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Title: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: dy031101 on January 16, 2012, 07:35:43 AM
The good, the bad (as in badass) (http://f-16.net/gallery_item97588.html), and the ugly (http://f-16.net/gallery_item16864.html)......

I figured that I'm not the first one to imagine a F-16 armed with weapons not built with US- or Western-related technologies, but this came back to my mind just this afternoon.

Russia used to advertise an "Adjutant" system intended for non-Russian-made aircraft.  It is designed to provide illumination and command guidance for the Russian-made R-27 as well as R-77 missiles and is centred upon the "Epaulet" micro-AESA radar.  I wonder if it can also be used to cue the R-73 WVRAAM......

The Epaulet itself seems pretty small (at least as far as a single radar component goes although I couldn't find its exact size) with an antenna having just 68 transmit-receive modules and weighing just 5kg.  A single set can scan ±45°, azimuth and elevation.

The question is...... how many would I need on a F-16...... and where I can put it/them.  I'm currently thinking two, one at either side of the nose (behind the radome and, in terms of the port side of the ADF variant (http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/Fea1/801-900/Fea871_F-16_Roberts/00.shtm), where the searchlight would be) or chin intake.  Might need sizeable fairings for the antennae so that the arrays can be angled to scan areas directly ahead, too.

Does anyone have suggestions?
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: elmayerle on January 16, 2012, 10:39:28 AM
Building on that "bad-ass" one, the same fit, possibly with a HTP or LANTRIN fit, on a F-16F or derivative thereof.

An F-2B-Kai with the full dorsal spine for avionics, an upgraded F110 (same as the F-16E/F) and this kit.

Both, of course, having the enhance RHAW fit of the BLock 50/52+ F-16s.

Other potential "invisible" mods would be an OBOGS instl (fun, that one, did the retrofit kit for USAF Block 50/52 aircraft without it) and, for the F-2B-Kai, either an AESA version of the Japanese radar fitted or a suitable choice from what's available as retrofit options (and there are several).
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: dy031101 on January 16, 2012, 02:00:31 PM
I thought the F-16I might have some inspirations on possible Epaulet radar mounting option on the nose......

The intake-sides seem to allow for quite a bit of room, too, without interfering with ground attack sensor pod carriage, however.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 16, 2012, 04:38:41 PM
Something simple...a Armée de l'Air F-16. 8)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Maverick on January 16, 2012, 08:47:09 PM
Something that should have been... RNZAF.

Regards,

John
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: taiidantomcat on January 16, 2012, 09:28:56 PM
(http://www.clavework-graphics.co.uk/aircraft/fantasy_1/F024_F16A_Russia_1.jpg)

(http://www.clavework-graphics.co.uk/aircraft/fantasy_2/F106_F16C_Iran.jpg)

Couple from Clave . Love the Russian one  :-* and the Iranian was a "almost was"
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Maverick on January 16, 2012, 09:36:52 PM
I did a total of 28 Lawn Dart profiles over the years from F-16As to F-16XLs and pretty much everything in between along with a couple of RNZAF F-2s.

Regards,

John
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: LemonJello on January 16, 2012, 11:12:35 PM
I've got one F-16 in the stash that'll wear IL ANG markings. I'd love to have a couple of the XLs to play around with in plastic.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: ChernayaAkula on January 27, 2012, 02:42:03 AM
Here's the revised image of something I did for TaiidanTomcat. He talked about a Soviet-ized F-16. Instead of trying to spell out my take on that, I tweaked an F-16 profile a bit. The original image only had the fixed windscreen, big spine and twin tails. The revised image has a rear-view mirror on the canopy, a tail stinger for a drag chute above the engine nozzle and a MiG-23-style (actually from a Ye-8)  fold-away ventral fin instead of the Viper's twin fins..

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m309/ChernayaAkula/WhIf/Vepr-B.jpg)

<...> I'd love to have a couple of the XLs to play around with in plastic.

I wish they re-released Monogram's 1/72 F-16XL!  :-*
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 27, 2012, 03:36:11 AM
Hmmm...
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: elmayerle on January 27, 2012, 09:13:59 AM
Well, an obvious one is melding the original Japanese FSX proposal (essentially a F-16C with canards trialed on the F-16CCV et al.) and the production F-2.  I do have an example of the Hasegawa limited-run FSX kit that I'll likely build as is on the airframe side but with upgraded weapons fit.

To some degree, Epaulet looks like it might fit in place of the ESM antennae fitted around the inlet on (at least late) Block 50/52 F-16s though orienting it to be front-facing might require even larger fairings than they have now.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on February 16, 2012, 04:32:39 AM
A new version of the "Yard Dart"

Lockheed Martin’s Fighting Falcon Evolves With New F-16V (http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/news/press-releases/2012/february/0215aero-F-16V.html)

(http://www.lockheedmartin.com/content/lockheed/us/news/press-releases/2012/february/0215aero-F-16V/_jcr_content/content_image/image.img.jpg/1329313605249.jpg) (http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/news/press-releases/2012/february/0215aero-F-16V.html)
(Image source: Lockheed Martin (http://www.lockheedmartin.com/))

Quote
SINGAPORE, Feb. 15, 2012 – Lockheed Martin [NYSE: LMT] unveiled a new version of the F-16 today at the Singapore Airshow. The F-16V will feature enhancements including an active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar, an upgraded mission computer and architecture, and improvements to the cockpit – all capabilities identified by the U.S. Air Force and several international customers for future improvements.

With nearly 4,500 F-16s delivered, this is a natural step in the evolution of the world’s most successful 4th generation fighter.  The Fighting Falcon program has continually evolved as it began with the F-16 A/B as the lightweight fighter then transitioned to F-16 C/D and Block 60 versions as customers’ requirements changed.

AESA radars offer significant operational capability improvements. Lockheed Martin has developed an innovative solution to affordably retrofit this key technology into existing F-16s.  The F-16V configuration is an option for new production jets and elements of the upgrade are available to most earlier-model F-16s. The “V” designation is derived from Viper, the name fighter pilots have called the F-16 from its beginnings.

“We believe this F-16V will satisfy our customers’ emerging requirements and prepare them to better interoperate with the 5th generation fighters, the F-35 and F-22,” said George Standridge, Lockheed Martin Aeronautics’ vice president of business development.

The F-16 is the choice of 26 nations. The F-16 program has been characterized by unprecedented international cooperation among governments, air forces and aerospace industries.

