Author Topic: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks  (Read 39494 times)

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Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2012, 08:23:52 AM »
Given the Leo 1 has a 105mm gun, an 88 would be quite a downgrade.  The Germans were experimenting with 105mm & 128mm tank weapons in late WW2, so a 105mm equipped vehicle is quite valid.

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Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2012, 08:38:40 AM »
Given the Leo 1 has a 105mm gun, an 88 would be quite a downgrade.  The Germans were experimenting with 105mm & 128mm tank weapons in late WW2, so a 105mm equipped vehicle is quite valid.

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That is true John. :) I wonder who all makes a W.W.2 German 105mm main gun.
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Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #17 on: April 29, 2012, 10:55:44 AM »
You would probably be best placed to derive it from the German 10.5cm Flak 38-39:



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Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #18 on: April 29, 2012, 11:36:22 AM »
My take on Leopard recce and DFSV.
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Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #19 on: April 29, 2012, 11:37:08 AM »
For an actual tank gun, the 'Dicker Max' or 10.5cm K18 auf Panzer Selbstfahrlafette IVa was armed with the 105mm K18 gun.  I believe Trumpeter makes a kit of the type in 35th scale.

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Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #20 on: April 29, 2012, 11:39:17 AM »
Weren't the Germans also working on a 100mm low-recoil (recoilless?) gun during WWII?
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Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #21 on: April 29, 2012, 12:14:27 PM »
Leo1 with 120mm main gun (sometimes also referred to as Leo3)......

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Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #22 on: April 29, 2012, 12:50:40 PM »
You know, somewhere at some point in time, I swear I remember reading a proposal from Giat (or Nexter) that involved equipping the Leo 1 with various turrets from the AMX 30 family. I got the 155 mm SP gun and I kind of understood the DCA (for countries that didn't use the Gepard) but the reason for swapping the turret from the gun tank went over my head a bit.

I've always been a fan of the "cast turret" versions of the Leo 1 and the later A5-A6 variants of the Leo 2. Both also seem like great subjects for Whiffing.

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Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #23 on: April 29, 2012, 01:01:19 PM »
For an actual tank gun, the 'Dicker Max' or 10.5cm K18 auf Panzer Selbstfahrlafette IVa was armed with the 105mm K18 gun.  I believe Trumpeter makes a kit of the type in 35th scale.

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I forgot about that one.  Yes there are kits available from at least DML and Trumpeter in 1/35.

How good was the K18 in the antitank role?
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Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #24 on: April 29, 2012, 01:04:19 PM »
According to Achtung Panzer, the gun was capable of penetrating 111mm of 30 degrees sloped armor plate at 2000 meters which isn't too shabby and apparently had success against KV & T-34 series vehicles.

http://www.achtungpanzer.com/sel105.htm#pzjag

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Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #25 on: April 29, 2012, 02:50:13 PM »
You would probably be best placed to derive it from the German 10.5cm Flak 38-39:

Not sure if anyone models it.

Many decades ago, Nitto did.  IIRC Fujimi took up the moulds and re-released it more recently.  The 10.5cm Flak 38-39 wasn't a terribly successful design, falling as it were between the two stools of the 8.8cm and the 12.8cm.

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Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #26 on: April 29, 2012, 02:56:27 PM »
Weren't the Germans also working on a 100mm low-recoil (recoilless?) gun during WWII?

They were working on many weird and wonderful weapons.  They fielded a 105mm Rcl but the expense of using it (it used twice as much propellant as a normal gun) killed it.   They also fielded in very small numbers a 8cm PAW 800 gun which used the high-low pressure principle.  They were experimenting with a 10.0cm PAW 1000 weapon but never fielded it.

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Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #27 on: April 29, 2012, 02:59:02 PM »
For an actual tank gun, the 'Dicker Max' or 10.5cm K18 auf Panzer Selbstfahrlafette IVa was armed with the 105mm K18 gun.  I believe Trumpeter makes a kit of the type in 35th scale.

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John

I forgot about that one.  Yes there are kits available from at least DML and Trumpeter in 1/35.

How good was the K18 in the antitank role?

Potentially very good but it was a cumbersome weapon and coming from the Artillery branch, rather than the armoured one a bit behind the eight-ball, as it were.  Their were only 2 Dickermax built and they proved a bit of a failure - more because of the chassis chosen than the gun necessarily.  One was captured by the Russians and put on display in Moscow where several pictures that have been published of it come from.

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Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #28 on: April 30, 2012, 03:36:31 AM »
For an actual tank gun, the 'Dicker Max' or 10.5cm K18 auf Panzer Selbstfahrlafette IVa was armed with the 105mm K18 gun.  I believe Trumpeter makes a kit of the type in 35th scale.

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John

Thanks John. I have the DML version in the stash. Hopefully a metal barrel is available somewhere. :D
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Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #29 on: April 30, 2012, 03:45:31 AM »

Thanks John. I have the DML version in the stash. Hopefully a metal barrel is available somewhere. :D


RB Model do one in 1/35:




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