Beyond The Sprues
Modelling => Ideas & Inspiration => Land => Topic started by: GTX_Admin on June 14, 2015, 06:37:08 AM
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A thread for your AMX-13 series of vehicles Ideas and Inspiration
(http://www.military-today.com/tanks/amx_13.jpg)
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To begin with, what about South African AMX-13s instead of Centurions?
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How about a closer-co-operating Germany and France? German Army buys the AMX-13 and VCI series instead of the M113, and the French Army buys the Leo-I instead of the AMX-30.
OR, IRL, I couldn't see the British Army buying them because at the time, they thought they had to have a British-style right-hand driving position, hence developing the FV432 instead of buying the M113, while the AMX-13 had a left-side one. However they subsequently abandoned this idea (see the Warrior) so what if they abandoned it earlier? You could see the British Army buying the AMX-13 and VCI. Perhaps that might lead to the turreted version of the F2 105mm SPG going into production (only got as far as a prototype IRL) instead of the Abbot.
In whiff-world, you could "sell" AMX-13s to any real-world users of Chaffees, Walker-Bulldogs, Saladins, Scorpions or PT-76s.
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Using its turret to rehabilitate WWII-era medium tanks.
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Using its turret to rehabilitate WWII-era medium tanks.
like the Egyptian's did with their M4s?
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I only need a AMX-13 turret for a Marder-conversion. It was a real exist test-vehicle.
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Marder/102_2611_zps52a1c7f7.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/Marder/102_2611_zps52a1c7f7.jpg.html)
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Marder/102_2612_zps79eb3b85.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/Marder/102_2612_zps79eb3b85.jpg.html)
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Marder/102_0291_zps99c4d38b.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/Marder/102_0291_zps99c4d38b.jpg.html)
Didi (friend of 50 Marders)
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I only need a AMX-13 turret for a Marder-conversion. It was a real exist test-vehicle.
Nice one. :)
Wasn't there also a test vehicle with the turret mounted on a Saurer 4K-7FA chassis? (not that you can get a kit of that as far as I know...)
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Using its turret to rehabilitate WWII-era medium tanks.
It'd look good on some of the British cruiser tanks like the Cromwell or Comet. Not sure if the original 75mm gun is much of an upgrade on the Comet's 17pdr, but the 90mm and 105mm versions would be worth it.
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AMX-13 turret (FL-12) on a MOWAG Shark weapons platform (never made it into production):
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-B0mrRGegkh8/UY_D_Ny9gzI/AAAAAAAAxjo/U2aA8HDqMhU/s640/shark03.jpg)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-3wBK9zgflNA/UY_EHle6CQI/AAAAAAAAxj8/9U5eLLP_VCc/s640/b.jpg)
FL-12 turret on the ENGASA EE-17 Sucuri tank destroyer prototype:
(http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100522203224/military/images/3/34/0Sucuri_1.jpg)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-MjKqlnfJCK4/UWSBBmUQ8yI/AAAAAAAAVwI/yXRKLz_NC88/s1600/04.jpg)
(http://www.4wdaction.com.au/_phpBB/download/file.php?id=62190)
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Isn't the turret of Sk 105 a variant of AMX-13's turret?
And isn't a variant of Sk 105 turret armed with muzzlebrake-equipped 105mm L7?
(http://i.imgur.com/OfIBaXB.jpg)
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Was the oscillating turret a bit of a dead end? It doesn't seem to have adopted generally.
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Isn't the turret of Sk 105 a variant of AMX-13's turret?
And isn't a variant of Sk 105 turret armed with muzzlebrake-equipped 105mm L7?
([url]http://i.imgur.com/OfIBaXB.jpg[/url])
Yes to both. It's a Fives-Cail Babcock FL-12 (when it's 105mm).
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Was the oscillating turret a bit of a dead end? It doesn't seem to have adopted generally.
Pretty much. There are two problems with the AMX-13 turret:
1. There are only 12 rounds in the bustle-mounted autoloader. Even if the vehicle carriers more (and most ), they have to be loaded into the autoloader from outside.
2. It's difficult to NBC seal the gap between the turret upper and lower. The AMX-13 has a canvas seal, but it's vulnerable to wear and tear and battle-damage.
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Weaver thank you.
I always wondered about the efficacy of a system that has a canvas cover like the AMX. Wouldn't it have even been vulnerable to small arms fire?
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Weaver thank you.
