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Lockheed A-12 & SR-71 Ideas and Inspiration
« on: March 08, 2013, 02:40:34 AM »
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Re: Lockheed A-12 & SR-71 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2013, 02:42:26 AM »
To start with, what about either fitted with a pair of  Vought ASM-135 ASAT missiles:

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Re: Lockheed A-12 & SR-71 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2013, 02:59:22 AM »
Favorite of mine is the push-pull propeller version posted here in some thread.

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Re: Lockheed A-12 & SR-71 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2013, 02:33:37 PM »






 :icon_punal: Dibs on the Megaforce Stratofortress, I saw it first!  :icon_punal:
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Re: Lockheed A-12 & SR-71 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2013, 03:37:36 PM »

 :icon_punal: Dibs on the Megaforce Stratofortress, I saw it first!  :icon_punal:

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Re: Lockheed A-12 & SR-71 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2013, 09:30:17 PM »
Bruce Craig of www dot thunderjet dot com fame (website no longer in service) has built 3 SR-71s:   A Fed Ex rapid delivery system with a package bay in it's belly, an Evergreen Aviation transport jet that combines a Hasegawa Falcon fuselage top on an extended SR-71 forward fuse, and his latest an even longer version of the same for Team Ferrari.     The build qualities are first rate and bring a spontaneous smile to the faces of those who see them at the shows.
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« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2013, 12:55:41 AM »
Bruce Craig of www dot thunderjet dot com fame (website no longer in service) has built 3 SR-71s:   A Fed Ex rapid delivery system with a package bay in it's belly, an Evergreen Aviation transport jet that combines a Hasegawa Falcon fuselage top on an extended SR-71 forward fuse, and his latest an even longer version of the same for Team Ferrari.     The build qualities are first rate and bring a spontaneous smile to the faces of those who see them at the shows.


They sound great!





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Re: Lockheed A-12 & SR-71 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2013, 01:16:14 AM »
Bruce Craig of www dot thunderjet dot com fame (website no longer in service) has built 3 SR-71s:   A Fed Ex rapid delivery system with a package bay in it's belly, an Evergreen Aviation transport jet that combines a Hasegawa Falcon fuselage top on an extended SR-71 forward fuse, and his latest an even longer version of the same for Team Ferrari.     The build qualities are first rate and bring a spontaneous smile to the faces of those who see them at the shows.


There's an in-progress pic of the Falcon one on his website: http://www.craig777.com/777scalemodels.html
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Re: Lockheed A-12 & SR-71 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2013, 02:45:32 AM »
In 1997, I was at the Edwards AFB open house.

The highlight was a Mach 3 pass by one the NASA SR-71s.  The condensation trail was sporadic but when the SR-71 did a horizon to horizon pass in about 10 seconds, I'd say he was way over the posted speed limit.
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Re: Lockheed A-12 & SR-71 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2013, 03:56:25 AM »
Makes me wonder what kind of payload could be carried in place of that drone......

(A sensor dish or something......?)
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Re: Lockheed A-12 & SR-71 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2013, 05:45:33 AM »
That's crazy talk:


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I seem to recall someone modelling one too
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« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2013, 01:02:21 AM »
I had one of those megaforce toys as a kid ! Actually i had quite a few of those toys "Megaforce vs Triax"  :)

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« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2013, 01:19:00 AM »
I had one of those megaforce toys as a kid ! Actually i had quite a few of those toys "Megaforce vs Triax"  :)


Me too! They have lasted a long time since they are made of metal as well. I found a boxed stratofort on EvilBay for cheap so I bought it so I could Fly it around the room making woosh noises since I never had it as a kid For first hand research.

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« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2013, 01:22:05 AM »
I have a load of the lil metal ones still too.. same reason cos they've lasted. Theyre in a tub underneath my model desk as it happens.. lol

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Re: Lockheed A-12 & SR-71 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2013, 06:17:48 PM »
I remember reading ages ago that a strike version of the SR-71 was proposed using solid, hypersonic free fall bombs.  The idea was the solid bombs hitting the target at hypersonic speed would do more damage than a conventional frag bomb.

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« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2013, 07:06:43 PM »
Well there were a number of B-71 proposals.
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« Reply #17 on: March 13, 2013, 07:11:25 PM »
Something that just screams to be modelled:

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« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2013, 07:36:45 PM »
Sweet

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« Reply #19 on: March 14, 2013, 01:31:25 AM »
RATO units can be sourced from the Lindberg Snark for a 1:48th scale effort.  Not sure if the Revell box-scale Snark RATO units would be suitable for a 1:72nd scale attempt.  Then of course you have the opportunity to create a ZELL version if you wish. :)
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Re: Lockheed A-12 & SR-71 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #20 on: March 18, 2013, 07:24:00 AM »
I have a load of the lil metal ones still too.. same reason cos they've lasted. Theyre in a tub underneath my model desk as it happens.. lol

I still have a couple of the lil metal V-ROC VTOLs. Don't remember what happened to the rest.  :(

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« Reply #21 on: April 20, 2013, 05:18:17 AM »
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« Reply #22 on: April 21, 2013, 12:24:03 AM »
Oxcart with a drone developed to current day standards.
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« Reply #23 on: June 06, 2013, 06:50:07 AM »
Why not one refitted to boost an ASAT/ABM-launcher version of the X-15? Add a little relative flexibility in mopping up  what the Alaska-based and seaborne Tier 3 Aegis installations miss...

