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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #275 on: August 23, 2015, 09:24:38 AM »
Okay what turret is that? Definitely AAA but I am not familiar with it. Would look good on a tank chassis to keep up with the fast armored units.

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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #276 on: August 23, 2015, 09:40:13 AM »
The picture shows a FNSS ACV 30 SPAAG - it has twin 35mm cannon:

https://youtu.be/Nqq9T0MB8Mc
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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #277 on: August 23, 2015, 09:41:18 AM »
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I think they might flip & pivot. I see them being stored not alongside the hull, but on the hull roof, 4 missiles (2 pods of 2) flat on the roof. To launch, they would flip outwards, still parallel to the ground, and once clear of the hull, the bottom pivots toward the ground unit they are in the vertical launch position.


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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #278 on: August 23, 2015, 12:30:29 PM »
Slightly larger image:



Source


I stand corrected! I can make out the 3-tubes on this image. I wonder where that is...CTC Gagetown training area maybe?

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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #279 on: September 06, 2015, 05:44:35 AM »
Is it just me or does this look like they've stolen some normal fencing material:

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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #280 on: September 06, 2015, 09:17:02 AM »
In Vietnam, US troops used to place wire fencing in front of their M113s when largered to protect against incoming RPG rounds:





The intention was to catch the rounds, rather than detonate them.  I don't see why putting the wire netting on the vehicle wouldn't work.

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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #281 on: September 06, 2015, 09:57:03 AM »
Oh, I understand the reason for the mesh.  Its just that usually, that used has a more purpose built/military look to it (e.g. below).  The one above though look like bits of standard fencing.

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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #282 on: September 06, 2015, 11:16:12 AM »
Different intent.  The fencing catches the RPG rounds, the mesh explodes the RPG rounds...

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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #283 on: September 06, 2015, 12:53:22 PM »
Not just around M113s, standard setup for all armour.


Yes, those are M109s with ACAV turrets.  ;D

The fencing would get in the way on the move, get in the way during dismount and catch in the brush,
and the mud etc. Screens of fence mesh were tried on the Sheridan, but were soon ripped off in the
jungle.

The slat and bar armour worked on the monitors and the riverboats, but I doubt it would have worked
ashore for the same reasons mesh didn't.

BTW the Oz Centurions had their trackguards cut back front and rear and the stowage bins reinforced,
the former to reduce mud clogging and the latter to keep them form being ripped off in the bush.

Truthfully, I doubt if many of the current 'desert warfare' biased systems with their festoons of slats would
do that well if suddenly dropped into a wet, densely forested tropical environment.
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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #284 on: September 06, 2015, 03:51:28 PM »
They'd do fine - there'd just be tonnes of scrap metal hooked up on trees in the green! ;D
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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #285 on: September 06, 2015, 08:39:24 PM »
The fencing catches the RPG round and the slat armour destroys them by chopping them up. Also, on early RPG-7s, the outer skin of the warhead formed part of the electrical circuit between the fuse in the nose and the detonator at the back. Some early RPG screens were therefore earthed to the vehicle's electrical system and worked by shorting out that circuit so the detonator didn't fire when the fuse was triggered. Later RPG versions had an internal wire to avoid this. I think I'm right in saying that RUC Landrovers and British Army Pigs and Saracens in Northern Ireland exploited this effect for as long as it was viable.
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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #286 on: December 13, 2015, 01:06:02 PM »
An EIFV, not bad really

Speaking of EIFV, maybe an export version of Linebacker based on MTV-L/EIFV?

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Canadians used M113 TUA as a stand-in for tanks during their overseas peacekeeping ops- fascinating!  Is that MAG co-axial with the missile tubes?

And what if Canada did not replace those vehicles with LAV-III TUA?  Addon armours and bunker buster variant of TOW II to make them a better stand-in for tanks?
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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #287 on: March 10, 2016, 05:03:08 AM »
Precursor to the Vulcan armed M163 VADS:  a M113 with triple HS820 20mm cannon


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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #288 on: March 10, 2016, 06:39:49 PM »
Ditto:




Interesting and neat design Greg!
Is it a concept proposal?
What is its actual designation and its nationality??

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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #289 on: March 11, 2016, 02:43:24 AM »
It is designated the ACV-30 HISAR.  It is a Turkish development by Aselsan.  As of mid-2015 three prototypes of the system have been completed, with delivery of the first systems to the Turkish military for qualification planned for 2017.
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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #290 on: March 12, 2016, 01:30:31 AM »
  Is that MAG co-axial with the missile tubes?


Yes, 7.62mm FN MAG converted to right-hand feed. The MG reticle has marks appears on the same TOW reticle.


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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #291 on: March 14, 2016, 04:12:32 PM »
It is designated the ACV-30 HISAR.  It is a Turkish development by Aselsan.  As of mid-2015 three prototypes of the system have been completed, with delivery of the first systems to the Turkish military for qualification planned for 2017.

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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #292 on: May 22, 2016, 07:58:47 AM »
Modified M113s in Iraq:



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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #293 on: September 23, 2016, 05:45:40 AM »
A new one:  Philippine Army improved version of M113A2 with Elbit UT30 Mk.2 remote controlled weapons station 25mm auto cannon.



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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #294 on: September 23, 2016, 10:54:17 AM »
That's a big turret for just 25mm. I take it that it's designed to not take up internal volume in the vehicle?

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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #295 on: September 23, 2016, 12:28:10 PM »
...... M113A2 with Elbit UT30 Mk.2 remote controlled weapons station 25mm auto cannon.

Finally a RWS that places equal emphasis on both form and function  :D

That's a big turret for just 25mm. I take it that it's designed to not take up internal volume in the vehicle?

According to the company brochure, it is designed to accommodate up to 30mm and to have only the fire control console under-armour.
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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #296 on: September 23, 2016, 01:30:50 PM »
Geez, yeah, I read that in the designation, so I don't know what I was thinking when I typed that, but the point still stands. Considering you don't lose internal volume, that's not a bad system, I wouldn't think. That's still a pretty hefty turret, though.

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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #297 on: September 24, 2016, 04:34:02 AM »
Video showing them in action:

https://youtu.be/fauja1BOL7Y
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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #298 on: September 24, 2016, 04:38:32 AM »
More photos:




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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #299 on: September 24, 2016, 04:40:41 AM »
Nice.

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