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Modelling => Ideas & Inspiration => Aero-space => Topic started by: taiidantomcat on February 10, 2013, 02:54:03 AM

Title: VLO, LO, and other Stealthy Ideas
Post by: taiidantomcat on February 10, 2013, 02:54:03 AM
(http://www.aviationweek.com/media/images/fullsize/Defense/Fighters/NextGenFighter-LockMart.jpg)

(http://www.aviationexplorer.com/Russian%20Sukhoi%20T-50%20PAK%20FA%20Stealth%20Fighter/T-50_YF-23_F-22_F-35_Air_Force_Aircraft_Comparison.jpg)

(http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/f-117-camo.jpg)

(http://www.afwing.com/intro/f117/f117p92.jpg)

(http://www.janetairlines.com/vlb2/data/images2/f23n.jpg)

(http://data3.primeportal.net/hangar/michael_block/f-22a_raptor/images/f-22a_raptor_20_of_81.jpg)
Title: Re: VLO, LO, and other Stealthy Ideas
Post by: Rickshaw on February 10, 2013, 11:53:26 AM
(http://www.globalpost.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/gp3_small_article/photos/2013-February/iran_fighter.jpg)
(http://theaviationist.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Q-313-2.jpg)
(http://images.defensetech.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Iran-stealth-490x326.jpg)
(http://www.ecnmag.com/sites/ecnmag.com/files/legacyimages/iranplane-shiny03.jpg)
(http://aviationintel.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Iranian-Qaher-F-313-Stealth-Fighter-Jet-PrototypeMock-up-Qaher-F-313-or-Conqueror-313-is-the-latest-design-produced-by-the-Islamic-Republic-Iranian-air-force-IIAF-8.jpg)
Title: Re: VLO, LO, and other Stealthy Ideas
Post by: raafif on February 10, 2013, 12:36:22 PM
We really should issue an invite to the Iranian Air Force ...... their scale models are great !! ;D
Title: Re: VLO, LO, and other Stealthy Ideas
Post by: taiidantomcat on February 10, 2013, 02:58:55 PM
(http://www.aviationearth.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/b2_bomber_refueling.gif)

(http://impdb.org/images/a/a1/StealthEDI.jpg)

(http://www.1zoom.net/big2/2/230558-Berserker.jpg)
Title: Re: VLO, LO, and other Stealthy Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 10, 2013, 07:35:04 PM
We really should issue an invite to the Iranian Air Force ...... their scale models are great !! ;D

And they're right into the whiffing thing... ;D
Title: Re: VLO, LO, and other Stealthy Ideas
Post by: Volkodav on February 10, 2013, 08:18:29 PM
We really should issue an invite to the Iranian Air Force ...... their scale models are great !! ;D

And they're right into the whiffing thing... ;D

Personally I am not too impressed with their efforts to date, you guys leave them for dead for realism and believability.
Title: Re: VLO, LO, and other Stealthy Ideas
Post by: dy031101 on February 11, 2013, 12:49:30 AM
Personally I am not too impressed with their efforts to date......

That's the price one has to pay now to achieve future self-sufficiency.  The entry-level now is a far cry from, say, back when the PRC got started.

Besides, that thing in its flyable form is probably just a tech demonstrator......
Title: Re: VLO, LO, and other Stealthy Ideas
Post by: taiidantomcat on February 11, 2013, 02:11:34 AM
(http://aviationintel.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/8c5b1f0c-9f9a-497a-8144-803cd0e9a52d_Full-450x298.jpg)

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Cqsz8W7tuTI/Rzvc2pQYHqI/AAAAAAAAD2c/5imKZ2zrm10/s400/birdofprey.JPG)

(http://www.wallchan.com/images/sandbox/87888-stealth-eurofighter.jpg)

Title: Re: VLO, LO, and other Stealthy Ideas
Post by: Litvyak on February 11, 2013, 02:30:04 AM
([url]http://impdb.org/images/a/a1/StealthEDI.jpg[/url])


This thing is effing scary.
Title: Re: VLO, LO, and other Stealthy Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 11, 2013, 03:47:06 AM
Yeah...and the movie was terrifying as well...still have nightmares over just how awful it was. 8)
Title: Re: VLO, LO, and other Stealthy Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 11, 2013, 03:47:38 AM
Love the uber-typhoon.
Title: Re: VLO, LO, and other Stealthy Ideas
Post by: Litvyak on February 11, 2013, 04:20:06 AM
Yeah...and the movie was terrifying as well...still have nightmares over just how awful it was. 8)

Movie?
Title: Re: VLO, LO, and other Stealthy Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 11, 2013, 04:33:30 AM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5a/Stealth_poster.jpg)

Stealth (Trailer 2005) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goPki_V34xA#ws)
Title: Re: VLO, LO, and other Stealthy Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 11, 2013, 04:36:14 AM
There is even a kit available:

(http://www.modelermagic.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/EDI-UCAVBoxArt-500a.jpg)
Title: Re: VLO, LO, and other Stealthy Ideas
Post by: Litvyak on February 11, 2013, 04:38:50 AM
Egh.
Title: Re: VLO, LO, and other Stealthy Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 11, 2013, 04:44:40 AM
Egh.

Well,  you were warned.
Title: Re: VLO, LO, and other Stealthy Ideas
Post by: dy031101 on February 11, 2013, 05:10:46 AM
Egh.

Well,  you were warned.

It wasn't that bad if you aren't looking for anything beyond stuff blowing up, which is all that movie is good for.
Title: Re: VLO, LO, and other Stealthy Ideas
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on February 11, 2013, 06:53:12 AM
Yeah...and the movie was terrifying as well...still have nightmares over just how awful it was. 8)

The only redeeming quality from that sad film was Jessica in a G-Suit and a bathing suit. :) 
Title: Re: VLO, LO, and other Stealthy Ideas
Post by: Rickshaw on February 11, 2013, 08:21:46 AM
Yeah...and the movie was terrifying as well...still have nightmares over just how awful it was. 8)

I have fond memories of Jessica Biel in it...  ;D
Title: Re: VLO, LO, and other Stealthy Ideas
Post by: Rickshaw on February 11, 2013, 08:22:57 AM
Yeah...and the movie was terrifying as well...still have nightmares over just how awful it was. 8)

The only redeeming quality from that sad film was Jessica in a G-Suit and a bathing suit. :)

Exactly!  ;D
Title: Re: VLO, LO, and other Stealthy Ideas
Post by: taiidantomcat on February 16, 2013, 03:09:52 AM
(http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=12597.0;attach=183744;image)

From the movie Zero Dark Thirty
Title: Re: VLO, LO, and other Stealthy Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 21, 2013, 10:34:20 AM
Although the Iranian mock up looks ridiculous, this artist's impression of a developed version looks cool:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/photo_zps5333d1a6.jpg)
Title: Re: VLO, LO, and other Stealthy Ideas
Post by: taiidantomcat on February 25, 2013, 11:57:06 PM
(http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2392.0;attach=20345)
Title: Re: VLO, LO, and other Stealthy Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 26, 2013, 05:11:53 AM
(http://images.theage.com.au/2013/02/13/4027847/art-jet21-620x349.jpg) (http://www.theage.com.au/technology/technology-news/irans-laughable-fighter-jet-caught-out-in-photoshop-blunder-20130213-2ebwb.html)

Click on image to see the story.
Title: Re: VLO, LO, and other Stealthy Ideas
Post by: Caveman on February 26, 2013, 07:18:51 AM
:)

i like that they couldnt be bothered to even photo shop out the obviously open gear doors :)
Title: Re: VLO, LO, and other Stealthy Ideas
Post by: Cliffy B on February 26, 2013, 07:33:40 AM
I like that they couldn't be bothered to even photo shop out the obviously open gear doors :)

Shhhh....you're not supposed to be knowledgeable enough to notice that  ;)
Title: Re: VLO, LO, and other Stealthy Ideas
Post by: dy031101 on February 26, 2013, 09:02:48 AM
Seriously...... like all in a sudden we wouldn't be able to tell that this is an artist's impression......

Of course with Iran keeping hyping up their mock ups and all, people just might stop buying into the idea of Iranian ingenuity one of these days......
Title: Re: VLO, LO, and other Stealthy Ideas
Post by: taiidantomcat on February 26, 2013, 12:30:53 PM
(http://forum.globaltimes.cn/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=9720&d=1257211420)
Title: Re: VLO, LO, and other Stealthy Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 06, 2013, 03:47:07 AM
Just a cool image:

(http://www.chinanews.com/mil/hd2011/2013/01-18/U436P4T426D166961F16470DT20130118100130.jpg)
Title: Re: VLO, LO, and other Stealthy Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 06, 2013, 03:50:58 AM
([url]http://www.globalpost.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/gp3_small_article/photos/2013-February/iran_fighter.jpg[/url])
([url]http://theaviationist.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Q-313-2.jpg[/url])
([url]http://images.defensetech.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Iran-stealth-490x326.jpg[/url])
([url]http://www.ecnmag.com/sites/ecnmag.com/files/legacyimages/iranplane-shiny03.jpg[/url])
([url]http://aviationintel.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Iranian-Qaher-F-313-Stealth-Fighter-Jet-PrototypeMock-up-Qaher-F-313-or-Conqueror-313-is-the-latest-design-produced-by-the-Islamic-Republic-Iranian-air-force-IIAF-8.jpg[/url])


Oh look - there is now a model available:

http://foxonemodel.fc2web.com/air_gallery/F313/f313.html (http://foxonemodel.fc2web.com/air_gallery/F313/f313.html)
Title: Re: VLO, LO, and other Stealthy Ideas
Post by: Rickshaw on April 06, 2013, 07:14:49 PM
1/144 with stencilling?   :icon_surprised:
Title: Re: VLO, LO, and other Stealthy Ideas
Post by: taiidantomcat on April 07, 2013, 01:38:58 AM
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-jkqvnjXRnQQ/UTBu2_hnKeI/AAAAAAAAK3I/56n8egtbZyc/s640/kfx.jpg)
Title: Re: VLO, LO, and other Stealthy Ideas
Post by: elmayerle on April 07, 2013, 09:39:33 AM
([url]http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2392.0;attach=20345[/url])

Nice artist's rendering of McDD's JSF entry.  They were dropped when their vstol version went from the air-driven lift fan to a separate lift engine, in violation of the rules of the competition.  A shame, really, since theirs was a better aerodynamic concept than Boeing's.
Title: Re: VLO, LO, and other Stealthy Ideas
Post by: taiidantomcat on February 08, 2014, 12:45:37 AM
(http://blog.kierankelly.net/wp-content/uploads/chris_moore_grounded.jpg)
Title: Re: VLO, LO, and other Stealthy Ideas
Post by: taiidantomcat on February 08, 2014, 02:20:53 AM
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/7b66fb64bae41ad7335718a6a40d8aab/tumblr_n068i6nkkB1sb6iwko1_1280.jpg)

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/1c013350d898a12036cadc0e1584616f/tumblr_myvo12oI6i1sb6iwko1_1280.jpg)
Title: Re: VLO, LO, and other Stealthy Ideas
Post by: jschmus on September 23, 2015, 07:02:55 AM
Turns out Boeing have been kicking around low-observable since the early 1960s.

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/never-seen-photos-of-boeings-1960s-stealth-jet-concept-1732308296 (http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/never-seen-photos-of-boeings-1960s-stealth-jet-concept-1732308296)
Title: Re: VLO, LO, and other Stealthy Ideas
Post by: elmayerle on September 23, 2015, 07:41:32 AM
Fascinating, that head-on shot reminds me very much of an inverted TSSAM.  From the lectures I've heard, I know that Northrop was working on LO concepts then, too, as troubles in tracking Snark test units in flight made them realize what could be accomplished.  Wonder what other tidbits are out there?
Title: Re: VLO, LO, and other Stealthy Ideas
Post by: Rickshaw on September 23, 2015, 10:11:29 AM
What I am surprised about when discussing LO is that how much is not known by the commentators, which was and is in the public domain.  English Electric/BAC was playing with LO in the 1960s, even to the point of painting a Canberra in LO paint and seeing what effect that had on radar returns.  The drone company Ryan was fielding drones which featured LO blankets attached to their airframes in the late 1960s (and flying them).  Both these items were detailed in the books on the topic (Putnam's "English Electric aircraft since XXXX" and "Lightning Bugs and other Reconnaissance Drones", both published in the 1980s).
Title: Re: VLO, LO, and other Stealthy Ideas
Post by: The Big Gimper on January 12, 2017, 11:54:11 PM
Lockheed Martin unveils wing-body tanker concept for refuel stealth aircraft

(http://defence-blog.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/C15rd4TWQAA5sbH-696x522.jpg)

Lockheed Martin has unveiled its concept of next-generation wing-body tanker aircraft for refuel fighters like the F-22 and F-35. That was reported by Graham Warwick.

The concept of new stealth tanker aircraft was displayed for the first time at AIAA SciTech Forum. Lockheed has already begun wind-tunnel testing on a four percent scale model of a new Hybrid Wing Body (HWB) airlifter designed for maximized aerodynamic efficiency. As Lockheed’s aerospace engineers conduct flight tests on the 45-pound HWB model, they could use the data not only to develop the HWB but also to jumpstart a tanker program with a similar blended wing-body design.

Full story at Defence Blog (http://defence-blog.com/news/lockheed-martin-unveils-wing-body-tanker-concept-for-refuel-stealth-aircraft.html)
Title: Re: VLO, LO, and other Stealthy Ideas
Post by: taiidantomcat on January 13, 2017, 12:21:27 AM
Wow :icon_surprised:
Title: Re: VLO, LO, and other Stealthy Ideas
Post by: Volkodav on January 13, 2017, 04:26:14 PM
This is basically what was predicted back when Boeing was given the initial 767 tanker lease deal, i.e. that lockheeds Skunk Works was working on a stealthy tactical tanker that would not only supplement the strategic tanker force but would eventually become the platform of choice to replace the various airliner based ISR types.
Title: Re: VLO, LO, and other Stealthy Ideas
Post by: The Big Gimper on August 17, 2023, 06:27:28 AM
The Department of the Air Force selected JetZero for the next phase of a blended wing body prototype aircraft project Aug. 16.

The effort aims to mature BWB technology and demonstrate its capabilities, giving the department and commercial industry more options for future air platforms.

....

The Air Force Operational Energy Office expects completion of initial flight testing as early as 2027.

Source: https://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/3494520/daf-selects-jetzero-to-develop-blended-wing-body-aircraft-prototype/ (https://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/3494520/daf-selects-jetzero-to-develop-blended-wing-body-aircraft-prototype/)

(https://media.defense.gov/2023/Aug/16/2003282050/500/500/0/230816-F-AF000-1001.JPG)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F3rqbokWAAACxXH?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: VLO, LO, and other Stealthy Ideas
Post by: Kerick on August 17, 2023, 08:48:24 AM
Combine LO with Robbie the robot flying the plane!

https://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/3481081/afrl-ai-agents-successfully-pilot-xq-58a-valkyrie-uncrewed-jet-aircraft/ (https://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/3481081/afrl-ai-agents-successfully-pilot-xq-58a-valkyrie-uncrewed-jet-aircraft/)
Title: Re: VLO, LO, and other Stealthy Ideas
Post by: kim margosein on August 18, 2023, 10:34:30 AM
BWB has been around for decades, yet about the only aircraft that made it into production is the B-2.   Why?
Title: Re: VLO, LO, and other Stealthy Ideas
Post by: Kerick on August 18, 2023, 12:07:26 PM
Boeing has been pushing it for years.
Sometimes when something looks so different people won’t go for it even when it’s a better idea.