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« Reply #24 on: June 06, 2013, 10:42:24 AM »
Why not one refitted to boost an ASAT/ABM-launcher version of the X-15? Add a little relative flexibility in mopping up  what the Alaska-based and seaborne Tier 3 Aegis installations miss...
I think the relative sizes would be a bit problematical there.  How about a direct ASAT/ABM launcher version?

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« Reply #25 on: June 06, 2013, 10:54:52 AM »
That works too, Evan--I thought X-15 was about the size of a D-21 and an ASAT was about the size of X-15A-2's drop tanks, and was thinking that by adding an intermediate "booster stage"  that'd expand the safety margin for knockdown.

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« Reply #26 on: June 06, 2013, 11:44:40 AM »
That works too, Evan--I thought X-15 was about the size of a D-21 and an ASAT was about the size of X-15A-2's drop tanks, and was thinking that by adding an intermediate "booster stage"  that'd expand the safety margin for knockdown.
Check the numbers, I think the X-15 is a bit larger than that.  Of course, I like the ABM that was to be deployed from the Ultimate Arrow (with ramjet pods et al.), it was derived from the upper stage of a Nike Zeus.  Mind you, if that ABM could fit the Arrow's weapons bay pod and deploy, it likely could fit in the F-12's weapons bays or equivalent on other variants.
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« Reply #27 on: August 15, 2013, 04:01:46 AM »
It'll probably never happen, but an Air Force General says we need something like the Blackbird again:
http://www.omaha.com/article/20130813/NEWS/130819673/1685
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« Reply #28 on: August 15, 2013, 09:00:14 PM »
odd that this thread resurfaced today, I was only just watching a program on the Military Channel last night all about Oxcart with some new declassified film footage added (according to the commentator that is)

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« Reply #30 on: January 26, 2014, 04:03:59 AM »
Somehow, the idea of fabric wings on this just doesn't work.  ;D
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Depends what sort of fabric...
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« Reply #33 on: September 27, 2014, 12:22:36 PM »
Mashing Blackbirds with Teen series fighters:
Inspired by JoseFern's work, who pixel-bashed an F/A-18 with an SR-71. Wanted to see how the others might look.
My idea was to use 1/72 Teen fighters with a smaller-scale Blackbird, but it seems there's no 1/100-ish Blackbird.  :icon_punal: Also no 1/200 Blackbird to use 1/144 fighters with.  :icon_twisted: But I suppose the 1/48 crowd could use a 1/72 Blackbird with a fighter of choice.



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« Reply #34 on: September 27, 2014, 12:56:07 PM »
What, no A-10?!?

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« Reply #35 on: September 29, 2014, 11:17:10 AM »
Love those profiles for kitbashes.
A-10 nose would be different.
There is a 1/110 SR-71 kit.  Monogram or Revell I think.

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« Reply #36 on: September 29, 2014, 12:51:55 PM »
 ;D Never even thought of the Hog. Anything with SR-71 ancestry looks so much "interceptor" that I just didn't think of the A-10.
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« Reply #37 on: October 02, 2014, 04:26:21 AM »
Some of those (especially the F-16 mash) look a bit like some of the early ATF artists' impressions.
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« Reply #38 on: October 02, 2014, 04:53:36 AM »
but it seems there's no 1/100-ish Blackbird.  :icon_punal: Also no 1/200


According to the 'Big Book', Monogram and Revell did/does a 1/110 one, and a company called Diko-Rama did a 1/160 one and Lindberg did a 1/184 one

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« Reply #39 on: October 02, 2014, 05:33:09 AM »
There's a couple of 1/110 ones on eBay at the moment.
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« Reply #40 on: December 07, 2014, 10:53:20 PM »
Excellent youtube video explaining how the J-58s work in an understandable way, but without dumbing-down:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3ao5SCedIk
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« Reply #41 on: December 08, 2014, 01:43:27 AM »
Excellent youtube video explaining how the J-58s work in an understandable way, but without dumbing-down:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3ao5SCedIk
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« Reply #42 on: December 09, 2014, 07:12:25 AM »
I found these on the Aircraft Engine Historical Society website:

Peter Law - SR-71 Propulsion System; P&W J58 Engine (JT11D-20) (4.3M PDF)
Peter Law - SR-71 Propulsion System; P&W J58 Engine (JT11D-20) Presentation Video, Courtesy of and Copyright by the Rolls-Royce Heritage Trust (Caution: 351 MB .wmv)

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How Supersonic Inlets Work (3.9M PDF) by J. Thomas Anderson

Some of the drawings used in Pete Law's presentation are from this paper by Tom Anderson, who joined the Lockheed Skunk Works in 1963, fresh out of college. Working for Ben Rich on the SR-71, he learned the craft of mixed-compression supersonic inlets from Dave Campbell, who holds a patent covering the inlet system used on Lockheed Blackbirds. The AEHS is very pleased to publish Tom's paper on the design and operation of SR-71 mixed compression inlets. An additional resource is Robert Abernethy's patent covering the Pratt & Whitney J58 bypass system.
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« Reply #43 on: December 06, 2015, 07:46:02 AM »
How could YF-12/A-12 be modified in order to convert it in a low level bomber?

