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Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« on: March 25, 2012, 11:25:41 PM »
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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2012, 11:28:55 PM »
Cut down rear deck with all-around vision canopy and vertical stail strake as needed for stability & control purposes?

Of course, there's always that Yugoslav conversion to a DB601, too.

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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2012, 03:17:26 AM »
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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2012, 03:35:16 AM »
There was a sofback book/magazine out recently on the Hurricane that depicted various alternate engine fits studied by Hawker but not pursued.  Those would be interesting.  Assuming the windscreen remained basically unchanges, it does make for some variation in potential canopy changes.  One thought that occurs to me is redoing the aft turtledeck with windows, much like some of the Italian fighter prototypes had, rather than cutting it down.  That could follow as a second step with a fixed aft portion that would allow the existing sliding canopy, or something with similar interfaces with the airframe to be used as I can see a malcolm-style or blown canopy on the same frame as an approach without all the internal bracing the stock canopy has.

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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2012, 03:59:15 AM »
A good website -- click on the 'Projects' button

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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2012, 04:21:19 AM »
The Dagger-Hurricane reminds me of my Ranger/Menasco-Mustang proposal.

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« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2012, 06:40:25 AM »
An early Oerlikon-armed Hurricane proposal ... it'd be good for driving JMNs nuts  ;)
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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2012, 06:44:43 AM »
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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2012, 07:45:09 AM »
The Yugoslav DB-605 one looks like something the Italians would do with thier captured Hurricane.

How about a Hurri with the allison engine from a P-40B ?  end up looking somwhat like that Dagger-engined one but a bit more bullish.

I always liked the Ruski 2-seater -- model half-done - must finish it ...

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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2012, 10:02:11 AM »
How about a Hurri with the allison engine from a P-40B ?  ...

Here's my go at an Allison Hurricane with Tomahawk cowling. I suspect that the original radiator set-up is more aerodynamic than the Curtiss arrangement. But it looks kinda cool  :D
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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2012, 10:11:13 AM »
It does look cool.  I'm thinking, though, that using the Hurricane's radiator installation and allowing a smooth cowl under the engine would look pretty sharp, too.
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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2012, 10:18:24 AM »
Well okay then  ;)  I was saving this for a future story but what the heh ...
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« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2012, 10:26:15 AM »
Damn, that looks good!!

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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #13 on: March 26, 2012, 05:01:59 PM »
Those both look good.
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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #14 on: March 26, 2012, 09:44:44 PM »
Cut down rear deck with all-around vision canopy and vertical stail strake as needed for stability & control purposes?




Well, I did get us largely there...





I left off the tail strake as I decided it could be a depot level mod and might take some time to get around to all the units.
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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #15 on: March 27, 2012, 04:58:44 AM »
Take the wing panels off outboard of the guns and convert it to an autogiro. :)

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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #16 on: March 28, 2012, 09:03:22 AM »
Or maybe just lose the outer wing panels altogether and end the stub wings with an early version of gun pods?

[Image based on a Hurricane by Mihail Solanakis and an Avro C.30 by Teodor Liviu Morosanu.]

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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #17 on: March 28, 2012, 09:11:42 AM »
Very cool, apophenia.  I like that a lot.

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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #18 on: March 28, 2012, 09:18:43 AM »
Thanks Logan. Initially, I put a C.30 tail on her but it looked really goofy  :o
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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #19 on: March 28, 2012, 04:09:31 PM »
That deserves to be built in plastic!
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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #20 on: March 28, 2012, 05:55:17 PM »
Autogyro-cane...

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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #21 on: March 29, 2012, 01:34:28 AM »
Looks great!   I'd sure hate to have to bail out of this one though  :o
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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #22 on: March 29, 2012, 04:01:40 AM »
 ;D  Those blades are shown at rest. There's a lot more clearance when the rotor is turning. Still plenty of slice-and-dice potential though for any pilot unfortunate enough to have to bail out!
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« Reply #23 on: March 29, 2012, 04:53:00 AM »
I like it! :)
I was thinking of the Murmansk run or the Mid-Atlantic Gap with my suggestion. It probably can't catch a Condor... but the very presence of such means that the Condor has to be more circumspect. Guns pods are a great idea, you would want bigger rounds so that the one surprise pass you might get counts. The biggest advantage over the Catapult-Armed-Merchantman (CAM Ship) is that a Giroscope-Armed Merchantman (GAM Ship) can have a small flight deck for recovery. That means that the choice isn't between a suicide mission off Jan Mayen Island and driving off the Condor. Mid-Atlantic, as few as 6 GAMs prevents the wolfpacks from almost winning the Battle of the Atlantic. I figure the Girocane has to be just as fast as the poor Shagbat. :)

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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #24 on: March 31, 2012, 02:20:33 AM »
ASs per apo's drawing, the entire outer wings would have to come off if the autogiro is to be of the
'direct control' type ala the C.30 etc.
When autogiros went to the direct-control hub/rotor design the stub-wings went away as they were not
only no longer necessary for control, they were actually a detriment to control.

BTW as the rotor span would be in the neighborhood of, at least, 60+ feet, the footprint for take-off and
landing would be fairly large. The aircraft would also be considerably larger and heavier than any successfully
flown autogiro, it would also be the first one powered by a liquid-cooled engine since the C.7 (Hispano-Suiza 8Fb)
and C.8V (Wolseley Viper) and of the late '20s.
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