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Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« on: March 25, 2012, 11:25:41 PM »
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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2012, 11:28:55 PM »
Cut down rear deck with all-around vision canopy and vertical stail strake as needed for stability & control purposes?

Of course, there's always that Yugoslav conversion to a DB601, too.

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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2012, 03:17:26 AM »
Some I created earlier:











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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2012, 03:35:16 AM »
There was a sofback book/magazine out recently on the Hurricane that depicted various alternate engine fits studied by Hawker but not pursued.  Those would be interesting.  Assuming the windscreen remained basically unchanges, it does make for some variation in potential canopy changes.  One thought that occurs to me is redoing the aft turtledeck with windows, much like some of the Italian fighter prototypes had, rather than cutting it down.  That could follow as a second step with a fixed aft portion that would allow the existing sliding canopy, or something with similar interfaces with the airframe to be used as I can see a malcolm-style or blown canopy on the same frame as an approach without all the internal bracing the stock canopy has.

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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2012, 03:59:15 AM »
A good website -- click on the 'Projects' button

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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2012, 04:21:19 AM »
The Dagger-Hurricane reminds me of my Ranger/Menasco-Mustang proposal.

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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2012, 06:40:25 AM »
An early Oerlikon-armed Hurricane proposal ... it'd be good for driving JMNs nuts  ;)
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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2012, 06:44:43 AM »
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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2012, 07:45:09 AM »
The Yugoslav DB-605 one looks like something the Italians would do with thier captured Hurricane.

How about a Hurri with the allison engine from a P-40B ?  end up looking somwhat like that Dagger-engined one but a bit more bullish.

I always liked the Ruski 2-seater -- model half-done - must finish it ...

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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2012, 10:02:11 AM »
How about a Hurri with the allison engine from a P-40B ?  ...

Here's my go at an Allison Hurricane with Tomahawk cowling. I suspect that the original radiator set-up is more aerodynamic than the Curtiss arrangement. But it looks kinda cool  :D
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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2012, 10:11:13 AM »
It does look cool.  I'm thinking, though, that using the Hurricane's radiator installation and allowing a smooth cowl under the engine would look pretty sharp, too.
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« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2012, 10:18:24 AM »
Well okay then  ;)  I was saving this for a future story but what the heh ...
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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2012, 10:26:15 AM »
Damn, that looks good!!

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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #13 on: March 26, 2012, 05:01:59 PM »
Those both look good.
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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #14 on: March 26, 2012, 09:44:44 PM »
Cut down rear deck with all-around vision canopy and vertical stail strake as needed for stability & control purposes?




Well, I did get us largely there...





I left off the tail strake as I decided it could be a depot level mod and might take some time to get around to all the units.
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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #15 on: March 27, 2012, 04:58:44 AM »
Take the wing panels off outboard of the guns and convert it to an autogiro. :)

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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #16 on: March 28, 2012, 09:03:22 AM »
Or maybe just lose the outer wing panels altogether and end the stub wings with an early version of gun pods?

[Image based on a Hurricane by Mihail Solanakis and an Avro C.30 by Teodor Liviu Morosanu.]

upnorth: Nice to see the 'Bubble-cane' again  :)
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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #17 on: March 28, 2012, 09:11:42 AM »
Very cool, apophenia.  I like that a lot.

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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #18 on: March 28, 2012, 09:18:43 AM »
Thanks Logan. Initially, I put a C.30 tail on her but it looked really goofy  :o
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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #19 on: March 28, 2012, 04:09:31 PM »
That deserves to be built in plastic!
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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #20 on: March 28, 2012, 05:55:17 PM »
Autogyro-cane...