Headquartered in Bethesda, Md., Lockheed Martin is a global security company that employs about 123,000 people worldwide and is principally engaged in the research, design, development, manufacture, integration and sustainment of advanced technology systems, products and services. The Corporation's net sales for 2011 were $46.5 billion.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 16, 2012, 05:19:05 AM
Been on the cards for a while.  It will be interesting to see what radar they choose.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Jeremak on February 16, 2012, 06:16:07 AM
I just wonder: they still have letters in alphabet to name all this versions?  ;)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: elmayerle on February 16, 2012, 10:52:20 AM
I keep thinking that they should consider having Northrop apply some of their inlet expertise to reducing the signature of the present inlet or in conjunction with incorporating a F-35-style inlet.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: finsrin on February 16, 2012, 11:35:00 AM
Mig-16    Both Miggy and Vipery.    The combination works well.  :)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 22, 2012, 08:40:20 AM
What if during the thawing of relations in the '70s/'80s, the USA provided F-16s ( maybe the J79 version) to the  Chinese?
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Doom! on April 24, 2012, 12:08:57 AM
I had played with mixing and matching an F-16 and MiG-29 a while back.
(http://www.doomisland2.com/images/profiles/mig-29_plus.jpg)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: taiidantomcat on April 24, 2012, 12:25:12 AM
That is a peach Doom!  :-*
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 24, 2012, 03:34:59 AM
That is cool...hmmm, I wonder how one would go modelling that in plastic...
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: elmayerle on April 25, 2012, 12:21:02 PM
What if during the thawing of relations in the '70s/'80s, the USA provided F-16s ( maybe the J79 version) to the  Chinese?
PRC or ROC?  The F-16/79 was offered to the ROC by the Carter administration.  I could see the PRC buying F-16s that could be re-engined with their license-built afterburning Spey engines.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 25, 2012, 12:46:17 PM
PRC of course... ;)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 04, 2012, 04:35:45 AM
Super F-16 anyone:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/More%20Creations/c3b21982.jpg)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 04, 2012, 04:41:29 AM
Some inspiration from the real world:

Thrust Vectoring box nozzles F-16:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/ca15/general_dynamics_F-16_2D_thrust_vectoring.jpg)

Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 04, 2012, 04:42:13 AM
Has anyone tried to model the F-16 with APG-65 radar from the F/A-18:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/ca15/general_dynamics_F-16A_big_nose.jpg)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: ChernayaAkula on May 04, 2012, 05:11:35 AM
^
"I'll thump him if he calls me Big-nose again."

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m309/ChernayaAkula/BigNose.jpg)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 04, 2012, 05:13:02 AM
 ;D
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Maverick on May 04, 2012, 06:41:11 AM
At first glance the 'Super F-16' has a very MiG-29 look to it.

Regards,

John
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: ChernayaAkula on May 04, 2012, 07:03:55 AM
I knew that Super F-16 reminded me of something. Went digging and found it. Built by "Desertpilot" for the What-If GB on ARC a couple of years back. The F-2S Viper II!

(http://i421.photobucket.com/albums/pp295/desertpilot/IMG_0727.jpg)

HERE'S (http://s362974870.onlinehome.us/forums/air/index.php?showtopic=173057) the in-progress thread. I don't think he ever finished it, though.
Hmmm, I've got soo many Hasegawa 1/72 F-2s.... Hmmm....

Has anyone tried to model the F-16 with APG-65 radar from the F/A-18:
([url]http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/ca15/general_dynamics_F-16A_big_nose.jpg[/url])


(http://www.benneuss.com/images/mammals/Proboscis_Monkey.jpg)
The nose, the mouth,.... the resemblance is uncanny!  ;D
Okay, enough jokes at the expense of that poor Viper.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: dy031101 on May 04, 2012, 07:09:46 AM
What if during the thawing of relations in the '70s/'80s, the USA provided F-16s ( maybe the J79 version) to the  Chinese?
PRC or ROC?  The F-16/79 was offered to the ROC by the Carter administration.  I could see the PRC buying F-16s that could be re-engined with their license-built afterburning Spey engines.

If Tienanmen Incident didn't happen, PLAAF F-16 sure could.

Carter would never sell anything that's an improvement over the F-5E/F and F-104G to Taiwan although GD was definitely enthusiastic about a ROCAF F-16/79 deal.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: elmayerle on May 04, 2012, 12:51:31 PM
Perhaps an "even handed" approach?  Spey-powered F-16's for the PRC and afterburning TF41s used in the ROC's aircraft.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: taiidantomcat on May 07, 2012, 07:50:25 AM
Super F-16 anyone:

([url]http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/More%20Creations/c3b21982.jpg[/url])


I have to do that! But its going to be covered in red stars  O0


PLAAF Viper:

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a390/cncooper/what%20if/F-16chinese.jpg)

Coops213 did a whole slug of wonderful vipers:

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a390/cncooper/what%20if/F-16navyvfa-86-2.jpg)

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a390/cncooper/what%20if/F-16navyvf-31.jpg)

even the ugly one:

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a390/cncooper/what%20if/F-16navyRN2.jpg)

Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: tsrjoe on July 17, 2012, 11:37:26 PM
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/pictures-start-up-developing-four-seat-variant-of-f-16a-370201/ (http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/pictures-start-up-developing-four-seat-variant-of-f-16a-370201/)


 8)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Cliffy B on July 18, 2012, 02:01:01 AM
A Platypus if I've ever seen one  ;)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 18, 2012, 02:36:38 AM
(http://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=45065)
(http://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=45064)

Someone needs to build that!
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Cliffy B on July 18, 2012, 02:40:24 AM
Don't forget the HARMs, jammer pods, and gold plated canopy if you do  ;)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Geoff on July 18, 2012, 03:08:14 AM
I like the PLAAF  one, thats a bit predictable I know  :icon_ninja:
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: raafif on July 18, 2012, 06:41:26 AM
([url]http://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=45064[/url])
Someone needs to build that!


It would go well with the 3-seat Tomcat seen on a US carrier ;D
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on July 18, 2012, 08:35:37 AM
([url]http://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=45065[/url])
([url]http://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=45064[/url])

Someone needs to build that!


