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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #75 on: July 07, 2013, 01:02:09 AM »
I'd say there are enough differences between them that you couldn't do so convincing (the number of cannon carried being one difference).  I'll try and compare an Avon-Saber conversion with a F-86H kit and get back to you.

Cannons tubes can be filled and re-cut and wings can be swapped. What I can't seem to get a handle on is the fuselage proportions: I can find text accounts of what was done to both of them, but I can't get a good handle on what the visual consequesnces are in 1/72nd scale.
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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #76 on: July 07, 2013, 01:05:36 AM »
Another thought: the FJ-3 Fury was a Sabre with a J-65 and a bigger intake. Since the J-65 was just a licence-built Sapphire and since the Avon and the Sapphire were generally rated as installationally interchangeable, that makes me wonder if the FJ-3 fuselage is basically the same shape as an Avon Sabre?

Again, I know the nose gear was longer, but that could be swapped.
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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #77 on: July 07, 2013, 10:41:04 AM »
Another thought: the FJ-3 Fury was a Sabre with a J-65 and a bigger intake. Since the J-65 was just a licence-built Sapphire and since the Avon and the Sapphire were generally rated as installationally interchangeable, that makes me wonder if the FJ-3 fuselage is basically the same shape as an Avon Sabre?

Again, I know the nose gear was longer, but that could be swapped.

Basically, they probably are, but that begs the question as to whether there are any good FJ-3 kits out there; I don't believe there are.  I'll do a cross-check of the Avon-Sabre and F-86H in 1/72 tomorrow and report the results.  Today involved a lot of errand running.

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #78 on: July 07, 2013, 05:36:15 PM »
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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #79 on: July 07, 2013, 07:26:58 PM »
Found this comparing the FJ-2/3 to the F-86:

http://tailspintopics.blogspot.co.uk/2011/04/fj23-fury-redux.html
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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #80 on: July 08, 2013, 02:31:15 AM »
You can get numerous 1/72 kits and conversions for the CAC Avon Sabre from High Planes - see here.

There are also some on ebay.

For the more distinguished amongst us, there is also a 1/48 Red Roo conversion - see here + High Planes also do kits.

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #81 on: July 08, 2013, 06:45:58 AM »
I really don't like the way Academy 1/48 kit has its gun troughs.  ::)  Yes, it's a really pathetic peeve of mine but that's just me.   :-\

So the thought of puttying them into oblivion has passed through the Mental Idea Generation Banks and using the inboard pylons for smaller gun pods.   I'm trying to come up with either some sand based color scheme or something similar to the green/green Equadorian Kfirs.   Portugal supports the US in Morocco perhaps.   

Edit:  The same gun pod arrangement could be used on the Sabre Dog perhaps as well.   
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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #82 on: July 08, 2013, 11:36:36 AM »
Okay, I put the Tasman Avon-Sabre conversion fuselage up against the special Hobby F-86H fuselage.  The F-86H fuselage looks to be deeper and shorter than that of the Avon-Sabre.

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #83 on: July 08, 2013, 07:11:55 PM »
Okay, I put the Tasman Avon-Sabre conversion fuselage up against the special Hobby F-86H fuselage.  The F-86H fuselage looks to be deeper and shorter than that of the Avon-Sabre.

Great stuff - cheers!  :)

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #84 on: July 10, 2013, 12:52:17 PM »
Odd thought - a F-86D or F-86K nose, with deepened intake mated to a F-86H for an advanced all-weather interceptor while the more definitely ones finished development.

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #85 on: July 10, 2013, 01:01:04 PM »
Okay, so a ques - if one wants to do an Aussie Sabre out of a box, without worrying overmuch about this or that hacking things up (which, after several attempts, I'm realising I'm maybe not very good at!), what's the best option for a kit in 1/72?
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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #86 on: July 10, 2013, 03:52:58 PM »
Okay, so a ques - if one wants to do an Aussie Sabre out of a box, without worrying overmuch about this or that hacking things up (which, after several attempts, I'm realising I'm maybe not very good at!), what's the best option for a kit in 1/72?

Maybe the High Planes one at the link above.
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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #87 on: July 11, 2013, 10:52:54 AM »
Okay, so a ques - if one wants to do an Aussie Sabre out of a box, without worrying overmuch about this or that hacking things up (which, after several attempts, I'm realising I'm maybe not very good at!), what's the best option for a kit in 1/72?

Maybe the High Planes one at the link above.

I concur.  It's a bit primitive like all limited-run injection moulded kits but if you add the wings and tailplanes from a good F-86 kit it comes up quite nicely as a recognisable CA 27 Avon Sabre.

There is also an Airmodels CA 27 vacuform conversion model available.  It consists only of the forward fuselage and needs a bit more work (in a different way) compared to the High Planes one.   I have one in my stash and its a quite well moulded.

