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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #125 on: January 31, 2014, 12:18:20 PM »
I've got some resin ones kicking around. I wanna say Cutting Edge, but would have to dig em out to be sure.

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #126 on: January 31, 2014, 12:45:39 PM »
Anybody know where I can get some 1/32 AIM-120s?

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #127 on: January 31, 2014, 01:00:44 PM »
Anybody know where I can get some 1/32 AIM-120s?


bnamodelworld.com in Australia has what you need: Flightpath - 1:32nd scale AIM-120 AMRAAM Missile Set
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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #128 on: January 31, 2014, 04:44:42 PM »
Thank'ee one and all for your kind suggestions.  Trumpeter does the truck, doesn't it?

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #129 on: January 31, 2014, 08:50:16 PM »
Anybody know where I can get some 1/32 AIM-120s?

I think the bottle of water though, rather spoils the picture.  ;D ;D


No problem if you want to model it though: Meng do them!  :) ;) ;D

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #130 on: February 01, 2014, 04:16:34 AM »
Thank'ee one and all for your kind suggestions.  Trumpeter does the truck, doesn't it?


Yes Trumpeter does make the truck.  Listed as M1083 FMTV (Armor Cab) kit number 1008.

If you are ready to take the plunge it is available at Amazon.com  :icon_ninja:

Or you can check bnamodelworld.com and see if they have it in-country and closer to you. 
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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #131 on: February 01, 2014, 07:22:52 AM »
I'm actually imagining that launcher on the back of a patrol or PT boat for some reason, or multiples positioned around a large amphib or modernised older carrier.

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #132 on: February 01, 2014, 10:29:16 AM »
I'm actually imagining that launcher on the back of a patrol or PT boat for some reason, or multiples positioned around a large amphib or modernised older carrier.

I wonder if any research has been done on upgrading Sea Sparrow to use AMRAAM?

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #133 on: February 01, 2014, 11:50:05 AM »
Thank'ee one and all for your kind suggestions.  Trumpeter does the truck, doesn't it?


Yes Trumpeter does make the truck.  Listed as M1083 FMTV (Armor Cab) kit number 1008.

If you are ready to take the plunge it is available at Amazon.com  :icon_ninja:

Or you can check bnamodelworld.com and see if they have it in-country and closer to you.


Thanks.  I'm actually thinking more towards the MAN 6x6 truck.  I know Revel does one and I know where I can get it very cheaply.   Mmmm, perhaps RAA, as the MAN is being adopted as part of Land 121 Phase 3B.

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #134 on: February 01, 2014, 12:33:19 PM »
I'm actually imagining that launcher on the back of a patrol or PT boat for some reason, or multiples positioned around a large amphib or modernised older carrier.

I wonder if any research has been done on upgrading Sea Sparrow to use AMRAAM?
Or mating the AMRAAM seeker with the RIM-162 ESSM?

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #135 on: February 01, 2014, 06:04:25 PM »
I think I'm right in saying that BAe did a study into using the Active Skyflash with Sea Sparrow, and I'd be amazed if Alenia didn't do the same with their Active Aspide project, given that they actually manufacture Aspide/Albatross as a Sea Sparrow substitute.
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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #136 on: February 01, 2014, 08:54:00 PM »
I'm actually imagining that launcher on the back of a patrol or PT boat for some reason, or multiples positioned around a large amphib or modernised older carrier.

I wonder if any research has been done on upgrading Sea Sparrow to use AMRAAM?
Or mating the AMRAAM seeker with the RIM-162 ESSM?
I believe its on the cards but SM-6 uses AMRAAM tech

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #137 on: February 02, 2014, 04:23:28 AM »
One I wasn't aware of until just recently:  ZSU-23-4M4
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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #138 on: February 02, 2014, 04:26:25 AM »
Don't you just love the colour scheme on these?
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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #139 on: February 02, 2014, 09:09:28 AM »
I love the little wheels on the front of the SA-2 system.   ;D

The colours are a bit garish, aren't they?  Cuban?