I agree.  Maybe give it a wood panel paint job for a winged "estate wagon" look :)

F-16XL wings with that 4Pax seating arrangement would look very good. 
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: ysi_maniac on July 18, 2012, 09:02:07 AM
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/f16_zen.jpg)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: tsrjoe on July 18, 2012, 05:03:38 PM
ok boss ... :)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 18, 2012, 05:26:08 PM
Good man! :)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: tsrjoe on July 18, 2012, 06:23:55 PM
doing it as a resin conversion master in 72 scale for a colleague based on the Hasegawa Falcon C kit, altho iv a spare 32 scale example which might look sweet in bigger size, hmm tempting  :o
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 21, 2012, 04:16:30 AM
 :)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Cliffy B on July 21, 2012, 04:17:25 AM
Jose, it needs two engines.... ;)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on July 21, 2012, 04:40:32 AM
ok boss ... :)
([url]http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=380.0;attach=3394;image[/url])


That looks like it could be adapted to fit the SR-71/YF-12 with minimum effort. 



A Platypus if I've ever seen one  ;)

About Platypus... here is a F-16 XL with a duckbill nose!
([url]http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww37/jmsfbip/new/F16xl-plus-Su34cockpit.png[/url])



Neat concept from the plan view.  Wonder how it would appear in profile with the platypus nose? 
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 21, 2012, 05:02:43 PM
It looks heavily pregnant. ;D
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 22, 2012, 07:21:02 AM
Mmmm...
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Cliffy B on July 22, 2012, 12:03:13 PM
SLICK!!!!!!  Now do some profiles of your baby  8)

What about the 4-seater in a Prowler type role complete with carrier equipment?
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: M.A.D on July 23, 2012, 12:24:55 PM
Super F-16 anyone:

([url]http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/More%20Creations/c3b21982.jpg[/url])


Know your talking!!!
That should take care of some of the thrust-to-weight ratio the traditional F-16 design has lost, since it's first conception!!!

M.A.D
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: M.A.D on July 23, 2012, 12:28:42 PM
Going twin, twinjet and twinfin. Two F-414 should be sufficient and would provide better endurance ???
([url]http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww37/jmsfbip/new/FA-16XL-StrikeViper.png[/url])


Know that's a lot of weight and room added to the design, just to make room for a toilet and microwave (aka Sukhoi Platypus)  ;D

M.A.D

 
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: M.A.D on July 23, 2012, 12:30:00 PM
Okay, take two!  ???
([url]http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww37/jmsfbip/new/FA-16XL-StrikeViper-t2.png[/url])


I like this much better JoseFern!!!

Great job


M.A.D
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: tsrjoe on July 26, 2012, 05:38:10 PM
company artwork Iranian and Australian F.16A Falcon's ...

cheers, Joe
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 27, 2012, 03:40:53 AM
Model by Andrew Doppel:

(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p182/andydoppel/DSC01904.jpg)

Another model:

(http://www.airleague.com.au/gallery/d/1828-2/res13476.jpg)

Artwork by Clave:

(http://www.clavework-graphics.co.uk/aircraft/fantasy_3/F291_F16E_RAAF.jpg)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: ChernayaAkula on July 27, 2012, 03:48:49 AM
Sweet! The world needs more Vipers in "retro" colours!  :)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 04, 2012, 05:17:18 AM
Interesting early F-16 concept with small canards:

(http://dc371.4shared.com/img/jCt6NUEO/s7/GD_MODEL_401F5A_CANARD.jpg)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 04, 2012, 05:21:16 AM
(http://dc124.4shared.com/img/cOWp2feC/s7/NASA_AWA1.jpg)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 04, 2012, 05:22:51 AM
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/F111/Navy-F-16.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/F111/1600-VF-41.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/F111/VoughtModel16001600-1GeneralArrange.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/F111/VoughtModel1600cutaway.gif)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Diamondback on October 25, 2012, 02:59:19 PM
Well, before one of my writing partners and I had a falling-out, since she wrote a character who's an F-16 pilot I had conceptualized an F-16XL/IDF Sufa/JASDF F-2 "mixmaster," and while I've abandoned any further thought on the idea for obvious reasons I just thought I'd throw it out if anybody else wanted to play with it.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: upnorth on October 25, 2012, 09:28:33 PM
([url]http://dc124.4shared.com/img/cOWp2feC/s7/NASA_AWA1.jpg[/url])


What would look really slick on that would be a butterfly type tail arrangement like the YF-23 had:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/db/YF-23_exhaust.jpg)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Logan Hartke on October 25, 2012, 09:59:16 PM
([url]http://dc124.4shared.com/img/cOWp2feC/s7/NASA_AWA1.jpg[/url])


That illustrator must've spent some long hours on this concept.

Cheers,

Logan
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Scooterman on October 25, 2012, 11:57:20 PM
Hey Greg, you got a bigger version of that Model 1600 cutaway?
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Daryl J. on October 26, 2012, 12:06:31 AM
Thursday's confession:  I find the F-16 all but impossible to Whiff outside a revised paint scheme.   I have no idea why, but that's where it is.   ;D
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: taiidantomcat on October 26, 2012, 12:32:07 AM
Thursday's confession:  I find the F-16 all but impossible to Whiff outside a revised paint scheme.   I have no idea why, but that's where it is.   ;D

Challenge accepted  ;)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: ChernayaAkula on October 26, 2012, 01:15:22 PM
<...> What would look really slick on that would be a butterfly type tail arrangement like the YF-23 had: <...>


Great idea! Here you go!  :)

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m309/ChernayaAkula/WhIf/F-16-butterfly-tail.png)

I was too lazy to do the YF-23-style exhaust, though.  :P 
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: upnorth on October 26, 2012, 01:44:51 PM
That's plenty cool with or without YF-23 exhaust. I didn't actually envision it with any changes to the engine at all.

Another idea that hit me is to use an F-16 kit as the basis for an aircraft derived from the Rockwell HiMAT:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/47/HIMAT_near_Edwards_Air_Force_Base,_1979.JPEG)
net photo

(http://airandspace.si.edu/webimages/highres/2007-29640h.jpg)
net photo
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: finsrin on October 26, 2012, 01:52:15 PM
Why am I having Beechcraft Bonanza 1950s flashbacks.......  ???

Sweet - looks like a modernization step. :)     Work well on F/A-16XL Strike Viper.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Jeremak on October 27, 2012, 01:24:21 AM
Another modification for V-tail Falcon: add  F-22 vector nozzle and bigger wings: maybe MiG-29 shape?
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on October 27, 2012, 04:36:17 AM
Hey Greg, you got a bigger version of that Model 1600 cutaway?

