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Re: F-104 Starfighter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #125 on: July 23, 2018, 08:45:49 AM »
Could the fuselage of a 1/144 kit be used to house a fountain pen?
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Re: F-104 Starfighter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #126 on: July 23, 2018, 09:31:18 AM »
Could the fuselage of a 1/144 kit be used to house a fountain pen?
"Skywriting" out the exhaust nozzle?  I could see that as a joke/novelty item for aviation buffs.

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Re: F-104 Starfighter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #127 on: January 15, 2019, 01:55:50 AM »
Model L-242 for the USN - kind of a naval F-104:




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Re: F-104 Starfighter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #128 on: January 15, 2019, 11:56:04 PM »
Without steering the Air Superiority Fighter thread off-topic, here's an idea: if the Naval Starfighter had significantly lower stall speed (implying higher lift), why not base the fighter-bomber version offered internationally on that? One would think that sacrificing some of the top speed at altitude (Mach 2 capable fighters spend 0,01% of their flight time at Mach 2+) would have been worth of improved lift and much better low-speed handling at low altitudes.

I'll answer myself: even when the F-104G was offered, the Starfighter's air-to-ground mission was envisioned as delivering "special weapons" flying fast in a straight line (or alternatively, "tossing" The Bomb in a half-loop), it was not anticipated it would be required to carry heavy conventional loads and turn tightly low and slow, hugging the terrain and dodging flak while providing close air support.

Still, later on when F-104S was being developed (and the need for conventional weapons capability reaffirmed), maybe the idea could have been realized (Italy obviously wanted an interceptor first, but other potential customers...)

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Re: F-104 Starfighter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #129 on: January 16, 2019, 03:26:16 AM »
Navalized original F-104 design, note the shorter OAL similar to the XF-104.

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« Reply #130 on: March 20, 2019, 04:44:54 AM »
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Re: F-104 Starfighter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #131 on: March 20, 2019, 11:12:49 AM »
Mach 2 troop transport?  :o ;D

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Re: F-104 Starfighter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #132 on: March 21, 2019, 01:35:28 AM »
Mach 2 troop transport?  :o ;D
More like a very fast VIP transport vehicle.  I think this would look great in VIP squadron markings.

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Re: F-104 Starfighter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #133 on: March 21, 2019, 03:22:22 AM »
Or maybe in Air Force One scheme - when the US president absolutely needs to get somewhere (or get out of somewhere) fast.
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Re: F-104 Starfighter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #134 on: July 08, 2019, 03:27:04 AM »
This video appeared in my YouTube feed this afternoon.  Looks nice and definitely sounds great. 

Click on thumbnail or html to view at YouTube:  XXXL RC F-104 STARFIGHTER - FLIGHT DEMO
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Re: F-104 Starfighter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #135 on: July 08, 2019, 05:13:35 AM »
Nice video ---  :smiley:

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Re: F-104 Starfighter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #136 on: July 08, 2019, 10:54:53 AM »
That's awesome! Taxiing & (once the controller got the feel of it) flying you'd think it was the real thing! :D :smiley: 8)
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Re: F-104 Starfighter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #137 on: July 08, 2019, 02:24:33 PM »
All that was missing was the smoke trail :smiley:
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Re: F-104 Starfighter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #138 on: July 08, 2019, 10:13:38 PM »
All that was missing was the smoke trail :smiley:

And the proper sound  ;D

I saw the two civilian F-104s run by StarFighters display team some years ago at Cold Lake Airshow, they had a very distinctive sound to them --- 

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Re: F-104 Starfighter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #139 on: August 09, 2019, 07:57:57 AM »
Crossing F-104 and F-16


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Re: F-104 Starfighter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #140 on: August 12, 2019, 03:48:04 AM »
Ryan proposal for a lift-fan VTOL F-104G.



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Re: F-104 Starfighter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #141 on: August 13, 2019, 01:51:08 AM »
I wonder if that is meant to say two "J85-GE-1" engines?
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Re: F-104 Starfighter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #142 on: August 13, 2019, 02:04:39 AM »
I wonder if that is meant to say two "J85-GE-1" engines?
suspect GE-1 is correct.  ISTR that was a series of study engines that lead to the J101 and F404/412/414 family.

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Re: F-104 Starfighter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #143 on: October 05, 2019, 12:40:53 PM »
Along the lines of Mareinflieger F-104G's with two Komoran missiles, how about a JASDF F-104J in over-water camouflage and carrying two ASM-1 missiles?

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Re: F-104 Starfighter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #144 on: October 06, 2019, 04:03:30 AM »
Along the lines of Mareinflieger F-104G's with two Komoran missiles, how about a JASDF F-104J in over-water camouflage and carrying two ASM-1 missiles?


Interesting idea.  This sort of scheme I presume:



The only potential issue might be that the F-104Js served from October 1962 to 1986 whereas the ASM-1 only entered service in 1980.  Its certainly not an impossible pairing though.
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Re: F-104 Starfighter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #145 on: October 06, 2019, 06:31:07 AM »
Crossing F-104 and F-16




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Re: F-104 Starfighter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #146 on: February 27, 2020, 02:17:48 PM »
Question:

The premise WIP (posted here to better explain my motive behind the question- I wish to be able to at least semi-accurately portray the feature in question; final version will be posted in my mental note thread instead)


What does the circled area, between the fuselage and the intake shock cone, look like?  Is there a splitter plate?



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Re: F-104 Starfighter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #147 on: February 27, 2020, 09:52:01 PM »
I would say flush.

Attached are three images from the Special Project Forum (https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/) which I highly recommend you join. There are another 15 or images on this model and another CL-1200 design.
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Re: F-104 Starfighter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #148 on: February 27, 2020, 11:36:18 PM »
What does the circled area, between the fuselage and the intake shock cone, look like?  Is there a splitter plate?



IF you build the configuration in this image, then, yes, that area indicated is a splitter plate. If you build the configuration as shown in Big Gimper's images, then there is no splitter plate. The with/without splitter may be a functin of when the images were generated in the concept process. I wouldn't place too much faith in the pictures of the models as these models were not necessarily the most accurate and a fine detail like a splitter might not be represented in a presentation model.

So, in the end, you get to pick. :)

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Re: F-104 Starfighter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #149 on: February 28, 2020, 02:43:04 AM »
Does this help:




I always preferred the later CL-1600 with different intakes:

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