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #140 on: February 03, 2014, 08:25:02 AM »
yeah, Cuban. The brick-red colour used to be black, and when viewed with the Green and OD, reminded me of the Canadian 3-tone from the 60's-80's.

Are those wheels for holding comms wire? Or are they a driver aid to let him know he's about to prang the nose cone when approaching a slope?

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #141 on: February 03, 2014, 09:09:24 AM »
yeah, Cuban. The brick-red colour used to be black, and when viewed with the Green and OD, reminded me of the Canadian 3-tone from the 60's-80's.

Are those wheels for holding comms wire? Or are they a driver aid to let him know he's about to prang the nose cone when approaching a slope?

I suspect the latter.   It looks though, like rather an unwieldy vehicle.  Very high and the driver more than likely would need all the help he could get.  I can't see it being much use in mobile operations.  Looks more likely it's merely a way to allow a mobile defence say of airfields.

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #142 on: April 05, 2014, 03:04:19 PM »
Love the Oto Melara 60mm HVMS turret. How would the 60mm do as part of a SPAAG.

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #143 on: April 05, 2014, 03:34:46 PM »
Love the Oto Melara 60mm HVMS turret. How would the 60mm do as part of a SPAAG.
Too low a ROF.  While capable of automatic fire, the system as it exists is primarily to be used in a semi-automatic mode beccause of the low capacity of the weapon's magazines.   You'd need, apart from a completely new mounting and turret, a very different loading system.  The IMI 60mm fires IIRC from two three round "magazines".   I wouldn't bother, the OTOMATIC 76mm does a better job and can use guided rounds as well.

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #144 on: April 05, 2014, 03:47:05 PM »
Love the Oto Melara 60mm HVMS turret. How would the 60mm do as part of a SPAAG.
Too low a ROF.  While capable of automatic fire, the system as it exists is primarily to be used in a semi-automatic mode beccause of the low capacity of the weapon's magazines.   You'd need, apart from a completely new mounting and turret, a very different loading system.  The IMI 60mm fires IIRC from two three round "magazines".   I wouldn't bother, the OTOMATIC 76mm does a better job and can use guided rounds as well.

And the South Africans turned the 75mm into into a perfectly adequate AFV gun as well.

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #145 on: April 06, 2014, 03:37:19 AM »
I wouldn't bother, the OTOMATIC 76mm does a better job and can use guided rounds as well.


Except the Otomatic never entered production or saw service...and even in its most recent (2010) iteration as the Dracp (see below) has not found any buyers:

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #146 on: April 06, 2014, 09:10:18 AM »
Using that argument, neither has a AA 60mm HMVS system, Greg.  The OTOMATIC has at least reached hardware.  IMO it shows what is needed if you really, seriously want to talk about SPAG systems nowadays.  IMHO, the days of multiple 20+mm systems are long past.  To reach out and destroy an attacking helicopter you need serious metal.  Which is of course why SAMs are so much more attractive.

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #147 on: April 06, 2014, 01:12:36 PM »
Using that argument, neither has a AA 60mm HMVS system, Greg.

I didn't say it was.  What I was responding to was the comment that "the OTOMATIC 76mm does a better job and can use guided rounds as well."

This statement would seem to imply that the Otomatc is in service which it is not.  In fact, it only was produced as a single prototype IIRC and despite being an interesting concept pushed strongly for many years has failed to find a single buyer and thus saying that it does a better job and can do something is questionable.  Hence my comment.
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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #148 on: April 06, 2014, 02:57:42 PM »
It wasn't my intention to convey such an idea, Greg.   Rather that the system does exist and is not vapourware,  nothing more.

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #149 on: April 06, 2014, 08:38:05 PM »
I'd like to hear more about 76mm guided rounds. That's a new one for me.