on: January 07, 2016, 02:07:24 AM »
Hmmm......
M551 with a 25 mm gun? Now you have my brain cranking away again!
Let's say the M551s were sold off to a third world country with out the pos gun it started with. Then upgraded for infantry support in COIN type ops. Just my $0.02 worth!

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Re: M551 Sheridan Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #30 on: January 07, 2016, 02:51:30 AM »
I plan to do one with a 90mm gun in service with some Sth American or African regime. I would imagine it would look somewhat similar to this real world one with a 76mm gun:



There was also these ones with a 105mm gun:


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Re: M551 Sheridan Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #31 on: January 07, 2016, 09:32:12 AM »
Hmmm......
M551 with a 25 mm gun? Now you have my brain cranking away again!
Let's say the M551s were sold off to a third world country with out the pos gun it started with. Then upgraded for infantry support in COIN type ops. Just my $0.02 worth!

Central Issue Facility is one of the last places you see before leaving for another assignment and it was odd to see an image of this M551 sans turret armed with the 25mm Bushmaster.  It was a winter setting as there was snow on the ground and the troops were wearing winter/arctic camouflage.  I doubt the vehicle was operated at Fort Bragg so it may have been in Alaska at the winter warfare training center where the "In Action" image was taken.  Nonetheless, it was unique and one of those things I search for on-line every once in a while just to see if something pops up.  So far, no joy.
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Re: M551 Sheridan Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #32 on: January 07, 2016, 11:02:22 AM »
Sorry Jeffry, I don't recall that picture in CIF. I was there from 95-97. Was it hanging in that time frame?
 I was thinking of doing an upgraded Sheridan with a 105, ERA and maybe an M1 style weapon station for the tc to replace the bolt on "chicken box". It would be insurance against the cancellation of the XM8 (which was in fact cancelled).
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Re: M551 Sheridan Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #33 on: January 07, 2016, 12:50:38 PM »
Sorry Jeffry, I don't recall that picture in CIF. I was there from 95-97. Was it hanging in that time frame?
 I was thinking of doing an upgraded Sheridan with a 105, ERA and maybe an M1 style weapon station for the tc to replace the bolt on "chicken box". It would be insurance against the cancellation of the XM8 (which was in fact cancelled).

Hi Craig, last time I saw that Sheridan sans turret image was in 1988 when I transferred with 5SFGA to Fort Campbell, KY.  From what I remember of the image it had been on the wall for a very long time. 

I have a love-hate relationship with the M551.  Always trying to come up with a better idea for the model as a what-if leaves me looking at the M41 Walker Bulldog being the better option ;)
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Re: M551 Sheridan Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #34 on: January 08, 2016, 02:47:55 AM »
How about a M551 with 30mm Rarden cannon or similar?

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Re: M551 Sheridan Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #35 on: January 08, 2016, 11:50:28 AM »
An Australian Army version deployed in Vietnam using a Saladin turret, followed by an updated version with a Scorpion turret instead of the M-113 based FSV, later MRV and perhaps a LRV version with the Rarden as suggested above instead of the Cadillac Gage T-50.

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Re: M551 Sheridan Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #36 on: January 09, 2016, 01:09:10 PM »
Honestly, a lot of guys in 3/73 had a love-hate relationship with the Sheridan. You sign up to be a scout in the airborne and they put you on a 30 year old baby tank that was constantly breaking down. The 82nd was an infantry division first and our main mission was to give direct fire support, like assault guns. Oftentimes they used us for opfor training as well.
I saw a picture of an M-41 with an old Sheridan turret. A best/worst of both worlds? That could be an interesting kitbash.
Instead of the 30mm Rarden, maybe a 25mm Bushmaster. Or you could try to put a whole Bradley turret on a M551.
I might have to buy a Bradley and Bulldog then do some mix and matching. Although I'm guessing a Bradley turret would be too small to fit on either of the other vehicles.
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Re: M551 Sheridan Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #37 on: January 09, 2016, 01:12:17 PM »
Instead of the 30mm Rarden, maybe a 25mm Bushmaster. Or you could try to put a whole Bradley turret on a M551.
I might have to buy a Bradley and Bulldog then do some mix and matching. Although I'm guessing a Bradley turret would be too small to fit on either of the other vehicles.
And that's where welded-on adapter rings come in.  Fitting a small turret to a larger ring is far easier than trying to fit a large turret to a smaller ring.

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Re: M551 Sheridan Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #38 on: January 10, 2016, 04:26:27 AM »
Or you could try to put a whole Bradley turret on a M551.


Hmmm...a M551 with entire turret (incl TOW missiles) from M2 (see below) would look interesting.  Perhaps done as a update to keep the M551 in service in its original airborne role.