Check your email
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: arkon on October 27, 2012, 06:50:00 AM
is there a model of the himat available?
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on October 27, 2012, 07:24:44 AM
is there a model of the himat available?

What scale?
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: arkon on October 27, 2012, 09:29:00 PM
1/72
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on October 28, 2012, 03:11:29 AM
is there a model of the himat available?


Muroc Models does one in 1/72 (http://www.ninfinger.org/models/misc/himat.html)

I have actually been after the 1/48 Stratosphere kit for a while but they are out of production.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: kitnut617 on October 28, 2012, 03:22:06 AM
is there a model of the himat available?


Ninfinger does one in 1/72 ([url]http://www.ninfinger.org/models/misc/himat.html[/url])



That's a Muroc Models kit Greg, and they're very hard to get in contact with.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on October 28, 2012, 03:48:47 AM
Teach me to post before finishing my first coffee ...thanks for picking that up.  Corrected.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: taiidantomcat on January 06, 2013, 01:12:00 AM
(http://www.vaq34.com/junk/f16_lowvis_001.jpg)

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3200/2967734669_65c48813cc_b.jpg)

F-35 paint.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: kitnut617 on January 06, 2013, 03:57:28 AM
Very nice pics tdt, the pics downsize perfectly on this forum but not on What-If forum.  What's that little vehicle in the background in the second pic, looks like some kinda Dodge with a very short box.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: apophenia on January 06, 2013, 11:14:38 AM
kit': That 'Bobtail' is a Chevrolet chassis and cab. The USAF call it a 'Flight-Line Tow Tractor" (sometimes with 'Aerospace-Ground Equipment' spliced in). The maker (NMC-Wollard) calls it a Model BT'. http://www.nmc-wollard.com/specsheets/BobTail-7-12-Sml.pdf (http://www.nmc-wollard.com/specsheets/BobTail-7-12-Sml.pdf)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: arkon on January 06, 2013, 04:28:36 PM
dang! did not evan notice the little truck or that its the thunderbirds lined up in the back!
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: kitnut617 on January 07, 2013, 12:14:09 AM
Thanks for that Ap', now somewhere I've seen a Chevy truck in 1/72, diecast I think, and what with the ground equipment Aircraft in Miniature does, we could have an addition to the display some time in the future.  That's when I get the display cabinet done of course ----  ;D
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Caveman on January 07, 2013, 08:14:25 AM
This thread over on secretprojects has a lot of potential for wiffery. It has lots of proposals which eventually lead to the f16. Some show the family lineage, others less so. Like the slightly JSF variant with lovely curved ogival wings :)

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,1335.0.html (http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,1335.0.html)

Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: taiidantomcat on January 20, 2013, 07:05:36 AM
(http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/095/f/2/pit_viper_by_phthalotype-d3d9hpx.jpg)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: ChernayaAkula on January 20, 2013, 07:11:12 AM
Pretty!  :-*

I'd soooo love to see Monogram release their F-16XL again, warts and all.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Daryl J. on January 20, 2013, 07:25:10 AM
With the current island dispute between Japan and China, I can see a peacekeeping scenario where Mitsubishi F-2A's and B's and  Chengdu J-10B's and S's are flown by observer/peacekeeper personnel say Norwegians, Danes, Indians, Kiwis, and Aussies.   

And that is sort of F-16-ish. 

Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: M.A.D on January 27, 2013, 11:05:19 PM
([url]http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/095/f/2/pit_viper_by_phthalotype-d3d9hpx.jpg[/url])



As a huge fan of the F-16XL design and its capabilities I love this!!
Any chance of adding a couple of the conformal fuel tanks along the fuselage to go along with that new dorsal spine housing??

M.A.D
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: The Big Gimper on March 08, 2013, 07:17:24 AM
A long time ago, my Kung Fu master said to me: Grasshopper, have patience, wait a long time, wait quietly and eBay will provide a 1/72 Monogram F-16XL at a good price.  But that does not excuse you from trying to snatch the tube of glue from my hand.  The glue I did not get.

But I finally snagged a F-16XL and here is what I want to. But I need to defer to the those who are more knowledgeable with the F-16 than I am:
Will the Airwaves and CMK pieces fit on the XL? Does anyone have a F-18 nose they are willing to part with?

Comments?
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Daryl J. on March 08, 2013, 07:35:36 AM
While not exactly a F-16, the ROKAF T-50 would look great in Aggressor/Adversary paint. 
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Diamondback on March 08, 2013, 08:04:37 AM
Gimper, the XL has its tail chopped off and a plug spliced in (which pitches the rear up a few degrees from standard as well), so you'd probably have to adjust the spie and CFT's accordingly.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: elmayerle on March 08, 2013, 08:51:09 AM
A long time ago, my Kung Fu master said to me: Grasshopper, have patience, wait a long time, wait quietly and eBay will provide a 1/72 Monogram F-16XL at a good price.  But that does not excuse you from trying to snatch the tube of glue from my hand.  The glue I did not get.

But I finally snagged a F-16XL and here is what I want to. But I need to defer to the those who are more knowledgeable with the F-16 than I am:
  • CMK F-16C Conformal Fuel Tanks
  • Airwaves Israeli  F-16N Avionic Spine
  • F-18 APG-65 Big Nose Radome
  • Move the landing gear out to crank and use 4 wheel boogies to be taken from a 1/144 Tu-95
Will the Airwaves and CMK pieces fit on the XL? Does anyone have a F-18 nose they are willing to part with?

Comments?
Well, first of all, you've going to have to adjust the spine, no matter what.  The spine is applied to two-seaters only in RL and the Monogram kit is a single-seater.  On top of that, the F-16XL is, as Diamondback stated, stretched over the stock F-16 and will need adjustment accordingly there, too.  The CFT's are designed to settle over the wing-fuselage join and would need stretching and adjustment to fit the F-16XL.  The big nose radar is possible, but there are other, less extreme, options to getting the same radar performance (it depends on the time period you're looking at).  Are you looking to move the landing gear from the fuselage to the wing or just modify the landing gear to use 4-wheel boogies on each side?
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: The Big Gimper on March 08, 2013, 10:56:02 AM
A long time ago, my Kung Fu master said to me: Grasshopper, have patience, wait a long time, wait quietly and eBay will provide a 1/72 Monogram F-16XL at a good price.  But that does not excuse you from trying to snatch the tube of glue from my hand.  The glue I did not get.