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« Reply #44 on: December 06, 2015, 07:54:27 AM »
How could YF-12/A-12 be modified in order to convert it in a low level bomber?


Here are some of Lockheed's B-71 proposals using SRAMs and B-61s:


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« Reply #45 on: December 06, 2015, 08:34:05 AM »
There is discussion about this the over at Secret Project. Lots of charts on performance and various options.

Here's some info on a few unbuilt SENIOR CROWN variations:

SR-71I

30 September 1980 iteration:
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1 November 1982 iteration:
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SR-71(Bx) (1976)

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« Reply #46 on: December 07, 2015, 02:56:32 AM »
Some Comic book action:

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« Reply #47 on: December 07, 2015, 09:30:42 AM »
Ah, so the Blackbirds were actually extra atmospheric interceptors that the government pretended were reconnaissance aircraft to prevent the inevitable panic if the general public realised we were at war with alien invaders?

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« Reply #48 on: December 08, 2015, 10:13:34 AM »
I think they're F-12s. The "secret" is that they actually entered service.

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« Reply #49 on: December 11, 2015, 04:30:57 AM »
Those HAVE to be F-12s.
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« Reply #50 on: December 11, 2015, 09:03:45 AM »
Imagine if they did enter service as a silver bullet force, like the F-22, but were also made available to the closest of allies.

I recall reading that a substantial amount of titanium used in the SR-71s fabrication was sourced from the USSR, a production run of two to three hundred F-12s would need much more titanium and hence much greater effort in exploiting western reserves and developing more efficient and affordable extraction techniques, perhaps led by Australia's CSIRO, the Australian government being keep to exploit natural reserves and further strengthen strategic defence ties to the US.

End result, a cheaper but still expensive F-12 built in reasonable numbers (1000+?), attack / penetration versions developed. And of course this being me, an Australian silver bullet force of two fighter and one attack squadrons.

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« Reply #51 on: December 11, 2015, 12:44:40 PM »
Given the similarities between the original J58-P-2 and the Gyron, I could see a Gyron Major with the same changes as made to produce a J58-P-20 as fitted to the various A-12/F-12/SR-71 variants, and fitted to a British variant (SR-71K?).

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« Reply #52 on: April 16, 2018, 06:38:19 AM »
Found on Facebook.  Lockheed L-1271-6 Blackbird Bizjet (version 1)

1/48 Testors SR-71 as a Lockheed L-1271-6 “what-if” six-passenger bizjet in Evergreen Aviation scheme.





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Re: Lockheed A-12 & SR-71 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #53 on: April 16, 2018, 07:08:04 AM »
Is charming  :-*

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Re: Lockheed A-12 & SR-71 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #54 on: April 16, 2018, 08:23:56 AM »
That is by far the best thing I have seen yet for a what-if Lockheed SR-71/YF-12.
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Re: Lockheed A-12 & SR-71 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #55 on: April 16, 2018, 07:18:01 PM »
That's cool! 8)
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Re: Lockheed A-12 & SR-71 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #56 on: April 17, 2018, 01:39:00 AM »
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Re: Lockheed A-12 & SR-71 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #57 on: April 27, 2018, 11:02:03 PM »
Bruce also made a FedEx variant.   And if I recall correctly, there is a transport for Ferrari in Agip colors.
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Re: Lockheed A-12 & SR-71 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #58 on: May 15, 2018, 07:14:27 PM »
An article in Swedish about a Viggen Pilot who intercepted an SR-71 as it violated Swedish air space as part of the Baltic Express missions.



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Not sure if this photo been up on the web before. Provided by Viggen pilot Per-Olof Eldh to Vi Menn. SR-71 with engine problems during #Baltic mission. Briefly violated Swedish airspace. (1977-1988 Viggen pilots came within firing range on 51 occasions)

Unstart? Note the right engine afterburner nozzle is fully open. 

Similar English version here but without the photo: https://theaviationgeekclub.com/viggen-vs-blackbird-swedish-air-force-ja-37-fighter-pilots-able-achieve-radar-lock-legendary-sr-71-mach-3-spy-plane/

Not sure if this is the Bodo Express. Cannot make out the tail number. Bodo Express was 964.
https://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/that-time-an-sr-71-made-an-emergency-landing-in-norway-1765436508
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