Author Topic: M26 and M46 Pershing, M47, M48, M60 Patton, and M103 Family of Vehicles  (Read 37684 times)

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Images of a 'Super' Pershing With Add-On Armor built by Martin Kovac have been made available for viewing at Missing Lynx in the Constructive Comments Forum


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Some really nice detail work on that model.  Certainly looks as if it has been someplace other than the motor pool. 
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Re: M26 and M46 Pershing, M47, M48, M60 Patton, and M103 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2012, 08:24:50 AM »
Definitely nice detail work - very realistic.  Thanks for posting.
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Paul A. Owen posted this question on the forum at Track-Link in this topic titled M26 in British Service:

Paul askes the question:
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In "The Universal Tank" by David Fletcher, he states that the British had ordered 500 M26 and received a "handful" at the end of the war. Although they were not used in service like the ones in the US Army were.

There is one photograph showing an M26 with the serial number "T345711".

Is there any other information on these few British M26 around?


Kurt Laughlin's reply:
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The Ordnance records show only six had been sent to the UK by V-J Day. I doubt they were used for anything but testing.

KL


Some definite what-if potential for Pershings in British, Canadian, and other Commonwealth markings. 
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Most definitely!
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M46E1

Mid-Life Upgrade for what-if export M26 and M46?
« Last Edit: May 16, 2012, 09:11:14 AM by dy031101 »
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A timely thread for me since I have a What If M26 based tank currently stuck in development hell on the table behind me. I know what I want to do and I have the kits to it but the past few weeks have been non-stop Real Life™ for me.

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I wonder how well a long barreled 105mm would fit onto an M26 or M46.
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I wonder how well a long barreled 105mm would fit onto an M26 or M46.

I wonder how much more room the M26 turret has compared to the T23 (they have the same turret ring size).  T23, which ended up being used by the M4 Sherman, can accommodate up to the lower-powered French 105mm/L44.
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IIRC, the Spanish installed 105 mm L7/M68 in their final upgrade of the M47. Of course, the turret ring is a bit larger than on the M26/M46 but hey, it might still work.
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IIRC, the Spanish installed 105 mm L7/M68 in their final upgrade of the M47. Of course, the turret ring is a bit larger than on the M26/M46 but hey, it might still work.
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M46E1 uses the same T42 turret on the M47, so......
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This wild thought came into my head today. An SP assault gun based off of an M26. When I get home from the road next month,I will see if it is possible to mate the superstructure on my Eastern Express SU-152 onto the hull of the M26.
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I wonder how well a long barreled 105mm would fit onto an M26 or M46.

 There were a couple of late-war/post-war experiments with turreted 105 & 155* mm guns on
 what I think was a lengthened M26 chassis ( one extra roadwheel ) , but I'm at work and don't
 have my reference books.

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Re: M26 and M46 Pershing, M47, M48, M60 Patton, and M103 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2012, 09:19:43 PM »
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Well since GTX brought up the idea of 152mm gun from MBT-70......

What of a "Starship Perfect" with XM150 improved as suggested by Jeffry Fontaine?  Might even use a simplified MBT-70 turret (no driver's position or remote AA cannon) for the bigger gun.

Or we can make the turret XM1-inspired.  Or just 120S with that 152mm gun......  :icon_music:
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Re: M26 and M46 Pershing, M47, M48, M60 Patton, and M103 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2012, 02:43:16 AM »
From a survivability perspective, it would be tactically sound to use the same turret as the standard tank to get rid of that signature look that identifies you as the higher threat in any engagement.  Use the standard turret and all of the normal features to help it blend in with the rest of the tribe and not stand out as the target to be engaged first.  I was never impressed with the M60A2 turret and it did nothing to improve on creature comforts inside with the reduction in internal volume.  Humping ammunition that is heavy and bulky from the storage container to the breech means you need room to maneuver the ammunition (and Shillelagh missile) inside the turret in order to not bang it off the walls before it is loaded and fired. 

There was an image in one reference book showing the 152mm gun/missile launcher mounted in what appeared to be a standard M48 turret which demonstrates that there was no special requirements to adapt the ordnance to the mount as it seems to have fit without any major modifications. 
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Re: M26 and M46 Pershing, M47, M48, M60 Patton, and M103 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2012, 11:23:38 AM »
There was an image in one reference book showing the 152mm gun/missile launcher mounted in what appeared to be a standard M48 turret which demonstrates that there was no special requirements to adapt the ordnance to the mount as it fit within the existing dimensions with minimal modifications.

That the one?

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