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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #21 on: March 29, 2012, 01:34:28 AM »
Looks great!   I'd sure hate to have to bail out of this one though  :o
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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #22 on: March 29, 2012, 04:01:40 AM »
 ;D  Those blades are shown at rest. There's a lot more clearance when the rotor is turning. Still plenty of slice-and-dice potential though for any pilot unfortunate enough to have to bail out!
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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #23 on: March 29, 2012, 04:53:00 AM »
I like it! :)
I was thinking of the Murmansk run or the Mid-Atlantic Gap with my suggestion. It probably can't catch a Condor... but the very presence of such means that the Condor has to be more circumspect. Guns pods are a great idea, you would want bigger rounds so that the one surprise pass you might get counts. The biggest advantage over the Catapult-Armed-Merchantman (CAM Ship) is that a Giroscope-Armed Merchantman (GAM Ship) can have a small flight deck for recovery. That means that the choice isn't between a suicide mission off Jan Mayen Island and driving off the Condor. Mid-Atlantic, as few as 6 GAMs prevents the wolfpacks from almost winning the Battle of the Atlantic. I figure the Girocane has to be just as fast as the poor Shagbat. :)

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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #24 on: March 31, 2012, 02:20:33 AM »
ASs per apo's drawing, the entire outer wings would have to come off if the autogiro is to be of the
'direct control' type ala the C.30 etc.
When autogiros went to the direct-control hub/rotor design the stub-wings went away as they were not
only no longer necessary for control, they were actually a detriment to control.

BTW as the rotor span would be in the neighborhood of, at least, 60+ feet, the footprint for take-off and
landing would be fairly large. The aircraft would also be considerably larger and heavier than any successfully
flown autogiro, it would also be the first one powered by a liquid-cooled engine since the C.7 (Hispano-Suiza 8Fb)
and C.8V (Wolseley Viper) and of the late '20s.
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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #25 on: May 03, 2012, 11:33:04 PM »
Early "Early" Hurricane maybe?  :)



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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #26 on: May 04, 2012, 12:50:54 AM »
Very nice.  Like D-501 and P-35 contemporaries.

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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #27 on: May 04, 2012, 02:06:42 AM »
Different!  I really like the second one!
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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #28 on: May 04, 2012, 08:08:30 AM »
I like the first one - looks like it's built to the same Air Ministry spec as the original crank-wing Spitfire !!

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« Reply #29 on: May 04, 2012, 04:14:31 PM »
I like the first one - looks like it's built to the same Air Ministry spec as the original crank-wing Spitfire !!

yes, spats came directly from 224, and cranked wing too, but with hurricane wing shape :)

strange thing I've noticed: if spats are removed, W wing appears placed too far forward, but I haven't changed horizontal surfaces position from stock hurricane.. someone noticed too?  ???

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« Reply #30 on: May 05, 2012, 05:15:05 AM »
strange thing I've noticed: if spats are removed, W wing appears placed too far forward, but I haven't changed horizontal surfaces position from stock hurricane.. someone noticed too?  ???

now you mention it - yes, it does look that way -- maybe a slightly longer nose would be better.  The rear fuselage looks a bit too long also  so move the cockpit back a bit ?

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« Reply #31 on: May 07, 2012, 09:44:17 AM »
Has anyone ever done the Hurricane Mk.V?
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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #32 on: May 07, 2012, 09:54:47 AM »
After some thinking about personal preferences, and after some difficulties on retractable undercarriage, i've decided to "finalize" the early hurricane concept, with my Hawker Storm (windy name, to maintain style).

Mk.I version, with open "Fury" cockpit and spats, like my previous profile; and now the Mk.Ib, with enclosed cockpit..



in this comparison is easy to see how positions and proportions aren't changed from stock hurricane, so i still have doubts on how is possible this great change in proportions perception..  :-\


And now for something "operative": a Zmaj produced Storm Mk.Ib from RYAF 6 Fighter Squadron (if i had understand well some strange serbian words  :-[ ) in 1939



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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #33 on: May 07, 2012, 11:37:32 AM »
You just keep getting better and better.  Those look wonderful.  I love the Yugoslavian profile.

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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #34 on: May 07, 2012, 12:58:50 PM »
I'd love to see it in styrene!
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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #35 on: May 07, 2012, 05:32:20 PM »
in this comparison is easy to see how positions and proportions aren't changed from stock hurricane, so i still have doubts on how is possible this great change in proportions perception..  :-\

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I can only imagine that coulour & shading has a big part in the deception to  our eyes ???

