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Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
« on: December 28, 2011, 04:23:50 AM »
Hi folks,

Anyone who knows me knows that I like UAVs and related - therefore I thought I might start a thread dedicated to UAVs/UCAVs etc.  Either dedicated or conversions welcome.

To begin with, I thought I might post a Uninhabited Super Hornet.  Given the apparent dislike by many of the RAAF's SH acquisition, what if they go one further in the future and convert their F/A-18Fs into QF/A-18Fs?



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Re: Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2011, 04:24:11 AM »
Continuing with the "how to irritate people theme", how about a Spitfire UAV:



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Re: Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2011, 04:24:35 AM »
Of course, Russia might also want to play:



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Re: Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2011, 04:25:09 AM »
Russia might also have a use for a uninhabited CAS aircraft:



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Re: Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2011, 04:25:25 AM »
With the F-22/35 entering service, what to do with those F-15s?



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Re: Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2011, 04:25:42 AM »
And one can't leave the USN out of the picture:



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Re: Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2011, 04:26:25 AM »
And with the Rafale not selling so well, maybe an uninhabited variant would be worth a go:



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Re: Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2011, 04:26:45 AM »
Tornado GR.5 for the FOAS role anyone:



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Re: Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2011, 04:27:35 AM »
And let's not forget the OCDF's QF-111G "Terminator Pigs" (as used in the Whaling Wars):



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Re: Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2011, 04:28:02 AM »
With the Hawk's days coming to a close (apparently), maybe its time to go uninhabited:



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Re: Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2011, 04:28:48 AM »
Don't like the idea of Kamikaze's, well maybe this is for you:



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Re: Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2011, 04:29:39 AM »
Maybe after losing the ATF contest Northrop decide to develop the YF-23 into a UCAV:



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Re: Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
« Reply #12 on: December 28, 2011, 04:30:17 AM »
Not to be left behind, the QF-22 upgrade:



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Re: Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
« Reply #13 on: December 28, 2011, 04:31:13 AM »
What to do with old Skyhawks?? Turn them into UCAVs!!!



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Re: Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
« Reply #14 on: December 28, 2011, 04:31:38 AM »
and old MiGs:



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Re: Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
« Reply #15 on: December 28, 2011, 04:32:09 AM »
The Autonomously Piloted Assault Transport:



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Re: Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
« Reply #16 on: December 28, 2011, 04:32:54 AM »
Cool X-47B UCAS-D Video: 
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Re: Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
« Reply #17 on: December 28, 2011, 04:33:42 AM »
What if Boeing decided to turn the X-32 into a UCAV:



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Re: Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
« Reply #18 on: December 28, 2011, 04:36:13 AM »
In 2009, the USAF (later followed my other Air Forces), decided that using manned crews for transport aircraft was a waste - the missions were fairly straight forward (Take off - Fly - Land) and highly trained crews could be better used elsewhere.  Most transport aircraft such as the existing C-17s etc were converted to be optionally manned.  The most radical change though was the QC-130H - these were already being refurbished so it was decided to save further weight by removing the unnecessary cockpit:



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Re: Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
« Reply #19 on: December 28, 2011, 04:37:04 AM »
For some reason, the AH-64 just screams to be made into a UCAR:



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Re: Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
« Reply #20 on: December 28, 2011, 04:38:10 AM »
Given the Unmanned Little Bird has been developed from competing the OH-6 Cayuse/MD500 family, I'm surprised this hasn't already been developed.



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Re: Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
« Reply #21 on: December 28, 2011, 04:38:37 AM »
A little tidbit that might be of use for whiffing purposes:  the entire Eagle Eye project (including full development and production rights) was on offer to Australia as part of Bell's AIR87 (eventually won by the Eurocopter Tiger) offer with the AH-1Z Viper/SuperCobra.

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Re: Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
« Reply #22 on: December 28, 2011, 04:39:30 AM »
Sorry, couldn't resist:



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Re: Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
« Reply #23 on: December 28, 2011, 04:40:32 AM »
UA-10D:




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Re: Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
« Reply #24 on: December 28, 2011, 04:42:01 AM »
Needed to be done:



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Re: Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
« Reply #25 on: December 28, 2011, 04:43:24 AM »
More inspiration:



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Re: Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
« Reply #26 on: December 28, 2011, 04:43:59 AM »
Lockheed Martin UCAV Concept (from CodeOne):



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Re: Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
« Reply #27 on: December 28, 2011, 04:44:44 AM »
Did I mention that I like UAVs?



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Re: Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
« Reply #28 on: December 28, 2011, 04:45:15 AM »
You have to give it to the Chinese for developing a very attractive, joined wing UAV!





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« Reply #29 on: December 28, 2011, 01:28:23 PM »
Good ideas.  Like looking at the postings here.
Say it is luft 46 time.  How about a B-29 carrying a P-51B unmanned flying bomb under each wing?  The D and H models are now the fighters.
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« Reply #30 on: December 28, 2011, 02:26:49 PM »
 This thread makes me cry and shudder and scream in fear, loathing and disgust on so many levels...

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« Reply #31 on: December 28, 2011, 02:39:30 PM »



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« Reply #32 on: January 12, 2012, 04:13:45 AM »
Well, I know what I'm doing with my Testors 1/72 F-19...some chopping and shaping and I'll have a nice 1/48 UCAV! Thanks for the inspiration!

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« Reply #33 on: January 12, 2012, 05:37:47 AM »
One aircraft I have never liked the canopy on is the Meteor F.1.  So when the CyberHobby kit was put on an aggressive sale, I included it in the order for the express purpose of making it a UAV.