But I finally snagged a F-16XL and here is what I want to. But I need to defer to the those who are more knowledgeable with the F-16 than I am:
  • CMK F-16C Conformal Fuel Tanks
  • Airwaves Israeli  F-16N Avionic Spine
  • F-18 APG-65 Big Nose Radome
  • Move the landing gear out to crank and use 4 wheel boogies to be taken from a 1/144 Tu-95
Will the Airwaves and CMK pieces fit on the XL? Does anyone have a F-18 nose they are willing to part with?

Comments?
Well, first of all, you've going to have to adjust the spine, no matter what.  The spine is applied to two-seaters only in RL and the Monogram kit is a single-seater.  On top of that, the F-16XL is, as Diamondback stated, stretched over the stock F-16 and will need adjustment accordingly there, too.  The CFT's are designed to settle over the wing-fuselage join and would need stretching and adjustment to fit the F-16XL.  The big nose radar is possible, but there are other, less extreme, options to getting the same radar performance (it depends on the time period you're looking at).  Are you looking to move the landing gear from the fuselage to the wing or just modify the landing gear to use 4-wheel boogies on each side?

If I understand all the comments, the spine will be short and will need to be extended.
The CFT will also on the short side. Add a splice in the middle? Or leave as is and re-contour?
The landing gear will be moved out to the wing with pods to store them in. Wider stance. This I think will allow me to squeeze in an extra pylon / station. Think of a Garry Anderson design.  It is a Carl thing.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: elmayerle on March 08, 2013, 11:09:20 AM
I'd splice and stretch the CFT's.  Relocating the MLG should get interesting but would help with ground handling.  You might want to try running the MLG fairing for the gear back to split the flaps with a pointed end similar to the existing fairings between flaps and ailerons or just end the fairing in front of the flap as the housing for the flap actuator.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 18, 2013, 04:55:50 PM
Has anyone tried modelling a F-16 J-79?

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c0/F-16B_J79.jpg)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Weaver on March 18, 2013, 07:38:03 PM
How about a retro one, i.e. make it look as iif it had been designed in the 1950s?

Some possibilities:

Conventional 3-piece windscreen plus canopy (F-86?)(Scaleorama?)

Replace the multi-petal nozzle with a plain tapered tube which looks like part of the fuselage, with a plain jet pipe inside it.

Replace the front third of the radome with a small conical one (F-104?) and then scribe/blend/paint the rest of it to look like fuselage structure.

Replace the ventral fins and arrestor hook with a single tapering long-chord fin.

Remove all "high-tech" electronics bulges/aerials.

Paint it BMF as though it's made from aluminium, not carbon-fibre.

Call it the Convair F-116, as though it's part of the Century series.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 19, 2013, 01:58:16 AM
I like your thinking.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Daryl J. on March 19, 2013, 02:07:04 AM
The Vought V-526 approaches that idea.  It looks really good, and your ideas would make it look great!
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: elmayerle on March 19, 2013, 02:17:11 AM
Has anyone tried modelling a F-16 J-79?
I've looked at it.  The fairing for the smaller-diameter exhaust nozzle is easy and the nozzle itself is readily available.  ISTR that the inlet was reduced in size to match the engine airflow requirements, but I don't know exactly how that was done.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Daryl J. on March 23, 2013, 11:27:59 PM
 Mitsubishi F-2A with a wing planform similar to the Suchoi T-10 prototype.   I like ogival wings.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 24, 2013, 03:14:21 AM
Like these:

(http://www.aviastar.org/russian-aircraft/flanker/t-10.gif)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 24, 2013, 03:27:58 AM
Has anyone tried modelling a F-16 J-79?
I've looked at it.  The fairing for the smaller-diameter exhaust nozzle is easy and the nozzle itself is readily available.  ISTR that the inlet was reduced in size to match the engine airflow requirements, but I don't know exactly how that was done.

Info I have found:

"Since the J79 engine required a lower airflow than did the F100 turbofan used on all production F-16A/B's, the shape of the air intake was altered. Only external difference between the original, modular designed (and thus easily replaceable) intake section and the new one is the lengthened upper surface of the intake, which extends much further forward, making it an obvious recognition feature. "
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Daryl J. on March 24, 2013, 05:00:35 AM
Yes, that T-10.  :)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 31, 2013, 05:22:59 AM
What about an operational version of the original F-16A, I.e. one that was equipped for daylight only operations.  Maybe even in Israeli service as a replacement for the likes of the Mirage 5?
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Daryl J. on March 31, 2013, 05:34:22 AM
 :)

Funny you say. 

Yesterday I was eyeing my old red, white, and blue Monogram F-16 with that very idea in mind.    Covering the canopy with a canvas, since everyone knows what that looks like anyway, would take care of the the kit's biggest ''detail'' shortcoming.    The nose is somewhat more pointed than other 1/48 kits and as far as wheel wells go, I'm rarely turning my kits upside down for an annual gender physical.    Besides IDF, New Zealand went through my mind for a dark green option.   

Edited for accuracy.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 31, 2013, 06:52:08 AM
Love the idea of a RNZAF F-16 in the scheme of their A-4KAHUs
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Daryl J. on March 31, 2013, 07:10:38 AM
Link to someone's kit and credit given to that builder and/or photographer:

Like this?

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee348/gibstuff/Models/F-16B/F-16B-02.jpg)


Mods I'll be happy to pull this post if I've accidentally stepped outside legal bounds.   :)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 31, 2013, 07:13:36 AM
Exactly.  No need to pull photo either.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Daryl J. on March 31, 2013, 08:35:50 AM
For a non-radar pointy nose F-16 variant: 

IR sidewinders on the wing tips
Underwing fuel
Goodrich DB-110 EO/IR pod on the midline.
Whatever engine/intake combination gives the highest speed.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Volkodav on March 31, 2013, 08:46:59 AM
What about an operational version of the original F-16A, I.e. one that was equipped for daylight only operations.  Maybe even in Israeli service as a replacement for the likes of the Mirage 5?
A Winslow Wheller special?
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Daryl J. on March 31, 2013, 09:07:32 AM
 ;D
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: elmayerle on March 31, 2013, 12:43:07 PM
For a non-radar pointy nose F-16 variant: 

IR sidewinders on the wing tips
Underwing fuel
Goodrich DB-110 EO/IR pod on the midline.
Whatever engine/intake combination gives the highest speed.
There was a variable ramp inlet designed but, to the best of my knowledge, never built nor flight tested.  Such an inlet would allow you to get up to Mach 2.5 or 2.8.  Any higher would require material replacement to handle the thermal loads.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Daryl J. on March 31, 2013, 12:51:05 PM
Variable ramp inlet......
I know nothing.   :icon_crap:

Would that be akin to what is seen on a J-10S or Eurofighter?

Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: elmayerle on March 31, 2013, 12:56:03 PM
Yeah, but it worked with the F-16's intake geometry.  It's been ages since I saw the drawing, but the most noticeable difference was the lower portion extended farther forward than the upper portion with the boundary layer diverter.  It looked somewhat like a fieri inlet.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 14, 2013, 05:32:37 PM
Random Idea:  Brazilian F-16...maybe second hand ones instead of the Mirage 2000s they have?
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: kitnut617 on August 14, 2013, 09:05:09 PM
Yeah, but it worked with the F-16's intake geometry.  It's been ages since I saw the drawing, but the most noticeable difference was the lower portion extended farther forward than the upper portion with the boundary layer diverter.  It looked somewhat like a fieri inlet.

So really just an upside-down regular ramp then    -----
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: elmayerle on August 15, 2013, 02:00:59 AM
Yeah, but it worked with the F-16's intake geometry.  It's been ages since I saw the drawing, but the most noticeable difference was the lower portion extended farther forward than the upper portion with the boundary layer diverter.  It looked somewhat like a fieri inlet.

So really just an upside-down regular ramp then    -----

Some what, the side contours and cut were different.  Consider an upside-down squished Vigilante inlet.  The upside-down aspect is a function of where they could put the actuators for the variable internal ramp while working with the existing flow path.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: kitnut617 on August 15, 2013, 03:22:11 AM
Yeah, but it worked with the F-16's intake geometry.  It's been ages since I saw the drawing, but the most noticeable difference was the lower portion extended farther forward than the upper portion with the boundary layer diverter.  It looked somewhat like a fieri inlet.

So really just an upside-down regular ramp then    -----

Some what, the side contours and cut were different.  Consider an upside-down squished Vigilante inlet.  The upside-down aspect is a function of where they could put the actuators for the variable internal ramp while working with the existing flow path.

and the nose u/c gear perhaps ---
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on October 11, 2013, 12:23:43 PM
I am normally a fan of special event markings or paint schemes for military aircraft but I felt this one had to be shared since it is such a fabulous scheme ;)

Revell 1/72 F-16C Block 52 Fighting Falcon Kit Build Review by Chuck Holte (http://www.cybermodeler.com/hobby/builds/rm/build_rg_4669.shtml)

Click on html or thumbnail to view at CyberModeler.

(http://www.cybermodeler.com/hobby/builds/rm/images/rg_4669_04t.jpg) (http://www.cybermodeler.com/hobby/builds/rm/build_rg_4669.shtml)

Not sure if they are trying to do a flame job or tiger stripes or a combination of both.  Certainly flashy. 
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: perttime on October 11, 2013, 02:54:00 PM
It is real:
F-16C # 87-0241 of the Colorado ANG 120FS/140WG at Buckley AFB. This paint job was applied for the "Tiger Meet of the Americas" in August of 2001.

http://www.f-16.net/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&p=10714 (http://www.f-16.net/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&p=10714)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on October 12, 2013, 12:59:31 AM
It is real:
F-16C # 87-0241 of the Colorado ANG 120FS/140WG at Buckley AFB. This paint job was applied for the "Tiger Meet of the Americas" in August of 2001.

[url]http://www.f-16.net/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&p=10714[/url] ([url]http://www.f-16.net/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&p=10714[/url])


I was aware of that, just wanted to share the link so others could enjoy the scale model of the subject since it looks like a combination of flames and tiger stripes so it is not the usual tiger meet livery that you normally see on the aircraft for that event. 
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Nexus1171 on October 13, 2013, 07:29:13 AM
I have a bunch of ideas

I:  Lightweight design stays lightweight

Notes: The YF-16 was only like 20,500 pounds gross; the production model weighed 26,500
The idea would be to not add too much weight to the aircraft, the only additions being the radar and electronics as well as possibly some wing enlargements: I don't know if extra fuel would be needed to maintain an adequate fuel fraction interestingl; It would ultimately be a better fighter, while not a bomb-truck -- it could do plenty of bruising and killing as it was designed to.


II: Redesigned LERX by F-16A Stage

Notes: The YF-16 was prone to a deep-stall, as would it's later F-16 models.  This occurred because despite noting a deep-stall tendency on the full-scale test-model; they ignored it in favor of a small scale test model.  While it would have been preferable for the modification to have been made from the outset, it would be fine if it was made by the production stage (In fact it could be better because once you win the contract, you can do whatever you want)
This would allow the plane to even pull a cobra maneuver; having an alpha limiter would be good for most maneuvers, but frankly, the ability to jack the alpha up to a cobra would be very useful in combat with the limiter able to be turned off. 

Comments: Unsure what effect this would have on acceleration and sustained turning performance across the airspeed and mach-number range; preferably the plane would be kept light like the first concept I illustrated (i.e. the plane's mass kept as close to the LWF as possible with no extra bomb-loads)


III: Redesigned Inlet

Notes: The F-16 was admittedly capable of speeds in excess of Mach 2, but by the accounts of F-104 pilots it was about 300 knots slower (The F-104 could also fly supersonic without burner; technically the prototype could slip through without an afterburner using the J65); considering the fact that the aircraft had flaps that could deflect up producing inverse camber, was naturally unstable and did have substantial supersonic agility, supersonic cruise should be do-able provided a better inlet existed
Comments/Notes: The easiest approach would be an inlet shape similar to the F-16/79 scaled appropriately to the F100 with bypass vents if necessary on the undersides/sides/both if needed (Still a flattened half cone and/or a Ferri type would look pretty damned slick, though not necessarily as practical)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: ysi_maniac on November 12, 2013, 09:50:31 AM
Navalized F-16
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/f16_f18.jpg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/f16_f18.jpg.html)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on November 12, 2013, 05:05:14 PM
Interesting.  Certainly different to the real world proposal back on Pg 5 of this thread.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: taiidantomcat on November 13, 2013, 09:40:35 AM
Ha! That's a tricky one  :)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: LemonJello on December 10, 2013, 09:40:35 PM
I've added an older Tamiya F-16 to the stash to become my F-16XL, but I'm running into an issue; it's a left half/right half fuselage breakdown and I'm trying to figure out how to cut it in order to add the additional plugs/length to match the XL three view I have.  Any suggestions?
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Talos on December 11, 2013, 02:48:12 AM
I've added an older Tamiya F-16 to the stash to become my F-16XL, but I'm running into an issue; it's a left half/right half fuselage breakdown and I'm trying to figure out how to cut it in order to add the additional plugs/length to match the XL three view I have.  Any suggestions?


