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Re: Centurion Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #30 on: July 04, 2012, 03:45:10 PM »
It really is a shame the Centurion did not come into service in the later part of 1944. That tank would have been a shock to the 3rd Riech forces. :o

It almost made it - supposedly, six prototypes arrived in Belgium less than a month after the war in Europe ended in May 1945.  Would certainly make an interesting diorama having a Mk 1 Centurion against something like an E-50.
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Re: Centurion Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #31 on: July 23, 2012, 03:26:56 PM »
Another spin on Litvak's AltCan concept was my SPAAG Centurion, the Artemis AAT.

The Artemis used the turret and guns from the French AMX 13/AMX 30 DCA. In Canadian service, the Artemis replaced the Ares AAT (an ex-Achilles CP with CDP tracks and twin 40mm Bofors in a Duster turret).

BTW: I went with the French turret to distinguish mine from Graeme Davidsons's amazing build of a twin Bofors Centurion SPAAG. See the build thread here: http://www.network54.com/Forum/169232/thread/1292811637/Centurion+Twin+Forty+SPAAG


Wow that's fantastic apophenia!!!
That's what the Australian Army has been lacking since ................. the end of WWII, and has unfortunately elected to continue to lack :(
Although saying this and loving your model, I think it would be too heavy = expensive  :(

Great work!!!!

P.S. I've got mates up at the School of Armour, whom I'm sure is going to love this!!!!

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Re: Centurion Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #32 on: July 25, 2012, 12:08:36 PM »
Thanks M.A.D. You're right, the SPAAG Centurion would've been heavy ... but no more so than the AMX-30 with the same turret and radar.
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Re: Centurion Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #33 on: July 25, 2012, 12:35:40 PM »
Somehow I missed those AltCan profiles - lovely! That Super Cent looks especially tasty.
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Re: Centurion Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #34 on: December 17, 2012, 05:31:39 AM »
I got sent some "SECRET" drawings from the 50-60's on proposed Canadian Centurions. I'll see if the guy who found them is OK with me posting them here. They aren't very detailed, but to give you an idea, Canada was looking at

- vertical launch ATGM version (probably SS-11)
- 155mm SP Gun (think son of Sexton)
- troop carrier

There were a couple others too. I'm thinking about adding to my Cent what-ifs to include the 155mm version, a tracked Honest John launcher, and something along the lines of the S-125M "Neva", a T-55 with quad SA-3, but obviously using a Centurion and for the missile, some kind of extended range HAWK or something totally made up.


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Re: Centurion Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #35 on: December 17, 2012, 07:08:19 AM »
I got sent some "SECRET" drawings from the 50-60's on proposed Canadian Centurions. I'll see if the guy who found them is OK with me posting them here. They aren't very detailed, but to give you an idea, Canada was looking at

- vertical launch ATGM version (probably SS-11)
- 155mm SP Gun (think son of Sexton)
- troop carrier

There were a couple others too. I'm thinking about adding to my Cent what-ifs to include the 155mm version, a tracked Honest John launcher, and something along the lines of the S-125M "Neva", a T-55 with quad SA-3, but obviously using a Centurion and for the missile, some kind of extended range HAWK or something totally made up.
Hmm, an extended-range Hawk with a booster stage?  How looking at the various naval SAMs of the time and seeing if one of them would work?  I can see Alt. Canada not giving a hoot about other countries' NIH problems and adapting whatever worked well for their needs.
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Re: Centurion Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #36 on: December 17, 2012, 07:13:49 AM »
Graeme,

How about a VL HOT instead of the VL SS-11?  Less workload for the operator and SACLOS would certainly be more adept at a vertical or near to vertical launch in comparison to the cumbersome SS-11. 
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Re: Centurion Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #37 on: December 17, 2012, 07:29:34 AM »
What is "NIH"?
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Re: Centurion Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #38 on: December 17, 2012, 07:38:45 AM »
"Not Invented Here" I believe.

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Re: Centurion Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #39 on: December 17, 2012, 07:58:08 AM »
Aha, okay... makes sense. Thanks! :)
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Re: Centurion Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #40 on: December 17, 2012, 08:48:06 AM »
Secret Canadian Cents! Oh yeah! Here's hoping your source is cool with you posting them on BtS  :)
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Re: Centurion Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #41 on: December 17, 2012, 02:13:21 PM »
I'd ove to see some more Cent. project photos, Gingie.

Here's a Teledyne / Sth African / Jordanian project that is still in development - but now on a Challenger chassis ......


Below -- it has all the frontal shot-traps filled ....

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Re: Centurion Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #42 on: December 18, 2012, 03:05:02 AM »
Wow, amazing what a visual difference that Teledyne low-profile turret makes!
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Re: Centurion Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #43 on: December 22, 2012, 01:31:31 AM »
Special thanks to Don Dingwall for sending me these pics he discovered:

Heavy APC:

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Re: Centurion Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #44 on: December 22, 2012, 01:32:39 AM »
Centurion III 20 pdr Gun

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