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« Reply #34 on: January 12, 2012, 12:20:06 PM »
That YF-23 looks perfect as a UCAV!  :-*
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« Reply #35 on: January 12, 2012, 06:06:08 PM »
Well, I know what I'm doing with my Testors 1/72 F-19...some chopping and shaping and I'll have a nice 1/48 UCAV! Thanks for the inspiration!

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« Reply #36 on: January 12, 2012, 09:08:11 PM »
Some of my UCAV photo montages were extremely close to Greg's artwork although I had not seen it at the time.
I'm reposting here stuff previously seen in other topics (or other sites)... all of which may further inspire some of you to tackle those pilotless designs and turn them to plastic for our enjoyment...

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« Reply #37 on: January 12, 2012, 09:09:20 PM »
The Mikoyan MiG-29RV « Fulcrum-Q » (excuse the bad Russian):
 
 
 
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« Reply #38 on: January 12, 2012, 09:10:10 PM »
The Lockheed Martin QF-35D Lightning II UCAV:

 

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« Reply #39 on: January 12, 2012, 09:11:03 PM »
The Sukhoi Su-27RV « Flanker-Q »:

 

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« Reply #40 on: January 12, 2012, 09:12:15 PM »
The Bell 459 Marine Cobra UAV:

 
 

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The Raytheon YQT-6E Texas Twister:

 
 

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The Lockheed XQ-6 (based upon the LeVier Cosmic Wind):
 

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The Vought XKD6U-1 Plunderer (based upon the F6U Pirate):

 

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« Reply #44 on: January 12, 2012, 09:15:45 PM »
The Northrop P-800 Viper (based upon the YF-17 Cobra):


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The Raytheon YQT-6E Texas Twister:

 


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« Reply #46 on: January 13, 2012, 02:42:04 AM »
To train of course....gotta train those electronics...

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The Bell 459 Marine Cobra UAV:
It would probably need a larger fairing where the canopy is now to hold the necessary avionics for unmanned operation (either UAV or UCAV).

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« Reply #50 on: January 16, 2012, 09:10:59 AM »
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« Reply #51 on: January 16, 2012, 09:20:48 AM »
Greg, is that a pod under the wing of the Global Hawk?  I wasn't aware the type was stressed to carry stores under the wings.

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« Reply #52 on: January 16, 2012, 10:41:45 AM »
The initial Block wasn't, though I believe that capability has been added to subsequent Blocks to allow more versatility in equipment fit and usage.

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« Reply #53 on: January 16, 2012, 03:54:08 PM »
The German variant (shown) also known as the EuroHawk is a variant of the RQ-4B and is equipped for the SIGINT role.  It has 6 wing mounted pods, for this equipment.
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« Reply #54 on: January 16, 2012, 08:49:59 PM »
Six hardpoints seems like a lot for a UAV, but secret squirrels do tend towards the lumpy-bumpy look.  Is there a proposal floating about for an MPA variant?  I'm sure the odd pylon or two wouldn't go astray there.

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« Reply #55 on: January 17, 2012, 02:09:57 AM »
They aren't so much hard point in that they carry/could carry weapons but rather are there to carry the sensor elements to support the SIGINT package.

Re a MPA variant, essentially that is what the BAMS derivative the USN is acquiring as the MQ-4C to compliment the P-8 is.  Same thing Australia is possibly going to do.

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« Reply #56 on: January 17, 2012, 05:37:15 AM »
Ah ok.  No integral strike capability then I'm assuming?

What's the procedure if the BAMS aircraft finds something nasty?  I'm assuming it vectors a strike aircraft to the area to prosecute the target?  And does that mean that the RAAF would use it as its only MPA platform rather than in concert with Poseidon?

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« Reply #57 on: January 17, 2012, 03:23:25 PM »
Ah ok.  No integral strike capability then I'm assuming?

What's the procedure if the BAMS aircraft finds something nasty?  I'm assuming it vectors a strike aircraft to the area to prosecute the target?  And does that mean that the RAAF would use it as its only MPA platform rather than in concert with Poseidon?

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The RAAF plans are covered by Project AIR7000 - in short both manned and unmanned platforms will be used to compliment each other.  The UAV might be better thought of as allow altitude satellite.
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« Reply #58 on: January 17, 2012, 08:54:45 PM »
Ah okies.  So they do want the Poseidon.  Shouldn't be too much of a problem with Wedgetail already in service.  I suspect there'd be some commonality there.

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« Reply #59 on: February 27, 2012, 11:54:24 AM »
Found this in San Diego Air and Space Museum's latest photo uploads on Flickr.



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« Reply #60 on: February 27, 2012, 03:40:38 PM »
Nice - I have seen that uav somewhere before...just can't remember where.
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I like that last one Logan posted from the SD Air & Space link...lots of possibilities there to whiff...

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« Reply #63 on: March 10, 2012, 09:03:37 AM »
A Sea Vixen with no cockpit would look great.   If the Airfix kit wasn't so costly I'd do it.
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« Reply #64 on: May 04, 2012, 04:02:40 AM »
Some nice X-47B pics posted by seruriermarshal over on Secretprojects:




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« Reply #66 on: June 08, 2012, 04:14:04 PM »
A new article, including pictures about the RAAF's UAV programme in Afghanistan.  Up till now, this has been heavily shrouded in secrecy.