Oftentimes they used us for opfor training as well.

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Re: M551 Sheridan Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #39 on: January 10, 2016, 10:59:25 AM »
When I mentioned a 105 and era, I sketched a mock up that looked a lot like that. After retirement, this is how most of our M551's ended up. D.co (my company) pulled the last active duty training mission with the Sheridan at JRTC, then turned them in to the post to be turned into vizmods (visually modified) and left at Ft. Polk.
 Usually when we did opfor at Ft. Bragg, the only visual changes would be to tape a red star on the turret.
 I bet with a lighter Bradley turret, the Sheridan would have been even more agile. It was already pretty nimble for an older generation vehicle. Plus, the smaller size might actually make it more effective at recon than the Bradley.
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Re: M551 Sheridan Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #40 on: January 10, 2016, 12:40:53 PM »
An OPFOR VisMod group build? Make something look like something else!

A Bradley turret or the turret from a Marine LAV.

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Re: M551 Sheridan Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #41 on: January 18, 2016, 02:57:44 AM »
I kinda like the idea of that Sheridan-based "lightweight MBT".

The Sheridan turret doesn't strike me as lending itself too well to extra armours though.

Attachment: Sheridan with Stingray turret.
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Re: M551 Sheridan Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #42 on: January 19, 2016, 07:46:49 AM »
I kinda like the idea of that Sheridan-based "lightweight MBT".

The Sheridan turret doesn't strike me as lending itself too well to extra armours though.

Attachment: Sheridan with Stingray turret.
The XM8 ags that was supposed to replace the Sheridan had modular armour packages, levels 1-3. Level 1 was the basic tank, Light enough to be transported and air dropped from a C-130. Level 2&3 could be applied on the drop zone or at a later time depending on the level of threat.
 It's interesting to note that almost 20 years after cancellation, the XM8 is being looked at again. As it turns out direct fire support is still needed in light units.
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Re: M551 Sheridan Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #43 on: March 23, 2016, 11:18:16 PM »
Does anyone have a top- or side-view diagram indicating the position of main gun breech and crew in a Sheridan tank turret?
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Re: M551 Sheridan Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #44 on: March 24, 2016, 02:18:17 AM »
Does anyone have a top- or side-view diagram indicating the position of main gun breech and crew in a Sheridan tank turret?

I do.  They are not the best quality though and I will need to scan them.
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Re: M551 Sheridan Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #45 on: March 25, 2016, 06:39:57 AM »
Does anyone have a top- or side-view diagram indicating the position of main gun breech and crew in a Sheridan tank turret?
I have photographs taken inside the turret. Hmmm... I just need to find them.  :-[
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Re: M551 Sheridan Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #46 on: June 11, 2017, 03:50:48 AM »
Random idea:  Wheeled M551
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Re: M551 Sheridan Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #47 on: June 11, 2017, 10:27:38 AM »
Random idea:  Wheeled M551

That would be interesting!!!!
Six wheels or eight?

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Re: M551 Sheridan Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #48 on: June 11, 2017, 07:18:00 PM »
I'm thinking about 6
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Re: M551 Sheridan Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #49 on: June 11, 2017, 07:20:13 PM »
Sounding very AMX 10RC like

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Re: M551 Sheridan Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #50 on: June 12, 2017, 10:18:02 AM »
With wheeled vehicles, you lose substantial amounts of hull volume because of the turning requirements of the wheels, to turn the vehicle.  You can counter that by using skid steer like the AMX-10RC does, however, that comes at substantial costs in the tyres needing to be frequently changed because of the amount of rubber they lose with each turn.  The British experimented with a skid-steer vehicle, the 6x6 Rhino and decided against it, when they were developing the Saracen/Saladin.   Apparently it provides a wild ride but economically doesn't make much sense.   I remember watching the local RAEME Squadron playing with their old Saracen "recovery aide".   It's turning system was shot so the only way they could get it around corners was to skid steer.   No one was allowed to ride in it but watching from outside was scary enough.

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Re: M551 Sheridan Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #51 on: June 14, 2017, 08:46:41 AM »
Are you talking about a Sheridan turret on a wheeled vehicle or putting wheels on the M551 chassis? Putting wheels on the Sheridan hull would be difficult for all the reasons mentioned above. Putting the turret on wheels would also be tough. The recoil of the 152mm was... Excessive. Being in the driver's seat during a gunnery table is a little like being in multiple car crashes in one day. It was enough to raise the front road wheels off the ground whilst firing. I'm not sure how that would translate to a wheeled vehicle. It might be cool to see it on a AMX 10 or Centauro.
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Re: M551 Sheridan Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #52 on: June 14, 2017, 10:39:56 AM »
3D printed MGM-51 Shillelagh missiles for the MBT-70, M60A2, and the M551 Sheridan are now available at Shapeways. 
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Re: M551 Sheridan Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #53 on: June 14, 2017, 11:15:19 AM »
Are you talking about a Sheridan turret on a wheeled vehicle or putting wheels on the M551 chassis? Putting wheels on the Sheridan hull would be difficult for all the reasons mentioned above. Putting the turret on wheels would also be tough. The recoil of the 152mm was... Excessive. Being in the driver's seat during a gunnery table is a little like being in multiple car crashes in one day. It was enough to raise the front road wheels off the ground whilst firing. I'm not sure how that would translate to a wheeled vehicle. It might be cool to see it on a AMX 10 or Centauro.