This is something I researched a couple years ago for an operational F-16XL profile drawing I was working on. Need to go back sometime and finish it...

This is a quote from F-16.net that shows how the real plane was modified. Be careful to note that the bottom rear plug was different length compared to the top plug, causing the rear fuselage to be angled upwards.

Quote
The fuselage was lengthened with 56 inches (142 cm) to 54 feet 1.86 inches by 'inserting' 2 new fuselage sections at the junctions between the three main fuselage sub-assemblies: one 26 inch (66 cm) section was inserted at the rear split point, and a 30 inch (76 cm) section at the front one. However, the rear 26in section, was not a continuous segment from the bottom to the top. Below the wing, a 26 inch segment was inserted just aft of the main landing gear, above the wing the segment was still 26 inches long, but inserted 26 inches farther aft than the segment below the wing. This made the section look like a backward "Z". The fuselage lengthening enabled the tail section to be canted up 3 degrees, necessary to prevent the engine nozzle from striking the runway during take off and landing.


http://www.f-16.net/f-16_versions_article1.html (http://www.f-16.net/f-16_versions_article1.html)

You can see the location of the plugs here in the attached picture. SCAMP is roughly the same as F-16XL, the big difference is the tail, which was supposed to be a normal F-16 horizontal tailplane converted into an all-moving vertical tail.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: perttime on December 11, 2013, 03:07:24 AM
I like compact airplanes:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7068/6972014123_d2ee758a9f_n.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/perttime/6972014123/in/set-72157629183870622)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on December 12, 2013, 06:13:20 AM
Random Idea:  Ilmavoimat F-16
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on December 12, 2013, 06:37:16 AM
Has anyone done any Canadian F-16s?
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on December 12, 2013, 06:38:04 AM
F-16 with Sparrows:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/abh_zps94fa6c38.jpg)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: taiidantomcat on December 12, 2013, 10:51:57 PM
(http://www.voodoo-world.cz/falcon/F16SWF.JPG)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 09, 2014, 05:45:25 AM
Don't forget that there was the A-16:  In the 1980's, the USAF started setting aside F-16s for the planned A-16 modification, a dedicated close air support version of the F-16. In 1989, the designation block 60 was reserved for the A-16. The A-16 Block 60 was to be equipped with a 30 mm cannon and provided with a strengthened wing structure for anti-tank weapons such as 7.62 mm min pods. This project failed because the 30 mm gun would heat up and senge the inner components of the left fuselage.

there was also a F/A-16A & F/A-16C.

See here (http://www.f-16.net/f-16_versions_article18.html) for more info
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: kitnut617 on February 09, 2014, 05:56:38 AM
I remember those, I'm pretty sure that's why I painted my F-16 like I have (sorry, best pic I have of it at the moment)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: elmayerle on February 09, 2014, 08:45:20 AM
Putting a 30mm Gatling in the F-16 would take a large shoe-horn, that's a crowded fuselage and the current 20mm magazine is suspended between the forward and center fuselage segments when the fuselage is joined together (had to research structural fit problems there once upon a time).

They couldn't hang a 30mm Gepod under the fuselage because the structure couldn't hold it steady enough.  Methinks they might have had better luck with the USMC's 25mm GAU-12, but the USAF using a USMC weapon would be an uphill political sell.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Diamondback on February 15, 2014, 04:33:00 PM
They couldn't hang a 30mm Gepod under the fuselage because the structure couldn't hold it steady enough.  Methinks they might have had better luck with the USMC's 25mm GAU-12, but the USAF using a USMC weapon would be an uphill political sell.
Nice thing about WHIFFing a PMC... all that matters is getting an authorization and the check to clear. :D
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Daryl J. on February 16, 2014, 12:57:42 PM
It tempts to extend the main wing a bit with a dogtooth as an early Agile Falcon project.     With the advent of Tamiya's absolute jewels, the still-great Hasegawa kits are cheap at shows and with the aftermarket strong, one could have a first rate spurious model for not all that much money.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: kitnut617 on March 07, 2014, 02:30:08 AM
I remember those, I'm pretty sure that's why I painted my F-16 like I have (sorry, best pic I have of it at the moment)

While going through my stash looking for my Argus (in a near panic  :-\  ) a box I looked in was full of styrene peanuts so I wonder why that was.  Found a bunch of built models I don't remember putting in there.  One was my Airfix F-16B done in SEAC camo.  One day I'll get the decals on but I haven't found any to suit the camo.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: taiidantomcat on March 14, 2014, 12:09:38 AM
(http://www.codeonemagazine.com/images/media/Hillaker_F16_01_1267828237_1542.jpg)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Kerick on March 14, 2014, 09:45:32 AM
I always find it amazing how a design can go through so many changes that all look so good.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 15, 2014, 04:57:07 AM
Some information in case anyone wanted to give their F-16 build an interesting twist…to annoy the JMNs:

(http://www.airforceworld.com/fighter/gfx/f16/f16_aim7_2.jpg)
(http://hud607.fire.prohosting.com/uncommon/reference/usa/images/f-16_01.jpg)
(http://hud607.fire.prohosting.com/uncommon/reference/usa/images/f-16_03.jpg)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: elmayerle on March 15, 2014, 05:15:33 AM
Hmm, mount HARM's instead and have a couple extra hardpoints for a SEAD version?  Same concept applied to an F-2Kai?
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: The Big Gimper on March 15, 2014, 05:22:24 AM
I have a F-16CG/CJ.  Looks like it will get two more hard points.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 15, 2014, 05:25:10 AM
Maybe do a dedicated SEAD F-16 using a two seater
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: TerryCampion on March 16, 2014, 02:19:25 AM
Paint jobs to brighten things up....
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: taiidantomcat on March 26, 2014, 01:27:23 AM
Hello everyone, I wanted to make a kind of realistic whif  :o This is new to me as I tend to just stick with the fantasy/sci-fi type stuff.
 