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« Reply #67 on: June 09, 2012, 02:58:05 AM »
I wouldn't say "heavily shrouded in secrecy"...maybe just not reported widely.  Those of us who follow such things have been well aware of what was happening.  I do find some of the enthusiasm in the article somewhat amusing given the ADF has been notoriously slow in getting UAS into service...
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« Reply #68 on: June 09, 2012, 03:06:09 AM »
These are the sort of thing I really find interesting with UAS:

Unmanned Logistics Air Vehicles (ULAV) (might also go by the designation U Transport AV, or U Cargo AV).  The CQ-10 SnowGoose (see Pic below) is one:





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Another:


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« Reply #70 on: August 19, 2012, 05:34:43 PM »
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« Reply #71 on: August 20, 2012, 04:01:38 AM »
Wow!  :icon_surprised: That's seriously impressive!
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« Reply #72 on: August 20, 2012, 05:21:41 AM »
I'm finding this thread fascinating right now because I'm involved with the MQ-8C Firescout.  The Hughes/Schweitzer 300 airframe was big enough for all that NG and the Navy wanted, so now we're converting Model 407s under contract.  It's rather interesting to see the changes needed, including little things that might not occur to you at first.

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Beauty is in the eye, etc., etc., ... but that Phantom Eye is gorgeous! Now, if they would just stick a 'real' undercarriage on to that puppy  ;)
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« Reply #74 on: August 23, 2012, 12:50:42 AM »
That Phantom Eye has a certain Messerschmitt Gigant look to it.   
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« Reply #75 on: December 08, 2012, 03:04:48 AM »
Hmmm...random idea:  Vought V-173 "Flying Pancake" retasked/scale-o-ramered as a Tactical UAV:

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« Reply #76 on: December 08, 2012, 11:23:38 AM »
Maybe after losing the ATF contest Northrop decide to develop the YF-23 into a UCAV:



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« Reply #77 on: December 08, 2012, 09:04:13 PM »
Maybe after losing the ATF contest Northrop decide to develop the YF-23 into a UCAV:



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I dont know why but that just looks right, as if thats how it was designed from the start.

Is there a 1/144 kit of the YF-23? That would be just about perfect for a 1/48 scalorama-ed UCAV.  Heck a 1/72 kit would be pretty sweet, too.

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« Reply #78 on: December 08, 2012, 09:15:27 PM »
^ Trumpeter does one. And I think Revell did one as well, aeons ago.
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« Reply #79 on: December 09, 2012, 04:59:07 AM »
if you want a challenge, there's always taking a Bell 407 (or mod'ing a 2006 to a 407) and making a MQ-8C.  There are a number of noticable external changes and a few that aren't as easy to notice.  Ihappen to be intimately familiar with cowling, firewall, and engine installation changes.

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« Reply #80 on: December 09, 2012, 05:18:32 AM »
The Trumpeter F-23 would be ideal for this for two reasons:

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2 - the worst part of the kit is the canopy...which just doesn't quite fit

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« Reply #81 on: December 09, 2012, 05:33:15 AM »
The Trumpeter F-23 would be ideal for this for two reasons:

1 - it's dirt cheap
2 - the worst part of the kit is the canopy...which just doesn't quite fit

Oh and a bonus reason: The kit otherwise builds up nicely, unlike the Trumpeter J-7/Mig-21
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« Reply #82 on: December 10, 2012, 01:56:44 AM »
Squadron has the 1/144 YF-23 for $2.69: http://www.squadron.com/product-p/tr01332.htm

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« Reply #83 on: December 10, 2012, 02:07:56 AM »
Since Cyber Hobby futzed the shape of the Sea Vixen as badly as they did, it's well set up shape wise for some kind of UAV.   
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« Reply #84 on: December 10, 2012, 02:39:51 AM »
Squadron has the 1/144 YF-23 for $2.69: http://www.squadron.com/product-p/tr01332.htm


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« Reply #85 on: January 21, 2013, 02:37:20 AM »
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« Reply #86 on: January 24, 2013, 02:41:48 AM »
what is the source of that picture? Does it have mid chord control surfaces?

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« Reply #87 on: March 30, 2013, 02:08:59 PM »
Perhaps they already exist but how about UAV ECM pods?   With all the automation currently available, why not?   High altitude or low, supersonic or slow.   :)
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« Reply #88 on: March 30, 2013, 02:43:27 PM »
IIRC  EW attack is one of the roles planned for UCAVs.  Usually it will be done with dedicated internal packages rather then pods.

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« Reply #89 on: March 31, 2013, 04:59:48 AM »
What I had more in mind was an all-new pod that could be inserted into various airframes designated just for that pod...some high altitude loitering, some supersonic, etc.    And then the pod shape itself would be somewhat standardized so it also could have different internals.

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« Reply #91 on: March 31, 2013, 11:16:26 PM »
Interesting report on possible future civilian use of drones downunder and the predictable response from those being watched.  This could lead to a lucrative potential market for anti-drone systems...


I've read somewhere that drones are being used along the US-Canadian border now ----

While down in Yuma I was very interested in seeing a couple of tethered balloons/blimps/whatever in the proving grounds there.  I imagine they could observe quite far into the south ---

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« Reply #92 on: April 01, 2013, 03:55:05 AM »
Interesting report on possible future civilian use of drones downunder and the predictable response from those being watched.  This could lead to a lucrative potential market for anti-drone systems...


Same type of reaction to the recent news that the Queensland police to use surveillance drones to combat crime ahead of G20 conference.  Anything new and the fools come out!  Personally, I think the greater use of UAVs is a great idea.  In fact, one of the 1/35 Shadows I have is being done up as a Police bird...to simply monitor traffic.
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« Reply #93 on: April 01, 2013, 06:20:50 AM »
Might have to go to the local craft store after work to check on plastic Easter eggs on sale.   Someone gave me a started 1:35 UH-1 in very bad condition but the rotor is still entirely on the sprues.   It may have to become a 1:35 drone chopper.   As in Sidewinders and Brimstones and a quiet blade.
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« Reply #94 on: April 01, 2013, 10:09:11 AM »
How about doing one of these?



