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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #175 on: September 15, 2015, 02:30:42 AM »
Only after someone from here scratch builds one

Using resin parts that break numerous times...
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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #176 on: November 08, 2015, 07:44:57 AM »
One I was not previously aware of:  Sherman T52, 40mm Bofors and 2 .50s:

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #177 on: November 08, 2015, 10:21:58 PM »
That's an interesting find Greg, it looks like all the guns are mounted in a barrel, did the Bofor have a belt feed too ?

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #178 on: November 09, 2015, 03:08:49 AM »
That's an interesting find Greg, it looks like all the guns are mounted in a barrel, did the Bofor have a belt feed too ?

Not sure - let me do a little more research.  Looking at the photos it almost looks like the US equivalent to the Kugelblitz.
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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #179 on: November 11, 2015, 03:34:21 PM »
Further to above, the T52 turret above dod not have a belt fed 40mm.  In fact, it looks to have been a failure with limited ammo plus an extremely high workload for the two crew proposed for the turret.
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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #180 on: November 17, 2015, 10:06:33 AM »
I'd seen the center picture before, but the top and bottom close-ups are new to me - very cool. The book British and American Tanks of WW 2 ( Chamberlain and Ellis ) mentions the turret tracking speed being too slow for low-flying aircraft.

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #181 on: October 17, 2016, 07:04:05 AM »
 Ok, I just stumbled across this interesting design study of the Swedish BA 30 LV SPAAG based of the Pbv 302 APC. From what I've read it was in competition with the VEAK 40 design.
What I do find interesting (well to me anyway!) is its potential application to the ubiquitous M113 APC series!
Would loved to have seen something like this in ADF service!!

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #182 on: October 17, 2016, 10:59:21 AM »
Interesting.  Any more info on it?

It looks very similar to the Gerard design with twin 35mm cannon or does the "30" in the designation refer to 30mm cannon?
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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #183 on: October 18, 2016, 07:55:11 AM »
It looks very similar to the Gerard design with twin 35mm cannon or does the "30" in the designation refer to 30mm cannon?


Yep. Twin Hispano-Suiza HS 30s. The model shown has the alternative turret. That Pbv 302-derived SPAAG was first shown with a French A14D turret.

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #184 on: October 19, 2016, 03:15:35 AM »
Looks like the offspring between a Gepard and a SIDAM.

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #185 on: October 21, 2016, 04:30:57 PM »










Former Republic of Yugoslavia's AS-83 SPAA with 2 x 40mm Bofors guns.
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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #186 on: October 22, 2016, 04:03:54 AM »
Err...most of those pictures are of the SPAT 30/2 with twin 30mm cannon.  This is a development of the Yougoslav BVP M80 IFV.

The bottom one with what appears to be twin 40mm Bofors does look interesting though.  Any more details on it?
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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #187 on: October 22, 2016, 05:27:33 AM »
The bottom one with what appears to be twin 40mm Bofors does look interesting though.  Any more details on it?

SPAT 40/2 project based on a M-80A or M-84A hull with twin L/70 Bofors guns (AS-83?) with BOFI (Bofors Optonic Fire-control Instument aka System 75), and radar derived from the Yugoslav's licensed M85 Žirafa (Ericsson Giraffe 75).  So, basically a local SPAAG akin to the carriage-based L/70 BOFI-R.
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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #189 on: October 22, 2016, 10:01:12 AM »
Or the Marder Rapier

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #190 on: October 23, 2016, 04:29:54 PM »
Or the Marder Rapier

Now isn't that a smart looking idea - having the Rapier launcher semi hidden! Not would it more less cumbersome for transportation, it goes along way to announcing its principle mission!
I can't help think about the priority target that air defence assets/platforms incur on the modern battlefield!

Thank for sharing Volkodave

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #191 on: October 24, 2016, 02:02:51 AM »

I can't help think about the priority target that air defence assets/platforms incur on the modern battlefield!


Though one might think that on a battlefield, the system should be up and looking for targets...

I suspect the retraction would  be simply used when transporting.
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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #192 on: October 28, 2016, 12:26:02 PM »


No idea what the SAMs are.




le Clerc with Crotale launcher turret.
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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #193 on: October 29, 2016, 04:41:49 AM »










Former Republic of Yugoslavia's AS-83 SPAA with 2 x 40mm Bofors guns.


You've got to hand it to the Yugoslavian's, they were/are good with deriving simple and practical solutions to their needs and requirements!!
Also of note, is the appreciation the Yugoslavian's had with the ground fire application of SPAAG's!

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #194 on: October 29, 2016, 04:47:00 AM »
The image shows a photoshopped (I believe) representation of the PZR Loara - a missile-armed version of the PZA Loara which is itself a SPAAG variant of the Polish PT-91 MBT which is itself a variant of the T-72.

PZA Loara:



Here is another representation:



Although it never reached production, I understand the following missiles were looked at:  Swedish RBS-23 missiles Bamse, Barak, Israeli, French or South African Crotale NG SAVH-3.
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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #195 on: March 11, 2017, 04:03:37 AM »
Something quite build able:  Leclerc 'Flakpanzer' SPAAG: Early 1990s development of the Leclerc fitted with a turret derived from that of the German Flakpanzer Gepard. Armed with twin 35 mm Oerlikon KDA autocannons and two twin pack Mistral SAM launchers (total of four ready missiles). Despite successful testing of the prototype by the French Army, was not adopted for service due to post-Cold War defence cutbacks.

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #196 on: March 11, 2017, 10:16:55 PM »
Never seen that one before but it does demonstrate that, yet again, all the cool Russian stuff over the last few years that the west has no answer to, western nations actually had cooler stuff earlier but didn't put it in production because of the peace dividend, i.e. more important things to spend their money on,

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #197 on: March 11, 2017, 10:49:49 PM »
As was shown on more than a few occasions during the Gulf Wars, when the opposition runs out of missiles (or they were taken out), you just fill the sky with a frecking lot of sizzling metal. You're going to hit something eventually. Germans did the same during WWII, just swamp the area around an important site with mobile AAA and just fire the rounds into the air

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #198 on: March 11, 2017, 10:55:00 PM »


North Korean M1992



Norinco 8x8 SPAAG





8x8 30mm wheeled AAG, 2012 ZhuHai Air Show



Mowag Shark Wildcat 8x8 SPAAG.
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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #199 on: March 26, 2017, 04:14:40 AM »
I would love to see a 1/35 kit of the Mowag Shark Wildcat
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