I always wondered about the efficacy of a system that has a canvas cover like the AMX. Wouldn't it have even been vulnerable to small arms fire?
Indeed. The armour overlaps so the bullet can't get through to the interior, but it still rips the fabric. Of course all fabric mantle covers have this issue, but the AMX-type turret has a lot more square footage of it than most.
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AMX-13 cutaway and 3-view:
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-KGR7qGitKsA/U3CBEvtG0hI/AAAAAAAArok/sCnMVyUmPzY/s1600/amx13%5B1%5D.gif)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-BYkLf_d03Ec/U3CBSDCg0AI/AAAAAAAAros/-Um0nFaRKbk/s1600/AMX-13%5B1%5D.gif)
From here: http://machinesforwar.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/Tank (http://machinesforwar.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/Tank)
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Some additional missiles on this Peruvian AMX-13:
(http://www.armyrecognition.com/forum_pic/peru/AMX-13_Peruvian_Army_peru_forum_ArmyRecognition_001.jpg)
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You might have a state that changes from Eastern to Western suppliers and uses the 105mm armed FL-12 turret as an upgrade on PT-76 or Chinese Type 63 (? The PT-76-lookin' one with an 85mm) chassis.
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Using its turret to rehabilitate WWII-era medium tanks.
like the Egyptian's did with their M4s?
Using its turret to rehabilitate WWII-era medium tanks.
It'd look good on some of the British cruiser tanks like the Cromwell or Comet.
Yup- the M4 happened in real-life, I attempted mental notes on Cromwell and Comet, and I was thinking that Panzers III and IV as well as T-34-76 would make good candidates......
Using its turret to rehabilitate WWII-era medium tanks.
Not sure if the original 75mm gun is much of an upgrade on the Comet's 17pdr, but the 90mm and 105mm versions would be worth it.
I was thinking that 1960s might be plausible for 105mm gun, but hey, North Korea kept their T-34-76 all the way until now......
EDIT: It seems like T-34-76 is out- Strv m/42's 1500mm turret ring can't take the two-man autoloader turret, and T-34-76 has it even smaller (1420mm)......
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Something different:
(http://img07.deviantart.net/1caf/i/2014/010/6/1/daily_sketch___amx_13_75_by_adry53-d71m85s.jpg)
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I see it's a British mod. ;)
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AMX-13/105 Yonkav 2 is an Indonesian version of retrofit AMX-13/75 or 90 retrofit packet.
The plan was to upgrade the remaining AMX-13/75 or 90 that still in the army (despite many were being retired for the upcoming the Kaplan tank and Alvis Scorpion).
While the gun itself have the same upgrade packet that provided by the manufacturer (Nexter), which from 75mm CN90 F3 Cannon to 105mm CN105G1. And the turret was changed into FL-12.
Exploded view
https://forum.warthunder.com/uploads/monthly_2019_12/8292541991f47a52406ac66bf20efebafa2bc51.jpg.49005d3c2bf5cf4b31b2650dad20509d.jpg (https://forum.warthunder.com/uploads/monthly_2019_12/8292541991f47a52406ac66bf20efebafa2bc51.jpg.49005d3c2bf5cf4b31b2650dad20509d.jpg)
Urban Variant of Yonkav 2
https://i.redd.it/y9d8z89dxjs21.jpg (https://i.redd.it/y9d8z89dxjs21.jpg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWO15TOuNcA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWO15TOuNcA)
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ROCA AMX-13 ???
(Actually it's a Singaporean AMX-13SM1 training in Taiwan and wearing ROCA serial number for administrative purposes.)
Source collection HERE (https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?vanity=711101925600979&set=a.4061828773861594)!
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AMX-13 with HOT missiles:
(https://media-exp1.licdn.com/dms/image/C4E12AQEy-VuApxoLxw/article-inline_image-shrink_1000_1488/0/1619626222725?e=1625097600&v=beta&t=gavd60iLDy4GvlvMvUE6EQfkJunsJ2YWymRfG7CCZ9g)
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AA versions:
(https://img.over-blog-kiwi.com/1/47/73/87/20190206/ob_efccc6_photo-amx-13-2.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EP-q3-WW4AAaxVn?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EP-q397X0AEffuM?format=jpg&name=900x900)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EP-q397XkAA2dYq?format=jpg&name=900x900)
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fe/9f/f4/fe9ff4637bb9a9f8745717943c5bf14d.jpg)
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MLRS:
(https://www.militaryimages.net/media/amx-13-mlrs160.29566/full)
(https://www.militaryimages.net/media/amx-13-mlrs160.29567/full)
(https://i1.wp.com/www.fav-club.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/infografia_lar160.jpg?resize=640,309)
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Ontos style:
(https://external-preview.redd.it/OTOFRA8INIYb2zDIsOohIBo7wiWZmd8xUAspa-q9AhA.jpg?auto=webp&s=b61d7353518f94dc1c2d1c470540ca797e7a86ce)
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ROCA AMX-13 ???