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« Reply #95 on: April 01, 2013, 10:38:30 AM »
Insitu, a subsidiary of Boeing, is just down the road a bit.   But, somehow, walking through the front door and asking for discussion points for the thread  here  would likely result in  >:( >:( >:D rather than interesting discourse.
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« Reply #96 on: April 01, 2013, 10:48:24 AM »
Oh, I don't know.  I have had many a discussion with the guys from Insitu.
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How about doing one of these?



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Does anyone do a kit of that...preferaby in 1/35?
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Not that I am aware of but it wouldn't be too hard to scratchbuild, Greg.

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Gizmodo - America's Kamikaze Drone Makes the Skies Way Less Friendly

Once you get over the bad acting in the very poor quality video that is embedded in the article it turns out that this is a very efficient little killing machine in addition to a short duration surveillance asset that can search out and subsequently take out a target.  Being small and somewhat portable and about the same size/weight as the M72 LAW shoulder fired anti-tank rocket launcher this tactical tool has a lot of potential.  I see one problem with it in that it needs to be set up with an antenna on a separate tripod mast which means it has vulnerabilities.  Maybe AeroVironment can develop a more compact antenna link that can be hand carried to make it even more portable. 
 
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« Reply #101 on: September 15, 2013, 01:04:38 PM »
Fouga Magister.  Cockpit entirely removed and smoothed.   Roll it would play???  Elifino.  ;D
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« Reply #102 on: September 19, 2013, 02:13:14 AM »
While the concept is far from original, a 1:72 Airfix Gnat was just picked up to convert into a cruise missile.  Obviously the guidance system and charge would be located to where the crew area is.   I think it'll look good.    Hope to post it here circa February as a couple others were ordered to give to my son for a Daddy-Son Together-time Holiday gift.   
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« Reply #103 on: November 16, 2013, 04:40:39 AM »
Something I saw in London earlier this year - now every soldier can have their own UAV:



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« Reply #106 on: December 22, 2013, 05:07:11 AM »
Bring on the Unmanned Freighters…good way for the public to get used to the idea of autonomous piloted airliners!

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Just what every car needs…its own UAV (click on image for story):



Now, where be mine (it could easily fit into the rear of the Audi …armed with missiles…for traffic >:D
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« Reply #108 on: April 13, 2014, 11:52:48 AM »
Responding here to this quote

Dare I say, all that is satisfied by something like this nowadays :



Not to take away from your model though which is great!


Thanks!  It came together real nice!

Problems with the drones (as I see them) are;

Limited field of view / situational awareness

Limited payload

Low speed

Inability to act as radio relay (surprisingly, the most critical problem!)

No armour

High cost

High complexity (control system)

Any loss of contact (for whatever reason) results in loss of the platform

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Drone cannot act as a liason aircraft

Drone cannot be used in an air combat situation

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Limited field of view / situational awareness - somewhat countered if one fits lipstick cameras all around thus providing a EO DAS style solution.  Besides, one could argue that a crew siting comfortable out of harm's way if provided. With plenty of sensor feedback could potentially have a higher situational awareness.

Limited payload - not a feature of drones per sae but rather of the individual designs.  A drone could easily be given the biggest payload ever seen.  Besides, I would suggest the Reaper (by way of example) is not lacking in that department).

Low speed - again not a feature of drones per sae but rather of the individual designs.  And by the way a drone has operated at in excess of Mach 3 as far back as the 1960s.

Inability to act as radio relay (surprisingly, the most critical problem!) -not sure what you mean by this since acting as relay repeaters is actually one of the roles regularly envisaged for such platforms.  The technology is quite easy.

No armour - again not a feature of drones per sae but rather of the individual designs. One could design a drone to be the heaviest armoured platform ever to fly...if it was cost effective.  I would also suggest that many manned platforms are also lightly or not armoured.

High cost. - compared to what? 

High complexity (control system) - as opposed to life support and other features required for manned platforms?

Any loss of contact (for whatever reason) results in loss of the platform - not necessarily.  Drones can be and are built with the ability to keep flying even with loss of comms.  It really depends upon the scenario, rules of engagement and operating environment as to what occurs following a permanent loss of comms.

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Drone cannot act as a liason aircraft - true...but hardly a significant issue.  Though one could add on some inhabited pods...

Drone cannot be used in an air combat situation - errr...what do you think the AIM-9s carried on some MQ-9s are for?  Moreover, one could easily have drones that far exceed the air combat capabilities of any manned platform...they certainly found that they could as far back as the 1970s.

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Re: Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
« Reply #109 on: April 13, 2014, 09:25:18 PM »
I just look at the reams of crash reports!

Yeah, I see what you're saying - they're just not there yet.  And when they are, I reckon it'll be a super expensive system, compared to a manned platform.

Also, I can see, and indeed have already heard, the main problem with giving drone vehicles more autonomy: the howling masses, terrified that the things will go all 'Terminator' on them!  What may yet be the end of drones is the reluctance of anyone to actually field autonomous combat vehicles, when they are faced by their political opponents raising awkward questions!

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Re: Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
« Reply #110 on: April 14, 2014, 11:29:05 AM »
Personally, I've thought a mixed force would be the safest way to go--say one manned 'director' F-22 or F-35 with 1 to 3 UCAV 'wingmen'. Force multiplier basically.

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« Reply #111 on: April 14, 2014, 04:05:24 PM »
I just look at the reams of crash reports!