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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #36 on: May 07, 2012, 11:22:59 PM »
That is very cool!  :)
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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #37 on: May 09, 2012, 07:11:29 AM »
in this comparison is easy to see how positions and proportions aren't changed from stock hurricane, so i still have doubts on how is possible this great change in proportions perception..  :-\

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I can only imagine that coulour & shading has a big part in the deception to  our eyes ???

My guess after some comparison falls on lowered fuselage.. rear part seems much longer now, and protruding wing on profile gives more visibility of itself.. in hurris profile wing is less noticeable but is well forward  :D

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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #38 on: July 25, 2012, 09:59:44 AM »
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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #39 on: July 26, 2012, 11:55:10 PM »
^^^^^
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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #40 on: December 09, 2012, 05:39:03 PM »
Random idea:  Israeli Hurricane
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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #41 on: December 10, 2012, 01:31:01 AM »
I have a Revell Sea Hurricane which will eventually have a Malcom Hood canopy, clipped wings and be in overall GSB.
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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #42 on: December 10, 2012, 02:06:01 AM »
To elaborate a bit on the Storm idea in the practical world of 1:48 Hurricane models, one of the flaws of the Hobbycraft kits is the spine is baby butt smooth.   Put the Storm spine on it.   Enjoy.


For the Airfix 1:48 kit:   Aeroclub resin two blade prop.   Oil splash guard.   Ultracast exhausts and seat.  Spatted undercarriage as on the Storm but with a straight wing.   Convert to fabric wing.  BoB with white/black undersides.  Keep the canopy closed to emphasize modifications elsewhere.   
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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #43 on: January 08, 2013, 07:19:20 PM »
While looking to see if the Hurricane was tested with a 4 bladed propeller, I came across this profile:



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« Reply #44 on: January 09, 2013, 12:21:21 AM »
His eMail address was at the bottom of the page.  I just sent him a message inviting him to join us here at BTS.  :)
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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #46 on: January 19, 2013, 03:28:11 AM »
Those Omega Hurricanes are nice little models, I've got about eight of them in the stash -- all of different versions

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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #47 on: February 11, 2013, 12:33:16 PM »
The photographs of the new Airfix fabric winged Hurricane in 1/72 show what appears to be an incredible model.

Now to get one into fixed gear. 
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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #48 on: December 17, 2013, 03:53:27 PM »
There must be something between Hurricane and Typhoon


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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #49 on: December 17, 2013, 06:50:19 PM »
There must be something between Hurricane and Typhoon

There was, the Tornado.

But your idea looks a LOT better!  :)
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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #50 on: December 18, 2013, 01:58:25 AM »
I have always liked the Tornado - will build one one of these days…


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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #51 on: January 25, 2014, 01:26:03 AM »
Idle chatter:  It is seemingly now a reasonable hope that Airfix might tool up a 1/48 ragwing Hurricane.   That would simplify one project immensely.  :D
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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #52 on: January 26, 2014, 10:11:34 AM »
A Tornado with a bubble hood perhaps?

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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #53 on: February 16, 2017, 11:05:55 PM »
How about a dive bomber equivalent of the NA Apache?  Or perhaps rather than my preferred Hawker Henley FAA Scout/Dive Bomber, a smaller two seat Hurricane version.

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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #54 on: July 02, 2017, 05:35:30 AM »
Interesting photo:

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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #55 on: July 03, 2017, 02:49:48 PM »
Possibly one of Royal Yugoslav Air Force fighters captured after Axis occupation of Yugoslavia in April 1941...
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« Reply #56 on: July 03, 2017, 10:28:16 PM »
Neat camo scheme! :)
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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #57 on: July 03, 2017, 11:29:46 PM »
Purely Italian... not only that white nose and white stripe on fuselage were applied as quick-recognition markings, but the entire aircraft received the new colors. Yugoslav Hurries were painted in colors like in these two pics...
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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #58 on: July 04, 2017, 01:13:47 AM »
Interesting photo:


Meanwhile, I was digging through my hard drive and found these pics. Probably the same aircraft, ex-RYAF No 2337, with some aditional data...
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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #59 on: July 04, 2017, 02:04:15 AM »
 :)
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Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #60 on: May 20, 2018, 02:14:32 AM »
Random inspiration:


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