When the Australian Army tested the early M551 Sheridan for use in their airmobile Division organisation they found the vehicle was too light for the gun.  With the brakes hard on, firing fore/aft the vehicle would still move about a metre.   They weren't willing to fire it athwarts more than once,  it rocked off it's nearside track and in their opinion was in danger of turning turtle.    The Australian Army liked the idea of the M551 and indeed, in their "Division" training pamphlet (manual) it featured as being the standard equipment of the Division reconnaissance squadron for about 8 years before it was reprinted.

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Re: M551 Sheridan Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #54 on: June 14, 2017, 12:24:18 PM »
Are you talking about a Sheridan turret on a wheeled vehicle or putting wheels on the M551 chassis? Putting wheels on the Sheridan hull would be difficult for all the reasons mentioned above. Putting the turret on wheels would also be tough. The recoil of the 152mm was... Excessive. Being in the driver's seat during a gunnery table is a little like being in multiple car crashes in one day. It was enough to raise the front road wheels off the ground whilst firing. I'm not sure how that would translate to a wheeled vehicle. It might be cool to see it on a AMX 10 or Centauro.

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Re: M551 Sheridan Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #55 on: June 15, 2017, 08:43:26 AM »
Are you talking about a Sheridan turret on a wheeled vehicle or putting wheels on the M551 chassis? Putting wheels on the Sheridan hull would be difficult for all the reasons mentioned above. Putting the turret on wheels would also be tough. The recoil of the 152mm was... Excessive. Being in the driver's seat during a gunnery table is a little like being in multiple car crashes in one day. It was enough to raise the front road wheels off the ground whilst firing. I'm not sure how that would translate to a wheeled vehicle. It might be cool to see it on a AMX 10 or Centauro.

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 If you're just talking about kitbashing, then maybe try swapping the entire lower hull out with a 6 wheel job. AMX 10 seems like a good candidate. Saladin is probably too small. Maybe a German Fuchs or a Japanese type 87? Both have affordable kits out there...
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Re: M551 Sheridan Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #56 on: June 16, 2017, 07:04:01 AM »
I'm thinking XM-800 wheeled version with a Sheridan turret.

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Re: M551 Sheridan Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #57 on: June 16, 2017, 01:41:37 PM »
I'm thinking XM-800 wheeled version with a Sheridan turret.

How about the XM-808?



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Re: M551 Sheridan Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #58 on: May 20, 2020, 05:25:31 AM »
Sounding very AMX 10RC like

M551 chassis with a AMX 10RC...sounds straight forward... I like it.
Still to this day I've never understood the US Army's inability/unwant to simple substitute the ridiculous and limited 152mm gun/launcher, and yet continued to deploy it....

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Re: M551 Sheridan Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #59 on: August 07, 2021, 01:55:23 AM »
Ares 75mm gun for M551. IMO much better than that 152mm launcher. At least, crew members look happy ;) ;D




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Re: M551 Sheridan Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #60 on: August 07, 2021, 03:44:01 AM »
I like.
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Re: M551 Sheridan Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #61 on: August 07, 2021, 04:10:49 PM »
I like.

I second that GTX, considering the US Army had no issues with the reliability/maintenance of the M551's chassis/running gear/engine...
One would naturally think this combination of Ares 75mm gun in place of the woeful 152mm gun-launcher and it's heavy/bulky ammunition would make M551 inherently lighter - hence allowing for more much needed armour to be added = better survivability!🤔👍

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Re: M551 Sheridan Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #62 on: August 12, 2021, 03:39:16 AM »

76mm gun M32




This was to use a combustible case round.




Fitted with the larger gun/launcher intended for the MBT70.
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Re: M551 Sheridan Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #63 on: August 13, 2021, 03:08:34 AM »
Cool! With that 90 mm M41 mounted, the Sheridan reminds me of the Swedish IKV-91  :smiley:

If the 105 mm M68 was "installed by the Naval Surface Weapons Center", does that imply potential use by Marine Corps tank companies?

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