What say, we go even further and look at Class A mishaps ($1M+ cost, fatal or permanent total disability, or destruction of aircraft) against cumulative flight hours:



Note that manned and unmanned aircraft are all trending downward similarly, showing the results of experience and continuous improvements. The Q-1 (Predator) lags behind other airframes, both manned and unmanned. This is not surprising given the Q-1 is the first mass used large unmanned airframe. Additionally, the Q-1 may be used in situations and environments that may be more dangerous than manned aircraft, leading to more mishaps. The more modern Q-4 and Q-9 are on par with manned airframes, showing that unmanned airframes can have accident rates similar to or better than manned airframes without the risk to crewmen.

All data derived from US Air Force Safety Center: http://www.afsec.af.mil/organizations/aviation/aircraftstatistics/index.asp

Yeah, I see what you're saying - they're just not there yet.  And when they are, I reckon it'll be a super expensive system, compared to a manned platform.


I believe that they are largely there for the role they are used in. Also if you want to do a cost comparison one needs to consider the complete life-cycle cost.  This will include the cost (for the manned system) of life support system (and associated support/logistics personnel, contractors, spares etc…), the cost of training the pilot (and maintaining their qualifications - not a small amount as anyone who has served in an operational squadron will attest to), the cost of maintenance due to those training operations (something a UAV doesn't need to worry about since the training is essentially simulator based for most of the time - the airframe itself and the computers don't need to fly), the cost of the airframe designed to greater factors of safety (a UAV can be considered semi-expendable) etc …If done properly I think you will find that UAVs are very much less expensive…and that doesn't even touch upon the benefit of not putting a crew in harm's way.

Also, I can see, and indeed have already heard, the main problem with giving drone vehicles more autonomy: the howling masses, terrified that the things will go all 'Terminator' on them!  What may yet be the end of drones is the reluctance of anyone to actually field autonomous combat vehicles, when they are faced by their political opponents raising awkward questions!


I will concede that the political aspect of the uninformed whining about the UAVs is an issue to contend with.  I doubt there will ever be a solution here since most of these people either are whack jobs who watched Terminator movies one too many times or are against any weapons platform regardless.  They are also regularly incorrect in accusing the UAVs of being a "human less killing machine" - they forget that all current UAVs still keep a human in the control chain.  No weapon is released without a human giving a say so.  Moreover, because of the locations of the controllers, and the ease of access, they are often subject to more restrictive ROEs than crewed platforms in the AOs.
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Re: Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
« Reply #112 on: April 14, 2014, 07:45:20 PM »
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Re: Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
« Reply #113 on: April 14, 2014, 10:28:16 PM »
No fair!  Charts and ranting - THAT DOES IT!!!!!!!
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« Reply #114 on: April 15, 2014, 02:13:44 AM »

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Re: Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
« Reply #115 on: April 15, 2014, 02:22:00 AM »
Now any one want to hazard a guess just how many rounds it takes to bring down a UAV?

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« Reply #116 on: April 15, 2014, 06:33:22 AM »

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« Reply #117 on: April 15, 2014, 08:46:31 AM »
Now any one want to hazard a guess just how many rounds it takes to bring down a UAV?


And they all walked away, each claiming 10 confirmed and 15 probable kills.

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« Reply #118 on: April 15, 2014, 01:23:12 PM »
RC targets/UAVs are remarkably hard things to hit.  Way back in the early 1980s I did an MG instructor's course where they took us through all aspects of using the then standard GPMG for the Australian Army, the much maligned M60.  Part of it was AA use and they had some small RC targets for us to shoot at.  We fired various serials from various positions to try and hit these bloody fragile looking bits of balsa.  Could we hit them?  Nope.  Then two of the instructors got up and showed us how to do it.  Just like the pictures of WWII Germans, the assistant put the bipod on his shoulder, the gunner took careful aim and after three tries brought it down with a round clean through the glow-plug engine.   Of course, it took 300 rounds to get that!  Small, fleeting targets are damn hard to hit.   >:D

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« Reply #119 on: April 15, 2014, 10:22:03 PM »
  Small, fleeting targets are damn hard to hit.   >:D

Indeed! And even when they are hit by small arms, the damn things keep on flying!

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« Reply #120 on: April 16, 2014, 10:57:01 AM »
  Small, fleeting targets are damn hard to hit.   >:D

Indeed! And even when they are hit by small arms, the damn things keep on flying!

As I noted, took a round in the engine to bring it down.  It was a lucky shot but there were holes in the wing which did surprisingly little damage to such a fragile structure.

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Re: Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
« Reply #121 on: April 20, 2014, 03:53:52 AM »
First the photo:



Then the video:



Now, where's the model kit…in 1/48??
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« Reply #122 on: May 04, 2014, 03:36:25 AM »


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Re: Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
« Reply #123 on: August 23, 2014, 06:11:24 AM »
Interesting picture showing just how big the X-47B is:

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« Reply #124 on: August 23, 2014, 04:19:25 PM »
Does the point about aerial refuelling mean it has both a probe and a receptacle?

Just had a naughty thought.  Who's going to do one up in Blue Angels livery?  ;)

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« Reply #125 on: August 24, 2014, 12:14:59 AM »
Does the point about aerial refuelling mean it has both a probe and a receptacle?
It could be both.  You could easily fit a F-35A up for both if you were willing to pay the extra cost and the weight penalty; it's got that bay set aside, as part of a common systems configuration, so you need the extra plumbing & the doors (both of which could come from the -B or -C models, except for the tie-in with the receptacle plumbing) and appropriate software additions.  Doing it clean-sheet from the beginning would allow you to do it cleanly and neatly.

