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Title: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: gofy on March 25, 2012, 11:25:41 PM
Griffon

Packard Merlin

Jet (Now I'm going insane >:D)

Hurri nose on a Typhoon...
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on March 25, 2012, 11:28:55 PM
Cut down rear deck with all-around vision canopy and vertical stail strake as needed for stability & control purposes?

Of course, there's always that Yugoslav conversion to a DB601, too.
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 26, 2012, 03:17:26 AM
Some I created earlier:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/melbsyd/hurriradspat.jpg)

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/melbsyd/hurrfpre.jpg)

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/melbsyd/hurrradmh.jpg)

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/melbsyd/hurrradbc.jpg)

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/melbsyd/hurrradbcam.jpg)

Regards,

Greg
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on March 26, 2012, 03:35:16 AM
There was a sofback book/magazine out recently on the Hurricane that depicted various alternate engine fits studied by Hawker but not pursued.  Those would be interesting.  Assuming the windscreen remained basically unchanges, it does make for some variation in potential canopy changes.  One thought that occurs to me is redoing the aft turtledeck with windows, much like some of the Italian fighter prototypes had, rather than cutting it down.  That could follow as a second step with a fixed aft portion that would allow the existing sliding canopy, or something with similar interfaces with the airframe to be used as I can see a malcolm-style or blown canopy on the same frame as an approach without all the internal bracing the stock canopy has.
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on March 26, 2012, 03:59:15 AM
A good website -- click on the 'Projects' button

http://www.k5083.mistral.co.uk/main2.htm (http://www.k5083.mistral.co.uk/main2.htm)
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on March 26, 2012, 04:21:19 AM
The Dagger-Hurricane reminds me of my Ranger/Menasco-Mustang proposal.
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: apophenia on March 26, 2012, 06:40:25 AM
An early Oerlikon-armed Hurricane proposal ... it'd be good for driving JMNs nuts  ;)
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: gofy on March 26, 2012, 06:44:43 AM
Quote
it'd be good for driving JMNs nuts
 
Indeed!!
Mr. Gofy
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: raafif on March 26, 2012, 07:45:09 AM
The Yugoslav DB-605 one looks like something the Italians would do with thier captured Hurricane.

How about a Hurri with the allison engine from a P-40B ?  end up looking somwhat like that Dagger-engined one but a bit more bullish.

I always liked the Ruski 2-seater -- model half-done - must finish it ...
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: apophenia on March 26, 2012, 10:02:11 AM
How about a Hurri with the allison engine from a P-40B ?  ...

Here's my go at an Allison Hurricane with Tomahawk cowling. I suspect that the original radiator set-up is more aerodynamic than the Curtiss arrangement. But it looks kinda cool  :D
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on March 26, 2012, 10:11:13 AM
It does look cool.  I'm thinking, though, that using the Hurricane's radiator installation and allowing a smooth cowl under the engine would look pretty sharp, too.
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: apophenia on March 26, 2012, 10:18:24 AM
Well okay then  ;)  I was saving this for a future story but what the heh ...
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on March 26, 2012, 10:26:15 AM
Damn, that looks good!!
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 26, 2012, 05:01:59 PM
Those both look good.
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: upnorth on March 26, 2012, 09:44:44 PM
Cut down rear deck with all-around vision canopy and vertical stail strake as needed for stability & control purposes?




Well, I did get us largely there...

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e59/cancze/bubblecane/2009_0427bubblecane0007.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e59/cancze/bubblecane/2009_0425bubblecane0001.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e59/cancze/bubblecane/2009_0425bubblecane0005.jpg)

I left off the tail strake as I decided it could be a depot level mod and might take some time to get around to all the units.
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Silver Fox on March 27, 2012, 04:58:44 AM
Take the wing panels off outboard of the guns and convert it to an autogiro. :)
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: apophenia on March 28, 2012, 09:03:22 AM
Or maybe just lose the outer wing panels altogether and end the stub wings with an early version of gun pods?

[Image based on a Hurricane by Mihail Solanakis and an Avro C.30 by Teodor Liviu Morosanu.]

upnorth: Nice to see the 'Bubble-cane' again  :)
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Logan Hartke on March 28, 2012, 09:11:42 AM
Very cool, apophenia.  I like that a lot.

Cheers,

Logan
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: apophenia on March 28, 2012, 09:18:43 AM
Thanks Logan. Initially, I put a C.30 tail on her but it looked really goofy  :o
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 28, 2012, 04:09:31 PM
That deserves to be built in plastic!
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: upnorth on March 28, 2012, 05:55:17 PM
Autogyro-cane...

I like it!
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Doom! on March 29, 2012, 01:34:28 AM
Looks great!   I'd sure hate to have to bail out of this one though  :o
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: apophenia on March 29, 2012, 04:01:40 AM
 ;D  Those blades are shown at rest. There's a lot more clearance when the rotor is turning. Still plenty of slice-and-dice potential though for any pilot unfortunate enough to have to bail out!
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Silver Fox on March 29, 2012, 04:53:00 AM
I like it! :)
I was thinking of the Murmansk run or the Mid-Atlantic Gap with my suggestion. It probably can't catch a Condor... but the very presence of such means that the Condor has to be more circumspect. Guns pods are a great idea, you would want bigger rounds so that the one surprise pass you might get counts. The biggest advantage over the Catapult-Armed-Merchantman (CAM Ship) is that a Giroscope-Armed Merchantman (GAM Ship) can have a small flight deck for recovery. That means that the choice isn't between a suicide mission off Jan Mayen Island and driving off the Condor. Mid-Atlantic, as few as 6 GAMs prevents the wolfpacks from almost winning the Battle of the Atlantic. I figure the Girocane has to be just as fast as the poor Shagbat. :)
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: jcf on March 31, 2012, 02:20:33 AM
ASs per apo's drawing, the entire outer wings would have to come off if the autogiro is to be of the
'direct control' type ala the C.30 etc.
When autogiros went to the direct-control hub/rotor design the stub-wings went away as they were not
only no longer necessary for control, they were actually a detriment to control.

BTW as the rotor span would be in the neighborhood of, at least, 60+ feet, the footprint for take-off and
landing would be fairly large. The aircraft would also be considerably larger and heavier than any successfully
flown autogiro, it would also be the first one powered by a liquid-cooled engine since the C.7 (Hispano-Suiza 8Fb)
and C.8V (Wolseley Viper) and of the late '20s.
 :icon_fsm:
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: A1_Phoenix on May 03, 2012, 11:33:04 PM
Early "Early" Hurricane maybe?  :)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v414/NoNNo_83/Hurricane34whif.jpg)

Merlin C, 8x0.303, bent wing & spats (Supermarine 224 style), open cockpit..

Or intermediate version, closed cockpit and retractable undercarriage (WIP)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v414/NoNNo_83/WipHurri35.jpg)

S!
A1
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Logan Hartke on May 04, 2012, 12:50:54 AM
Very nice.  Like D-501 and P-35 contemporaries.

Cheers,

Logan
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 04, 2012, 02:06:42 AM
Different!  I really like the second one!
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: raafif on May 04, 2012, 08:08:30 AM
I like the first one - looks like it's built to the same Air Ministry spec as the original crank-wing Spitfire !!
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: A1_Phoenix on May 04, 2012, 04:14:31 PM
I like the first one - looks like it's built to the same Air Ministry spec as the original crank-wing Spitfire !!

yes, spats came directly from 224, and cranked wing too, but with hurricane wing shape :)

strange thing I've noticed: if spats are removed, W wing appears placed too far forward, but I haven't changed horizontal surfaces position from stock hurricane.. someone noticed too?  ???

S!
A1
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: raafif on May 05, 2012, 05:15:05 AM
strange thing I've noticed: if spats are removed, W wing appears placed too far forward, but I haven't changed horizontal surfaces position from stock hurricane.. someone noticed too?  ???

now you mention it - yes, it does look that way -- maybe a slightly longer nose would be better.  The rear fuselage looks a bit too long also  so move the cockpit back a bit ?
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: apophenia on May 07, 2012, 09:44:17 AM
Has anyone ever done the Hurricane Mk.V?
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: A1_Phoenix on May 07, 2012, 09:54:47 AM
After some thinking about personal preferences, and after some difficulties on retractable undercarriage, i've decided to "finalize" the early hurricane concept, with my Hawker Storm (windy name, to maintain style).

Mk.I version, with open "Fury" cockpit and spats, like my previous profile; and now the Mk.Ib, with enclosed cockpit..

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v414/NoNNo_83/HawkerStormMkIb_NakedComparison.jpg)

in this comparison is easy to see how positions and proportions aren't changed from stock hurricane, so i still have doubts on how is possible this great change in proportions perception..  :-\


And now for something "operative": a Zmaj produced Storm Mk.Ib from RYAF 6 Fighter Squadron (if i had understand well some strange serbian words  :-[ ) in 1939

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v414/NoNNo_83/HawkerStormMkIb_RYAF.jpg)

S!
A1
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Logan Hartke on May 07, 2012, 11:37:32 AM
You just keep getting better and better.  Those look wonderful.  I love the Yugoslavian profile.

Cheers,

Logan
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Daryl J. on May 07, 2012, 12:58:50 PM
I'd love to see it in styrene!
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: raafif on May 07, 2012, 05:32:20 PM
in this comparison is easy to see how positions and proportions aren't changed from stock hurricane, so i still have doubts on how is possible this great change in proportions perception..  :-\

S!
A1

I can only imagine that coulour & shading has a big part in the deception to  our eyes ???
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Doom! on May 07, 2012, 11:22:59 PM
That is very cool!  :)
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: A1_Phoenix on May 09, 2012, 07:11:29 AM
in this comparison is easy to see how positions and proportions aren't changed from stock hurricane, so i still have doubts on how is possible this great change in proportions perception..  :-\

S!
A1

I can only imagine that coulour & shading has a big part in the deception to  our eyes ???

My guess after some comparison falls on lowered fuselage.. rear part seems much longer now, and protruding wing on profile gives more visibility of itself.. in hurris profile wing is less noticeable but is well forward  :D
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 25, 2012, 09:59:44 AM
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/hurriFPS.jpg)
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: ysi_maniac on July 26, 2012, 11:55:10 PM
^^^^^
I love them! :-* :-*
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on December 09, 2012, 05:39:03 PM
Random idea:  Israeli Hurricane
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: The Big Gimper on December 10, 2012, 01:31:01 AM
I have a Revell Sea Hurricane which will eventually have a Malcom Hood canopy, clipped wings and be in overall GSB.
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Daryl J. on December 10, 2012, 02:06:01 AM
To elaborate a bit on the Storm idea in the practical world of 1:48 Hurricane models, one of the flaws of the Hobbycraft kits is the spine is baby butt smooth.   Put the Storm spine on it.   Enjoy.


For the Airfix 1:48 kit:   Aeroclub resin two blade prop.   Oil splash guard.   Ultracast exhausts and seat.  Spatted undercarriage as on the Storm but with a straight wing.   Convert to fabric wing.  BoB with white/black undersides.  Keep the canopy closed to emphasize modifications elsewhere.   
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: The Big Gimper on January 08, 2013, 07:19:20 PM
While looking to see if the Hurricane was tested with a 4 bladed propeller, I came across this profile:

(http://www.glennballdesigns.com/2005working/HurriX.jpg)

Glenn lives in Vermont Victoria Australia. Maybe a local mate could drop him a line to ask him to join and share his works?

Source: http://www.glennballdesigns.com/Aircraft.html (http://www.glennballdesigns.com/Aircraft.html)
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on January 09, 2013, 12:21:21 AM
His eMail address was at the bottom of the page.  I just sent him a message inviting him to join us here at BTS.  :)
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: smeds on January 19, 2013, 02:28:32 AM
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b28/smeders/f4bb7d7d2e72df64640bc379d28d3770.jpg)
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on January 19, 2013, 03:28:11 AM
Those Omega Hurricanes are nice little models, I've got about eight of them in the stash -- all of different versions
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Daryl J. on February 11, 2013, 12:33:16 PM
The photographs of the new Airfix fabric winged Hurricane in 1/72 show what appears to be an incredible model.

Now to get one into fixed gear. 
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: ysi_maniac on December 17, 2013, 03:53:27 PM
There must be something between Hurricane and Typhoon

(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/Hurricane-typhoon.jpg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/Hurricane-typhoon.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 17, 2013, 06:50:19 PM
There must be something between Hurricane and Typhoon

There was, the Tornado.

But your idea looks a LOT better!  :)
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on December 18, 2013, 01:58:25 AM
I have always liked the Tornado - will build one one of these days…

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4b/Hawker_Tornado.svg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/49/Hawker_Tornado_(with_Rolls-Royce_Vulture_engine).jpg)
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Daryl J. on January 25, 2014, 01:26:03 AM
Idle chatter:  It is seemingly now a reasonable hope that Airfix might tool up a 1/48 ragwing Hurricane.   That would simplify one project immensely.  :D
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Rickshaw on January 26, 2014, 10:11:34 AM
A Tornado with a bubble hood perhaps?
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Volkodav on February 16, 2017, 11:05:55 PM
How about a dive bomber equivalent of the NA Apache?  Or perhaps rather than my preferred Hawker Henley FAA Scout/Dive Bomber, a smaller two seat Hurricane version.
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 02, 2017, 05:35:30 AM
Interesting photo:

(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/51b2c176b5052708acb787a818d166e3efe58323f7a39f3caef6aab04fff22bd.jpg)
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Vuk on July 03, 2017, 02:49:48 PM
Possibly one of Royal Yugoslav Air Force fighters captured after Axis occupation of Yugoslavia in April 1941...
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Old Wombat on July 03, 2017, 10:28:16 PM
Neat camo scheme! :)
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Vuk on July 03, 2017, 11:29:46 PM
Purely Italian... not only that white nose and white stripe on fuselage were applied as quick-recognition markings, but the entire aircraft received the new colors. Yugoslav Hurries were painted in colors like in these two pics...
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Vuk on July 04, 2017, 01:13:47 AM
Interesting photo:

(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/51b2c176b5052708acb787a818d166e3efe58323f7a39f3caef6aab04fff22bd.jpg)
Meanwhile, I was digging through my hard drive and found these pics. Probably the same aircraft, ex-RYAF No 2337, with some aditional data...
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 04, 2017, 02:04:15 AM
 :)
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 20, 2018, 02:14:32 AM
Random inspiration:

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-QIzbI3XFMvk/Vqe3ul6M73I/AAAAAAAAB1A/0RM5de7IFYI/s1600/12642456_10207664455024899_1156075960274708830_n.jpg)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-vdyh79R3bgg/Vqe3v7l6oxI/AAAAAAAAB1I/PgykcaqOKdU/s1600/usaaf%2BHurricane%2Bbp654%2B350th%2Bfg-2_zpsxcsq48rd.jpg)
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: The Big Gimper on October 14, 2018, 03:17:22 AM
Most of the Canadian built Hurricanes did not have propeller spinners because they used American propellers and the British spinners would not fit. Some had spinners made for the American propellers. This kind of a "tail dragger"accident seems to have happened a fair amount as there are many photos of these situations.

Hawker Hurricane (Serial No. 5650), crash, 26 Jan 1943. (Library and Archives Canada Photos, MIKAN Nos. 3582338 and 3582339)

(https://scontent.fxds1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/43951590_719850071741013_5008422021688721408_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&oh=de82652e5379060ef258466581bb7a19&oe=5C1479BC)

(https://scontent.fxds1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/43828486_719850088407678_1030835319756292096_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&oh=1de5b8c73c16f124c8e7fc6d4d658145&oe=5C566F6B)
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: ysi_maniac on October 20, 2018, 04:36:23 AM
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/Hurricane-variations.jpg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/Hurricane-variations.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: The Big Gimper on June 28, 2019, 12:09:34 AM
For Sale: The World's only dual control two place Hawker Hurricane. Currently under modification to two seat specifications by Hawker Restorations, G-HHII is expected to be certified and flying in the Autumn of 2019. Offered at £2.5m.

For more information see: https://www.platinumfighters.com/hurricaneghhii (https://www.platinumfighters.com/hurricaneghhii)

This is a photoshop of what it will look like.

(https://scontent.fxds1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/65201808_10157540714949669_3285155729488478208_o.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_eui2=AeG9otJVjP2ckbLNqMJ6kuzCv7__VwaMfh-OWybax-Mc7VMXsli0ZS1s3tEOIdhYdE2Y3us4xbZgy0_PjnzGyCtTsWKNgwFc58nnSRolnpTelA&_nc_oc=AQktmEA_YDoDd3WV1kb3SPM2KeEWheWlfpkr_47PaxpSEqrgu99Pq_lca0RCHcNCusk&_nc_ht=scontent.fxds1-1.fna&oh=2ac7f8fbf8e3f1537e7789cfcf45a9cc&oe=5D7CC472)

(https://scontent.fxds1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/65566213_10157540720844669_690665483187257344_o.jpg?_nc_cat=107&_nc_eui2=AeHmxmIbb44sgnD6r-9eYPzOo9IlFaBTn0ElWweoO3xEhR3PF5N8k_RzkcUXAqah9-YBQJEIXmlHqSAuXhceB43C3Sm8lq_kBvD9F7OOQdTEzg&_nc_oc=AQkmwuq3TcHyOpGn8c9XoWmIZSuBgIwDSzSvp_zRtyU2P3oZ6sSq4dcrQqXnLsCAQnM&_nc_ht=scontent.fxds1-1.fna&oh=9ae13a95d0ed68979b2a24ecaecac1c7&oe=5D8B8254)

(https://scontent.fxds1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/65102381_10157540720834669_7237074280930869248_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&_nc_eui2=AeEN3od1DjnRi6KXvRGpfVs-Lg1h0T5jMr0pB-GIKmP37k9M1DlPBWfegqOVNeC62eSar3R_GOYnxa4YgfkmZa_Pb36ZbYIfdNJZf7yw1PWQUQ&_nc_oc=AQkYvoAfjrNipqKFv8UTqoQt490K9ycwlQAzM0C1sLkt--k6GMDUgoeTdYEVgtjHIjg&_nc_ht=scontent.fxds1-1.fna&oh=d2cd3d366dbf3e43548c90e4e2d0dbe4&oe=5DC6D161)

(https://scontent.fxds1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/65280252_10157540720949669_1939933455114567680_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_eui2=AeFA8-TxYatl0FJx7ch6Lec0n4Dtk2JSht45Czec1Whtb-b14Pm3b91_FA4PVKjq_HZgWqv6eD0b5DBwvW87KpLSvWzrzsMpD5YEUZJLXiJR-w&_nc_oc=AQnT1yZQa0hM6C8mLKHOJ20RY2GOvchs-mAHWDrhGOwVuZeZeGedHk60mGhmYsqSOSY&_nc_ht=scontent.fxds1-1.fna&oh=660f69e678594fe9afb16d1943690a20&oe=5DB6F25B)
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 28, 2019, 03:06:50 AM
I wonder if they will keep the Mk IIA Series 2 wing on it?

Is certainly more attractive approach than the Persian two seaters:

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/bd/61/57/bd6157ea6d78f47adb58931fde1afbe2.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e9/A_Two-seat_Hawker_Hurricane_of_Air_Force_of_Iran.jpg)
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Geoff on July 04, 2019, 03:03:33 AM
I was thinking of the 40mm armed version as a possible aircraft for RAF Coastal Command after the BoB as the RAF was starting to attack targets in Europe. Seems like a pair of 40mms would make short work of littoral craft such as E-boats and coasters.
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: jcf on July 04, 2019, 05:41:17 AM
The 40mm S on the Hurricane II didn't go into service until 1942.

Later many Mk IV were equipped with the S and were used to attack
targets in France and coastal traffic, they were withdrawn from
service in March 1944.
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Geoff on July 04, 2019, 02:28:58 PM
Cheers
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on July 04, 2019, 09:41:27 PM
they were withdrawn from service in March 1944.

I think that coincides with the tests done with Typhoons and Tempests and the 40mm, doesn't it Jon. But they found the RP just as effective ---
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on July 05, 2019, 01:48:52 AM
I was thinking of the 40mm armed version as a possible aircraft for RAF Coastal Command after the BoB as the RAF was starting to attack targets in Europe. Seems like a pair of 40mms would make short work of littoral craft such as E-boats and coasters.
I'm thinking of those as armament for Costal Command Battles to free up other aircraft for the airwar over Europe.
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: jcf on July 05, 2019, 02:42:45 AM
they were withdrawn from service in March 1944.

I think that coincides with the tests done with Typhoons and Tempests and the 40mm, doesn't it Jon. But they found the RP just as effective ---

The RP were far less accurate and less effective, however they also didn't require as
close an approach, meaning the attacking aircraft was much less vulnerable to ground
fire, and they were far cheaper, so blasting off a bunch wasn't an issue. Interestingly
the HE round for the S turned out to be more effective than the AP round.
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 05, 2019, 02:56:19 AM
Not sure what the story is behind this one:

(http://www.ram-home.com/ram-old/hurricane-2d.jpg)
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: jcf on July 05, 2019, 03:31:24 AM
NS 37 pods from an Il-2?
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 05, 2019, 03:44:49 AM
(http://wunderwaffe.narod.ru/Magazine/AirWar/74/Draw/01.jpg)
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 05, 2019, 03:52:58 AM
Interesting trail:

(https://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww109/dibble201/dibble201001/OTTO003_zps1b50d40d.jpg)
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on July 05, 2019, 05:43:45 AM
Czech Omega Resin makes a whole bunch of different Hurricane variants. I've got eight different ones so far -- floatplane, trainers, some with different engines ----
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 06, 2019, 01:51:45 AM
Czech Omega Resin makes a whole bunch of different Hurricane variants. I've got eight different ones so far -- floatplane, trainers, some with different engines ----

Indeed - see here:  https://omega-models.com/index.php?route=product/search&search=hurricane
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 06, 2019, 01:56:27 AM
(https://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww109/dibble201/dibble201007/OTTO002_zps67733111.jpg)
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 06, 2019, 04:34:35 AM
Some pics of RP armed Hurricanes:

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/0e/b1/e2/0eb1e21499bfdbd2dba497c61a1c56f2.jpg)
(https://66.media.tumblr.com/48502f77c2a11a5e67dc1fdc0e948b2b/tumblr_nidm10sFwx1sqvybwo1_1280.png)
(https://66.media.tumblr.com/3f107d20807df6589aa359cb49d7778e/tumblr_nidm10sFwx1sqvybwo2_1280.png)
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 06, 2019, 04:43:18 AM
On a different tangent, I was looking at some Sea Hurricane pics:

(https://static1.squarespace.com/static/531fdb48e4b0e8fbe6259952/t/56079702e4b0afe8da3d8b60/1443337987159/?format=1500w)
(https://static1.squarespace.com/static/531fdb48e4b0e8fbe6259952/t/56079a14e4b09976d552c054/1443338776888/?format=1500w)
(https://static1.squarespace.com/static/531fdb48e4b0e8fbe6259952/t/560798c6e4b00830fde3ddb9/1443338441840/?format=750w)
(https://static1.squarespace.com/static/531fdb48e4b0e8fbe6259952/t/56079a72e4b0aebb8cc05af5/1443338869501/?format=1500w)

And started to wonder:  what if the RN FAA tried fitting a Mark XII torpedo Same as used by Fairey Swordfish - "18 inch" - 450 mm diameter, 1,548 lb (702 kg) weight) to some Sea Hurricanes. Yes, it would have been arguably sluggish and overloaded but even so, its performance would still have been arguably better than the Swordfish.
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on July 06, 2019, 07:11:37 AM
Wouldn't the radiator have to be relocated ?
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Rickshaw on July 06, 2019, 09:15:16 AM
According to  Eric Browne, the Swordfish was actually quite an aerobatic machine when unloaded.  He tested one against the latest British fighters in early 1944 when the RN was preparing a task force to go into the Pacific war and the FAA was worried about their elderly machines versus the Japanese fighters. 
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on July 06, 2019, 09:18:38 AM
Wouldn't the radiator have to be relocated ?
My thoughts, too.  Probably be something like the cooling system redesign in making the Fiat G.55S.
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: jcf on July 06, 2019, 12:15:54 PM
"Speed" performance sure, better performance as a torpedo aircraft, not likely.
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 07, 2019, 02:07:15 AM
Ok, what about a different track:  a lengthen derivative with a second seat for a observer - something akin to a Fairly Fulmar or Firefly in appearance.

(http://www.airpages.ru/draw/fulmar.gif)
(http://www.airpages.ru/draw/firefly1.gif)

Maybe it would look a bit like a Hwaker Henley (below) or perhaps it could be more elegant:

(http://smm.solidmodelmemories.net/Gallery/albums/userpics/10241/normal_Pollitt-1942_Henley.jpg)
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 07, 2019, 03:51:12 AM
To illustrate my idea:

(https://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/GTwiner043/ExHurr_zpszysbkhlj.jpg)
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: jcf on July 07, 2019, 04:11:29 AM
Then you'd basically have a Henley.  ;D :icon_fsm:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/51/Hawker_Henley_going_into_a_dive.jpg)
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 07, 2019, 04:19:21 AM
Which is one of the things I already said.  I was looking at something more akin to a Fulmar/Firefly though.
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: apophenia on July 07, 2019, 06:54:34 AM
Maybe the starting point could the turretless Hotspur (as in the Dujin kit)? Just needs the upper rear decking extended to make a Fulmar analogue.
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 26, 2019, 02:21:46 AM
Could be an interesting build:

(https://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/GTwiner050/Escanear-3_zpse2xsawmu.jpg)
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: ysi_maniac on December 30, 2019, 11:35:09 PM
During last months of RW Spanish Civil War, some high rank socialist authoritis tried to approach UK to buy weapons. UK rejected the offer.

Here you can see Hurricane with bubble top and Griffon engine

(https://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/Hurricane_SRAF.jpg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/Hurricane_SRAF.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 30, 2020, 03:11:42 AM
It wasn't always fuel in those pods:

(https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/attachments/2b-2b-2b-2b_6-jpg.499116/)
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Volkodav on April 30, 2020, 07:45:33 PM
Was just reading on the battle of Ceylon and was surprised how very close it came to being an earlier Midway, with elements of Cape Mattapan, though a more likely outcome would have been the annihilation of the British Eastern Fleet.  The Japanese assumed they would catch the British completely by surprise, Fleet in harbor and defenders at Sunday morning church services, while the British had pre-deployed from Ceylon and were aiming for a night engagement, assuming that:
a) they would only be facing a smaller task group not size fleet Japan actually deployed,
b) the Japanese were as inexperienced at night fighting as the Italians and USN were at the time and
c) the Japanese would attack on April 1 with the full moon.

There was a brief window confusion on the Japanese carriers as they quickly rearmed for a follow up attack on Ceylon, but then had to change back to anti shipping strike as the two British cruisers, they believed were the vanguard of the Eastern Fleet, were detected.  This was similar to the situation that caused such calamity at Midway, luckily they didn't learn from the experience.  Then that night the Japanese fleet sailed south to refuel as the British looked north and east, a night strike lead by ASV equipped Albacores could have caused significant damage had they position of the Japanese been identified.

What was interesting was the Hurricanes did not do as badly as would be expected considering they had to climb to engage the Japanese and were so badly outnumbered. I suppose the fact these were veteran squadrons from the Mediterranean Theatre made some difference, but they were also let down by poor positioning of the available radars, failure of coms, and failure of allied units to report (or even correctly identify in some cases) sighting of the attacking fleet and aircraft.  Being at altitude would have helped but considering the disparity in numbers, they couldn't have made a huge difference.

Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Rickshaw on May 01, 2020, 09:56:49 PM
Interestingly, the RAF had recently deployed in late 1941 their first, medium twin engine torpedo bombers - Wellingtons - to Malta.  Now, if Bletchley Park had decoded the Japanese fleet codes earlier, those aircraft could have been flown on Ceylon for use against the Japanese Fleet.  It would have made life difficult for the Japanese, facing long range torpedo bombers.   The RAF could have struck them far out to sea, before their own strike aircraft were in range.
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on October 04, 2020, 02:56:58 AM
(https://combatace.com/applications/core/interface/imageproxy/imageproxy.php?img=http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh173/SPINNERS1961/WHAT%2520IF%25202013/RAAFHURRICANE2R01_zps4cd1c3ef.jpg&key=11d66376ca0edec5fba7b7279d35c83e225c9379f7b6cd63fb0051feb48b5ea6)
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on October 05, 2020, 04:06:02 AM
(https://combatace.com/applications/core/interface/imageproxy/imageproxy.php?img=https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50079014031_45ec9401a8_b.jpg&key=264a48478707174dfb1d9d89bc6c5e8c53e250b68019d61b17c4d6a3f54c659b)
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Story on December 07, 2020, 10:06:44 AM
Inspiration in as far as this is a really good BBC writeup.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20201127-the-forgotten-fighter-plane-which-won-the-battle-of-britain (https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20201127-the-forgotten-fighter-plane-which-won-the-battle-of-britain)

Sad that the BBC (of all folk) has to caption which is a Spitfire and which a Hurricane.
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: The Big Gimper on December 18, 2021, 11:23:19 PM
Vintage Wings of Canada just completed the restoration of a CCF Hurricane MK.XII to represent a Hurricane I flown by Flying Officer William Lidstone “Willie” McKnight, DFC and Bar.

The Vintage Wings Hurricane XII is painted in the markings of P2961, a Hurricane I flown by Flying Officer William Lidstone “Willie” McKnight, DFC and Bar, a Canadian in the Royal Air Force, Canada's most outstanding fighter pilot of the first 18 months of the Second World War. McKnight, from Alberta, joined the RAF before the outset of the Second World War and fought in the Battle of France, Dunkirk, and the Battle of Britain. He was lost in an enemy engagement in January 1941 over the English Channel. He has no known grave. McKnight Boulevard in Calgary, Alberta is named in his honour.

(https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/607892d0460d6f7768d704ef/b683f24e-36d7-49ed-b98a-c756ba135c99/242.jpg)
McKnight is on the wing, far right.

(https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/607892d0460d6f7768d704ef/ac1eb579-1127-42c4-94d2-cc4883be4f54/IMG_6776.JPG)

(https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/607892d0460d6f7768d704ef/827cd097-3a1c-40c6-9d54-53ff66260a85/LE_A+side+12-11-21.JPG)

CFBV

Many more photos on this page:

https://www.vintagewings.ca/hurricane-mk-xii (https://www.vintagewings.ca/hurricane-mk-xii)
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on December 19, 2021, 12:30:21 AM
You beat me to it. :smiley:
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 01, 2023, 02:48:37 AM
(https://combatace.com/applications/downloads/interface/legacy/screenshot.php?path=/monthly_2020_06/SCREENSHOT1.JPG.f218b101506d1cd4d1f505469cae6ca1.JPG)
(https://combatace.com/applications/downloads/interface/legacy/screenshot.php?path=/monthly_2020_06/SCREENSHOT2.JPG.137b8698a4ca017f08d16138973bde13.JPG)
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: The Big Gimper on July 02, 2023, 08:36:59 PM
Ukraine finds British WW2 Hurricane planes (eight) outside Kyiv

The rusting remains of eight British Hurricane fighter planes dating back to World War Two have been found buried in a forest in Ukraine.

The aircraft were sent to the Soviet Union by Britain after Nazi Germany invaded the country in 1941.

They were part of a package of allied military support for the USSR, paid for by the United States under the so-called Lend-Lease scheme.

Similar legislation is being used by the US government today to send military aid to Ukraine as it seeks to expel Russian forces from its country.

Aviation experts say this is the first time the remains of so many Hurricanes have been found in Ukraine.

"It is very rare to find this aircraft in Ukraine," says Oleks Shtan, a former airline pilot who is leading the excavation. "It's very important for our aviation history because no Lend-Lease aircraft have been found here before."

Story here: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65955365 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65955365)

Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: apophenia on July 04, 2023, 09:32:51 AM
Story here: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65955365 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65955365)

Response here: https://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=351.msg209409#msg209409 (https://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=351.msg209409#msg209409)
Title: Re: Hawker Hurricane Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 19, 2024, 03:54:35 AM
Russian variant:

(https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/attachments/hawker-hurricane_04_russian-jpg.286673/)

Had one 12.7 mm UBS and one 20 mm ShVAK in each wing + rockets under wings