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #88 on: July 11, 2013, 11:24:19 AM »
Okay, so a ques - if one wants to do an Aussie Sabre out of a box, without worrying overmuch about this or that hacking things up (which, after several attempts, I'm realising I'm maybe not very good at!), what's the best option for a kit in 1/72?

Maybe the High Planes one at the link above.

I concur.  It's a bit primitive like all limited-run injection moulded kits but if you add the wings and tailplanes from a good F-86 kit it comes up quite nicely as a recognisable CA 27 Avon Sabre.

There is also an Airmodels CA 27 vacuform conversion model available.  It consists only of the forward fuselage and needs a bit more work (in a different way) compared to the High Planes one.   I have one in my stash and its a quite well moulded.

You can still find the conversions that Tasman did on eBay.  That's where I got all mine.

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #89 on: October 14, 2013, 05:31:21 PM »
I'm bringing this back up as I've just started the Airfix 1/72 Canadair Sabre kit and I'd like to explore ejection seat options.

I know some sabres were refitted with more modern seats in their service, but I'm not sure which types.

I'm thinking of either a Martin Baker Mk.2F, Mk.2FV or Mk.4A; all of which I can get easily in resin.

I haven't had time to do a real in depth search for the info, but would anyone know off the top of their heads if any of those three seats were ever fitted to Sabres of if not would at least have been feasible for use in the aircraft?

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #90 on: October 15, 2013, 12:31:36 AM »
I'm bringing this back up as I've just started the Airfix 1/72 Canadair Sabre kit and I'd like to explore ejection seat options.

I know some sabres were refitted with more modern seats in their service, but I'm not sure which types.

I'm thinking of either a Martin Baker Mk.2F, Mk.2FV or Mk.4A; all of which I can get easily in resin.

I haven't had time to do a real in depth search for the info, but would anyone know off the top of their heads if any of those three seats were ever fitted to Sabres of if not would at least have been feasible for use in the aircraft?

Thanks in advance.

Kevin,

is this for a real world subject or a fictional effort?  If fictional I would consider the seat types used in the Hawker Hunter as a guide and see if that seat will fit your Sabre.  Other candidates from that period would bet he Provost, Wyvern, etc. 
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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #91 on: October 15, 2013, 01:21:52 AM »
All the RAF Sabres were made by Canadair ( Mk.4's) and it doesn't look like they ever were fitted with an MB seat.

but this might help, found on The Aviation Forum, you could use anything from the Meteor, Vampire, Venom, Sea Hawk --- :

1 Meteor
1CA Canberra
1E Meteor
1F Venom
2A Attacker
2B Wyvern
2CA Canberra
2CB Canberra B(l)8
2D Sea Hawk
2E Meteor
2F Venom
2H Hunter
2HAN Hunter
3A Valiant
3B Vampire T11
3CA Canberra
3CS Canberra PR9 Pilot
3CT1 & 2 Canberra T4
3CT3 Canberra T4
3H
3J Javelin
3K Vulcan
3L Victor
4A Sea Venom
4BSB & 4BSC Lightning
4DSA Sea Vixen
4HA Hunter T7
4MSA Buccaneer S2
4P Jet Provost
4QS Canberra PR9 Nav
5A Phantom
6MSA Buccaneer S2
6MSB Buccaneer S2
7A Phantom
9 &9A
9B Jaguar
9D Harner7a
10A Tornado
10H Sea Harrier
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12 Harrier GR7

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #92 on: October 15, 2013, 02:48:40 AM »
M-B Mk.5 in Norwegian F-86F and some Bundesluft Sabre Mk.6.
The canopy slide mechanism had to be modified to allow it to
slide further aft to clear the M-B seat, it also raised up slightly
when slid aft in comparison to regular Sabres.
Evidently not popular with all German pilots as it was not as
comfortable as the C-2 and blocked vision to the rear, thus the
extra rear-view mirrors found in some German Sabres.

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #93 on: October 15, 2013, 04:47:49 AM »
Thanks for the input guys.

The model is going to be fictitious as part of my Divided Austria storyline.

The premise is that the West Austrian Sabres got new ejection seats as part of an upgrade and service extension program.
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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #94 on: October 23, 2013, 05:45:52 AM »
Andrea De Vincentiis is ADV Models and he has just shared images of a completed model of his 1:48th scale Fiat G.91Y Yankee resin and multi-media model kit at HyperScale. 

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #95 on: October 23, 2013, 04:50:59 PM »
I can attest the the beauty of this kit.
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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #96 on: November 16, 2013, 11:36:33 AM »
Advanced F-86 (see first post in this thread)



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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #97 on: November 16, 2013, 11:41:48 AM »
The alternate design for F-93.
86 + 100 = 186
186/2 = 93

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #98 on: November 16, 2013, 12:46:09 PM »
 :) ;)

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #99 on: November 17, 2013, 02:27:57 AM »
That does look good.  :)
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