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« Reply #126 on: August 24, 2014, 03:06:53 AM »
Does the point about aerial refuelling mean it has both a probe and a receptacle?
 


Previous plans called for the X-47B naval unmanned combat air system demonstrator (UCAS-D) to conduct autonomous Navy-style probe-and-drogue and Air Force-style boom-and-receptacle refueling tests in 2014 but unfortunately they were a casualty of budget cuts.  I am not sure if it is still fitted for boom refuelling but it is for probe:




Just had a naughty thought.  Who's going to do one up in Blue Angels livery?  ;)


I like your thinking.
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Re: Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
« Reply #127 on: August 24, 2014, 03:12:25 AM »
Following on from above:




Now to get me some 1/48 Blue Angels decals...
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Re: Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
« Reply #128 on: August 24, 2014, 04:40:42 AM »
Cool scheme by Val Bueno:



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« Reply #129 on: August 24, 2014, 05:06:25 AM »
  Small, fleeting targets are damn hard to hit.   >:D


Indeed! And even when they are hit by small arms, the damn things keep on flying!


I personally think a UAV/UCAV/Drone would have great survivability and damage absorbsion. Below is a picture of one of my R/C models after a mid-air, I got it back to the strip with only a broken prop on touchdown the only additional damage. If I, a outside human pilot can do that surely a gyro stabilized computer would have no problem...


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« Reply #130 on: August 28, 2014, 02:08:41 PM »
it would seem that, since September 2013 at least, we have been calling these particular craft of the air by the wrong name.

In a program about such craft, a BBC-4 presenter referred to them as "Un-person Planes".  A complaint to the station resulted in the complainer being spoken to in a condescending tone by the BBC staff member, who then hung up the telephone ...... so it would seem that the BBC, being the last word on the English language, have set us right ;D

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Re: Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
« Reply #131 on: August 28, 2014, 02:21:17 PM »
Just had a naughty thought.  Who's going to do one up in Blue Angels livery?  ;)

Due to budgetary restrictions the USAF and USN combine their aerial demonstration teams and create a joint command combined unit.  This new unit will need a new and catchy name based on original demonstration team names of Blue Angels and Thunder Birds.  Some possible names for this new unit could be Thunder Angels, Blue Thunder, or maybe the Blue Birds. 
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Re: Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
« Reply #132 on: August 28, 2014, 09:36:19 PM »
it would seem that, since September 2013 at least, we have been calling these particular craft of the air by the wrong name.

In a program about such craft, a BBC-4 presenter referred to them as "Un-person Planes".  A complaint to the station resulted in the complainer being spoken to in a condescending tone by the BBC staff member, who then hung up the telephone ...... so it would seem that the BBC, being the last word on the English language, have set us right ;D

You're kidding me...we already have the term Uninhabited Aerial Vehicles which is gender neutral...why go further?

Mind you, what does whatever call a airliner/personnel transporter without a human pilot?  It is after all inhabited...
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« Reply #133 on: August 28, 2014, 09:51:03 PM »
it would seem that, since September 2013 at least, we have been calling these particular craft of the air by the wrong name.

In a program about such craft, a BBC-4 presenter referred to them as "Un-person Planes".  A complaint to the station resulted in the complainer being spoken to in a condescending tone by the BBC staff member, who then hung up the telephone ...... so it would seem that the BBC, being the last word on the English language, have set us right ;D

You're kidding me...we already have the term Uninhabited Aerial Vehicles which is gender neutral...why go further?

Mind you, what does whatever call a airliner/personnel transporter without a human pilot?  It is after all inhabited...

simply a UAV. Uncrewed Aerial Vehicle ???

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« Reply #134 on: August 30, 2014, 05:48:43 PM »
Just had a naughty thought.  Who's going to do one up in Blue Angels livery?  ;)

Due to budgetary restrictions the USAF and USN combine their aerial demonstration teams and create a joint command combined unit.  This new unit will need a new and catchy name based on original demonstration team names of Blue Angels and Thunder Birds.  Some possible names for this new unit could be Thunder Angels, Blue Thunder, or maybe the Blue Birds.

Knowing the bureacracy, it will become the Blue Birds, which to my ear sounds like some sort of 1980s British TV dance troupe which appeared on "The Two Ronnies" and other such programs.  ;)

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« Reply #135 on: August 30, 2014, 06:39:41 PM »

Mind you, what does whatever call a airliner/personnel transporter without a human pilot?  It is after all inhabited...

simply a UAV. Uncrewed Aerial Vehicle ???

Ah, but what if you still have Fight Stewards?  Wouldn't they constitute "crew"?
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« Reply #136 on: August 30, 2014, 09:28:04 PM »
not if they are robotic like the rest of the aircraft ;)

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« Reply #137 on: August 30, 2014, 09:33:01 PM »
or re-classify Fight Stewards as staff not crew

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« Reply #138 on: August 30, 2014, 11:59:30 PM »
The way thing are going the "passengers" have already largely been classified as cattle... so no inhabitants there. :)

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« Reply #139 on: August 31, 2014, 05:18:19 AM »
The way thing are going the "passengers" have already largely been classified as cattle... so no inhabitants there. :)
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« Reply #140 on: September 01, 2014, 07:50:15 AM »
I knew the manners of the general population was seriously on the decline but "Fight Stewards"? ???

Must be getting really bad on some airlines, then. :icon_twisted: :icon_punal: C:-) :icon_swat:



It's also about time we "un-PC'ed" the English language. I know a lot of persons & wopersons who'd agree. ;)
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« Reply #141 on: September 01, 2014, 07:47:14 PM »
I knew the manners of the general population was seriously on the decline but "Fight Stewards"? ???

LOL, didn't catch that one, then typed it myself. ;D

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« Reply #142 on: September 01, 2014, 08:40:08 PM »
I knew the manners of the general population was seriously on the decline but "Fight Stewards"? ???


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« Reply #143 on: September 02, 2014, 12:27:54 PM »
I knew the manners of the general population was seriously on the decline but "Fight Stewards"? ???

Must be getting really bad on some airlines, then. :icon_twisted: :icon_punal: C:-) :icon_swat:



It's also about time we "un-PC'ed" the English language. I know a lot of persons & wopersons who'd agree. ;)

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Re: Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
« Reply #144 on: October 12, 2014, 05:58:56 AM »
How drones deploy:



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« Reply #145 on: October 12, 2014, 06:45:52 AM »
Damn!  The drone shipping container has so much potential for a party boat pontoon :)
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« Reply #146 on: October 12, 2014, 07:53:02 AM »
General Atomics EasyKit. Comes pre-painted. Some assembly required. No glue needed. Modelling skills helpful if under 14 years of age. RC transmitter unit sold separately. Requires 4 AA batteries (not included). 

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« Reply #148 on: February 24, 2015, 03:41:49 AM »
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Air Force Commences Unmanned Aerial System Training United States
(Source: Australian Department of Defence; issued Feb 23, 2015)

Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister for Defence, Darren Chester, today announced that the Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) has commenced training aircrew and support staff on United States Air Force (USAF) MQ-9 Reaper Unmanned Aerial System (UAS) operations in the United States.

Mr Chester said that the training program provides a cost effective method to increase the ADF’s understanding of complex UAS operations and how this capability can be best used to protect Australian troops on future operations.

“Unmanned aerial systems are an advancing technology with a proven record of providing ‘eyes in the sky’ in the Middle East region,” Mr Chester said.

“It would be remiss of Australia not to continue to develop our knowledge of this technology to ensure we are able to gain the greatest benefit from unmanned aerial systems and the best protection for our troops on future operations.”

“For this reason, the RAAF is training personnel in USAF MQ-9 Reaper unmanned aerial system operations in the United States.”

Air Force currently has five personnel training to be MQ-9 air vehicle operators and payload operators at Holloman Air Force Base, New Mexico, and a communication systems engineer at Creech Air Force Base, Nevada.

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Hmmm...I wonder if a RAAF Reaper acquisition may be on the cards in the future...
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« Reply #149 on: April 12, 2015, 04:46:54 AM »
I tell's ya...these recon pods are getting out of control ;):



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« Reply #150 on: April 18, 2015, 05:38:40 AM »
Just a cool pic:

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« Reply #151 on: April 18, 2015, 08:40:40 AM »
from several years ago - a private New Zealand inventor's "Snark" stealth-copter UAV.

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Re: Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
« Reply #152 on: April 18, 2015, 12:58:15 PM »
Just a cool pic:



If more B-2s had been built, I can just see an operational one of those refueling from a KB-2, complete with l-o hose and drogue, before the final run into "denied territory".

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Re: Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
« Reply #153 on: April 19, 2015, 03:31:39 AM »

If more B-2s had been built, I can just see an operational one of those refueling from a KB-2, complete with l-o hose and drogue, before the final run into "denied territory".

Hmmm...interesting diorama idea
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Re: Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
« Reply #154 on: April 21, 2015, 09:49:23 PM »
If more B-2s had been built, I can just see an operational one of those refueling from a KB-2, complete with l-o hose and drogue, before the final run into "denied territory".

1. Awesome idea! It would be even cooler with a pair of F/A-47Ds refueling prior to making the inbound strike leg of the mission.

B. Now I have an option for my Revell ATB scale-o-rama project if I don't want just another stealth bomber...though I'd need one or two of the X-47 kits.

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Re: Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
« Reply #155 on: April 21, 2015, 10:36:54 PM »
There was a rumour in the late 90s, early 2000s that Lockheed was developing a LO tactical tanker replacement for the KC-135 and eventually most of the types based on the airframe.  Nothing every eventuated but it does lead to some interesting possibilities, i.e. a LO airframe of that size could have made a very interesting MPA.

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Re: Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
« Reply #156 on: April 22, 2015, 10:38:25 AM »
There was a rumour in the late 90s, early 2000s that Lockheed was developing a LO tactical tanker replacement for the KC-135 and eventually most of the types based on the airframe.  Nothing every eventuated but it does lead to some interesting possibilities, i.e. a LO airframe of that size could have made a very interesting MPA.
Given the modular nature of the basic B-2 structural breakdown, you could conceivably develop several recce, tanker, and MPA variants.  The cockpit had room, and proven ejection seat access and exit, for a third crew member to deal with specialized taskings.  I've always joked about doing a CB-2 in the commercial lo-viz markings of Aerotransportes Medellin' (similar to the Canadian roundel, but with a cocoa leaf instead of a maple leaf).

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Re: Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
« Reply #157 on: April 22, 2015, 10:49:25 PM »
<...> Aerotransportes Medellin' (similar to the Canadian roundel, but with a cocoa leaf instead of a maple leaf).

 ;D :) Good one!
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Re: Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
« Reply #158 on: April 24, 2015, 02:23:45 AM »
Some more cool shots:



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Re: Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
« Reply #159 on: April 24, 2015, 08:04:31 AM »
Who or what is an "Omega Tanker" - apart from an inflight refueling tanker?

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« Reply #160 on: April 24, 2015, 09:19:27 AM »
Who or what is an "Omega Tanker" - apart from an inflight refueling tanker?
Private air refueling outfit in the USA, they're using old KC-135's, refurbishing them and then contracting out to US forces

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« Reply #161 on: April 24, 2015, 11:50:03 AM »
"Raises hand"...what is an MPA?
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« Reply #162 on: April 24, 2015, 01:37:39 PM »
Who or what is an "Omega Tanker" - apart from an inflight refueling tanker?
Private air refueling outfit in the USA, they're using old KC-135's, refurbishing them and then contracting out to US forces

Nope, not KC-135s, tanker conversion of a 707-300 (N707MQ) and a former RAAF 707-300 tanker. They also operate a DC-10 tanker.
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« Reply #163 on: April 24, 2015, 01:38:17 PM »
"Raises hand"...what is an MPA?

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« Reply #164 on: April 25, 2015, 12:42:11 AM »
Who or what is an "Omega Tanker" - apart from an inflight refueling tanker?
Private air refueling outfit in the USA, they're using old KC-135's, refurbishing them and then contracting out to US forces

Nope, not KC-135s, tanker conversion of a 707-300 (N707MQ) and a former RAAF 707-300 tanker. They also operate a DC-10 tanker.

Thanks for the correction Jon   :)  I saw a program on TV about it (Military Channel I think) but couldn't quite remember where they got the tankers from

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Re: Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
« Reply #165 on: April 25, 2015, 02:10:07 AM »
Who or what is an "Omega Tanker" - apart from an inflight refueling tanker?

Private air refueling outfit in the USA, they're using old KC-135's, refurbishing them and then contracting out to US forces


They also support other forces as well - for instance, I have seen them operating out of RAAF Amberley numerous times.

Look here for more info:  http://www.omegaairrefueling.com/vms/

They operate both 707s (not KC-135s) and a KDC-10.
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Re: Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
« Reply #166 on: April 25, 2015, 02:20:05 AM »
Sometimes they are grey:



Sometimes they are not:

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Re: Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
« Reply #167 on: June 26, 2015, 03:16:16 AM »
Just some cool photos of a UAV operating from a normal airport alongside civilian aircraft:








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Re: Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
« Reply #168 on: June 28, 2015, 06:41:55 AM »
Amusing sketches by RobinCastle


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Re: Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
« Reply #169 on: August 23, 2015, 05:51:12 AM »
Even in this day of modern UCAVs, we can't get away from spats...

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« Reply #170 on: August 29, 2015, 03:32:20 PM »
for when the remote-control is replaced with Artificial Intelligence but it decides to go on strike for more RAM ::)

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Re: Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
« Reply #171 on: August 30, 2015, 04:23:02 AM »
Reminds me of this Global Hawk inspired fictional aircraft in Popular Mechanics years ago:



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Re: Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
« Reply #172 on: September 06, 2015, 06:04:12 AM »
Some cool artworks:




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Re: Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
« Reply #173 on: September 06, 2015, 06:24:18 AM »
Squint just right and these could almost be unmanned firebombers:

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« Reply #175 on: September 07, 2015, 12:01:10 PM »
Dude's a little out of date, the C-17 has been Boeing badged since 1997.
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« Reply #176 on: September 07, 2015, 09:55:16 PM »
I have to ask "WTF?" on those nacelles on the V-22 concept.  He's got IR suppressors on both ends but no intakes.  Too, I suspect the cockpit area would be reworked like that of the Model 407 for MQ-8C conversion rather than whole new structure.

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Re: Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
« Reply #177 on: October 03, 2015, 05:42:52 AM »
Found online:

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Re: Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
« Reply #178 on: October 03, 2015, 08:07:07 AM »
Interesting!
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« Reply #179 on: October 22, 2015, 05:03:19 AM »
I didn't go back through the thread to look, but at looking at the parts of the Skunkworks F-16XL, my thought was ''that canopy has to come off!''    Smooth that area right over and fly it out of some basement somewhere.

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« Reply #180 on: October 25, 2015, 06:45:57 AM »
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Re: Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
« Reply #181 on: January 11, 2016, 11:04:32 PM »
"They know you can do anything, So the question is, what don't you do?"

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Re: Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
« Reply #182 on: June 19, 2016, 08:14:31 AM »
Start here:



End here:





Story (and more pics) here
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Re: Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
« Reply #183 on: April 30, 2017, 06:16:44 AM »
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Re: Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
« Reply #184 on: May 27, 2017, 06:08:20 AM »
The latest in anti-UAV defences:  The giant fly swat ;) ;D:



Seriously though, it is the capture system for the UAV shown.
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Re: Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
« Reply #185 on: May 27, 2017, 06:17:39 AM »
Something different:

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« Reply #186 on: May 27, 2017, 10:36:26 AM »
Something different:



Guy at the shooting stage:  "PULL!"

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« Reply #187 on: May 27, 2017, 03:44:37 PM »
It looks like there's a screaming monkey strapped inside it! :o
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Re: Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
« Reply #188 on: March 12, 2018, 02:22:55 AM »
All engine...or just about:




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Re: Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
« Reply #189 on: March 12, 2018, 10:27:21 AM »
"In Russia, engine flies you!"    ;)

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Re: Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
« Reply #190 on: March 19, 2018, 01:05:46 AM »
What to do with your old C-130s:

https://youtu.be/_PCvSSTfJmk
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« Reply #191 on: March 19, 2018, 01:15:59 AM »
What to do with your old C-130s:

https://youtu.be/_PCvSSTfJmk

This is cool. No GSE required for the actual loading / unloading activity.  Just for pre-positioning and post-unloading.
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« Reply #192 on: May 18, 2018, 02:30:29 AM »
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Re: Uninhabited and Unafraid, (UCAV, UAV, and Drone Aircraft)
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