(Actually it's a Singaporean AMX-13SM1 training in Taiwan and wearing ROCA serial number for administrative purposes.)
Source collection HERE (https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?vanity=711101925600979&set=a.4061828773861594)!
Sorry, I detract from the main thread, but I find it fascinating how Singapore has been able to physically and politically been able to establish so many foreign training areas - If I remember correctly, it's included France, United States, Australia and now as depicted - Taiwan 🤔😯
MAD
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AA versions:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EP-q397X0AEffuM?format=jpg&name=900x900)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EP-q397XkAA2dYq?format=jpg&name=900x900)
TA-20 20mm turret with RA-20 search and tracking radar is very compact and impressive AAA turret arrangement IMO. Would it take much for this turret to be upgraded to 25mm cannon?
MAD
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If I may, I've just read:
The AMX VTT/VCI was the first French APC and IFV (Infantry fighting vehicle). It was developed in the 1950s based on the prolific light tank AMX-13 after a specification of 1952 from the army for an APC, and two rejected prototypes from Hotchkiss.
For a 'whatif', does any one have the designation, pictures/drawings of these 'two Hotchkiss prototypes?🤔
MAD
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I'm presuming the Hotchkiss CC 2/Hotchkiss TT 6 which led to the Hotchkiss SP1A which led to the Schützenpanzer SPz 11-2 Kurz and related (shown alongside):
(https://live.staticflickr.com/4595/39114059401_3f57880d9e_b.jpg)
See here: https://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldwar/West_Germany/Schutzenpanzer-Kurz-11-2.php (https://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldwar/West_Germany/Schutzenpanzer-Kurz-11-2.php)
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I also assumed the TT6 was one
https://www.the-blueprints.com/blueprints/tanks/tanks-g-j/72054/view/hotchkiss_tt6_m1955/ (https://www.the-blueprints.com/blueprints/tanks/tanks-g-j/72054/view/hotchkiss_tt6_m1955/)
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Thank you GTX and Jonesthetank, much appreciated 👍
MAD
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Yeah, I know - Austrian derivative but this one's for Hobbits. Maybe it's battery powered, Musk style?
(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/0d/b2/32/0db2322c94e3d3ae96b5e747d37cf2a0.jpg)
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No room for batteries or motors... so powered a la Flintstone?
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One shot is all you get! The recoil would flip it over!
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No room for batteries or motors... so powered a la Flintstone?
Turret bustlerack holds one TESLA battery, has a range of 27 miles and a TAMIYA traverse motor/gearbox connecting the drive sprockets ;D
(https://www.towerhobbies.com/dw/image/v2/BFBR_PRD/on/demandware.static/-/Sites-horizon-master/default/dwaac1bc46/Images/TAM/TAM70108_A0_2UBBYSAE.jpg?sw=800&sh=800&sm=fit)
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No room for batteries or motors... so powered a la Flintstone?
Turret bustlerack holds one TESLA battery, has a range of 27 miles and a TAMIYA traverse motor/gearbox connecting the drive sprockets ;D
(https://www.towerhobbies.com/dw/image/v2/BFBR_PRD/on/demandware.static/-/Sites-horizon-master/default/dwaac1bc46/Images/TAM/TAM70108_A0_2UBBYSAE.jpg?sw=800&sh=800&sm=fit)
That sounds & looks about right! ;D ;D
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One shot is all you get! The recoil would flip it over!
I'm thinking the main gun is a dummy (or maybe a permeant .50 cal subcal) and that the Hoffman Device (over the tube) is it's primary weapon.
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(https://imgb.ifunny.co/images/e89b00ba647bfbce2cf2cb4d6356f562aeb28c559062a6e2d428fe87999440ec_1.jpg)
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'murica - we got that covered
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvoeGQnbdBw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvoeGQnbdBw)