Beyond The Sprues
Current and Finished Projects => Physical Models => Other => Topic started by: Logan Hartke on December 25, 2012, 03:12:01 AM
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Due to treaties put in place by your government during the Boxer Rebellion, your military is not allowed to purchase arms designed, produced, or sold by the countries of France, Germany, the United Kingdom, Italy, Russia (or the USSR, depending), the United States of America, Japan, or China anytime during the 20th century.
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Your country needs to equip its army, navy, and air force with the best equipment it can to guard itself from these major powers.
The challenge? Pick a timeframe anytime between 1900 and today and see if you think you can still get a quality military put together without buying from any of these major powers. I think it can be done, but there are some serious limitations in certain areas depending on the era.
Cheers,
Logan
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Is Italy on the list? They're in the artwork but not the list so I wanted to ask first. I could put together a very fine navy for someone circa 1970's-80's from Italy.
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I considered removing Italy, but couldn't decide. What do you guys think, is it too easy with Italy? We can remove it to if it will become the go-to otherwise. Hmm, yeah, I'd better add it.
No Italy, either. >:(
Cheers,
Logan
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Well poop on you then! ;D
Hmmm....guess I'll root through the Scandinavian countries for some naval might then. Ahhh, the Netherlands 8) Yeah, yeah I know they're not in Scandinavia but they're right around the corner.
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Do export restrictions (e.g. Viggen because of engine) have to be considered, too?
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No, engines don't count. Something like the Kfir toes the line, but I'm inclined to allow it.
Cheers,
Logan
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Well. let's try: Sweden is a good source for whole period, if they would sell anything. In interwar period Poland was happy to sell, or resell everything, Czechoslovakia can be good source of everything: from carabines to tanks and planes. After WW2 Spain can be good source of small arms. Other source in this era may be propably Yugoslavia with it's colones of german and russian weapon. Canada produced is counted as British? Later after WW2, another source of clones of soviet weapon can be again: Poland. And in modern times, for anything high-tech: Israel. Plus South Africa with many nasty things.
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Well, something just tossed together here:
Non-Aligned Island Nation - Kingdom of Xenelistan
Xeneli Defence Forces, circa 1970
ARMY
MBT: Panzer 61
Recce: Dingo, FUG D-442
APC: PSzH-IV, TAB-71 (BTR-60), Eland Mk. 7
SP Arty: Bkan 1 155mm
Towed Arty: Soltam M-68 155mm
MRL: M-63 Plamen 128mm (towed, or mounted on Sisu or DAF truck chassis)
AA (SP): M53/59 Praga twin 30mm
AA (towed): 20 ItK 40 VKT twin 20mm, Bofors 40mm
Helicopters: HAL Cheetah (Alouette II), PZL-Swidnik SM-1 (Mi-1), PZL-Swidnik SM-2
Utility aircraft: PZL-104 Wilga (AOP)
NAVY
SS: Yug Sutjeska-class
FFL: Fin Turunmaa-class
FTB: Pol Project 664/Wisla-class
FPB: Nor Storm-class
Helicopters: PZL-Swidnik SM-2
AIR FORCE
Bombers: Avia B228 (Il-28)
Interceptors: Canadair CF-100, SAAB J 35 Draken
FGA: SAAB A 32A Lansen, PZL TS-11 Iskra
ASW: Canadair Argus
Transport: Canadair CL-44, DHC-3 Otter, DHC-4 Caribou
Trainers: DHC-1 Chipmunk, Aero L-29 Delfin
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Copies don't count since they fall under "designed" from the original description, but anything designed by Canada is fine. For example, one aircraft that I'd definitely grab in the late 50s is the Avro Arrow.
The Netherlands would be a great source for submarines for basically the entire century. Sweden's a good choice for aircraft after WWII and some armor, as well. Ironically, Switzerland is a good choice for some postwar armor, too. Pre-WWII Czechoslovakia is good for armor, artillery, and small arms. Belgium's made high-quality small arms throughout the 20th century. Sure, they were designed by Browning, but unless the design was produced by the US first, we'll not count them as copies.
Thing that will be more difficult to procure will be helicopters, large transports, capital ships, and SAMs to think of a few.
Cheers,
Logan
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I'd look to Israel, Taiwan, South Korea and the various non-Russia/Germany ex-Warsaw Pact states (Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Ukraine). Maybe India and/or Pakistan, perhaps them or North Korea for joining the Nuclear Club.
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I think I'd definitely look at small arms from Switzerland and perhaps see what I could obtain from their licensed-production efforts.
I'm also thinking that there could be some good material obtained from Brazil and Argentina.
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Armour ...
WW1 .... Australian DeMole Tank
WW2 .... Australian Sentinel tank (based on Grant components)
Aircraft ....
1970's .... militarised Australian Airtruck for FOO / ground attack in Vietnam.
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I also think the Owen and the Suomi are the two best submachine guns of the WWII period, so I don't think any quality is lost in this scenario.
Cheers,
Logan
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Since it's a variant of a Sikorsky design that's produced solely in Poland for export sales, would the Sikorsky S-70I qualify? And, yes, there are some distinctive differences from the other variants of the Black Hawk/Naval Hawk families of helicopters.
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I think that would fall under "designed by" the United States.
Cheers,
Logan
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Fair enough. I know I ended up getting a bit involved in that one while I was contracting with Sikorsky in Connecticut (beautiful state, nice people in general, but a government every bit as bad as California's).
Pity about no Italy, Aermacchi has made a beautiful series of jet trainers and light strike aircraft since WW II.
Hmm, would my country be able to collaborate with Egypt and India on developing and refining the HA-300 and HF-24? Both had much more potential than was realized.
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Sure.
Cheers,
Logan
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Some potential imports/collaborations from/with Australia are;
Weapons:
Owen Machine Carbine 1943 - 1963
F1 submachine gun 1963 - 1987
Vehicles:
Australian Cruiser Tank Mk. I "Sentinel" 1942
Bushmaster Protected Mobility Vehicle (current)
Aircraft:
CA-2/6 Wackett (trainer) 1939 - 1945
CA12/13/14/14A Boomerang (fighter) 1942 - 1945
CA-15 Kangaroo (fighter) 1946 - 1950 (prototype only)
CA-4/11 Woomera (light bomber) ca. 1940-44 (2 x prototypes only)
CA-23 (jet fighter proposal) ca. 1950 (?)
CA-25 Winjeel (trainer) 1955 - 1977
N22/24 Nomad (light transport) 1971 - 1986
(Note: there is also a case to be made for the CA-27 Avon-Sabre, which was a 60% redesign of the NAA F-86F but I wont.)
Cheers!
Guy