The indians developed a Mig-21type concept (Bison) that got a lot of press after it showed impressive skills in exercises against US aircraft. It was a Mig-21 retrofitted with new avionics and jamming along with HOBs missiles, so it could keep up with more modern aircraft this was from a US pilot talking about a Red Flag:


"The MiG-21 bison is a pretty neat airplane."
"It is based on the MiG-21 as many of you guys know from the Vietnam (War) era, but upgraded with an F-16 radar built by the Israelis in the nose, active radar missile, and they carry an Israeli jammer on it would practically make them invisible to our legacy radar in the F-15 and F-16."
"MiG-21 had the capability to get into the scissors with you, 110 knots, 60 degrees nose high, go from 10,000 feet to 20,000 feet, very maneuverable airplane, but it didn't have any good weapons. Now it has high off bore sight Archer missile, helmet mounted sight, active missile, and a jammer that gets it into the merge, good radar..."

So I wanted to do the same with the F-16 in 1/48 scale features I have so far:

F110 engine, block 30 is supposed to be the "hot rod" F-16 where it had the most thrust and the lightest weight

F-35 style paint:
http://www.vaq34.com/junk/f16_lowvis_001.jpg (http://www.vaq34.com/junk/f16_lowvis_001.jpg)

pilot with JHMCS,

Aim-9Xs mounted

cockpit with a giant screen (F-35 like)

I'm trying to avoid major surgeries as this would be a lower cost upgrade

I need help on the Jamming/ EW/ Avionics stuff though  :icon_crap:

would it have bird slicers on the nose? internal or external jammers? what type?

Anyone have any details about the CAPES upgrade or the F-16V?

What lumps and bumps should I be adding or taking away?

any other suggestions welcome, I would love to make this a weekend or week long project.

Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Rickshaw on March 26, 2014, 10:20:08 AM
"HOBS"?

Apart from that, anything you do with a MiG-21 means you eventually end up with little left of the original aircraft.  New engine, new radar, new cockpit...

The Israeli-Romanian updated MiG-21, the Lancer was a pretty smart one, which upgraded most of the aircraft in some way.

I've always preferred the later, larger MiG-21s compared to the earlier "sports model" ones.  Something about the way the larger fuselage and conical nose work together.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: elmayerle on March 26, 2014, 11:10:16 AM
Not externally visible, but use the F110-GE-132 variant from the F-16E/F for the most "poke".  The "bird slicers" on the nose would be a reasonable update and the OBOGS portion of the CAPES upgrade, at the very least, would be nice in cutting some weight.  I'd probably go with the ESM sensors under the formation lights that the later models have.  Save weight and improve radar performance by going with one of the AESA radars on offer for the F-16 (again, no noticeable external changes).  If memory serves me correctly, the Greek, Chilean, and Polish variants all have a pretty capable ECM system internally mounted (the boxes are in the spine on the two-seaters for those countries).  As an option, you might want to add a suitable IRST (I seem to remember that the F-16E/F has something like that).

HTH,
Evan
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 26, 2014, 03:54:47 PM
Why not keep the Indian link and use the F-16IN as the inspiration.

Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 27, 2014, 04:35:41 PM
Actually f you wanted to do a relatively low cost upgrade you would focus on the internal systems and not really have much to show externally.

However, if one wanted to go the 'whole hog' and spare no expense on creating the Über-F-16 one could consider the following:

Start with all the features of the F-16E/F (Bl0ck 60 series):

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/image_zps4c1f283d.jpg) (http://ru-aviation.livejournal.com/1356436.html)
Click on image for many more photos

This gives you improved AN/APG-80 Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar ( though one may also choose either the SABR or RACR radars instead) , avionics including internal EO and advanced EW, conformal fuel tanks (CFTs), missionized spine etc and the more powerful GE F110-132 engine.

Then maybe give it the LOAN style nozzle:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/image_zps99aebb73.jpg) (http://www.f-16.net/f-16_versions_article20.html)
Click on image for more details.

And also the Diverterless Supersonic Intake:

(http://aviationintel.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/2010_f16_dsi_02_1267828237_7281.jpg) (http://aviationintel.com/fast-history-lockheeds-diverterless-supersonic-inlet-testbed-f-16/)
Also clickable for more info.

Maybe also develop some stealthy weapons pods such as that proposed for the F/A-18 Super Hornet developments:

(http://defense-update.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/advanced_super_hornet.jpg)

Let's say, you develop both centreline and wing pods of this type.  Probably also use the wing tip launchers for some form of EW pod.

Now let's also give some of the doors etc some saw-tooth stealth treatment as well.  And finally give the entire thing a good all over paint job using the F-35's paint.


 
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: taiidantomcat on March 28, 2014, 03:44:19 AM
This is great!! thank you everyone!!
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: elmayerle on March 28, 2014, 09:53:40 AM
Actually, I'd give it a mix of the LOAN and AVEN (Axisymmetric Vectoring Exhause Nozzle) for added capability.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 28, 2014, 11:17:51 AM
Speaking of which, here is the AVEN in action:

F-16 MATV Extended Video (Rare Footage) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZQDwRKHCSQ#)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: The Big Gimper on March 28, 2014, 06:09:58 PM
Wow. That's cool.

How would Bitching Betty (http://airspeedonline.com/2014/02/kim-crow-the-original-bitching-betty-audio-episode-show-notes/) deal with those flight orientations?

"Backwards! Backwards!"  or "Pull down! Pull down!"
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: kitnut617 on March 28, 2014, 09:15:32 PM
In Chinese no less ------ hmm     ::)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Volkodav on March 28, 2014, 09:55:13 PM
In Chinese no less ------ hmm     ::)

Yes they have already produced a copy but those nasty American companies wont sell the metallurgical tech so they don't work, time for some more industrial espionage.  :icon_ninja:
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: dy031101 on March 30, 2014, 06:39:23 AM
In Chinese no less ------ hmm     ::)

Yes they have already produced a copy but those nasty American companies wont sell the metallurgical tech so they don't work, time for some more industrial espionage.  :icon_ninja:

The last 20 seconds are in Japanese.  And the Chinese is in traditional (Taiwan) rather than simplified (Mainland).

This has got to be the worst friendly-fire excuse I've ever heard  ;D
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: kitnut617 on March 30, 2014, 07:09:25 AM
And also the Diverterless Supersonic Intake:
([url]http://aviationintel.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/2010_f16_dsi_02_1267828237_7281.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://aviationintel.com/fast-history-lockheeds-diverterless-supersonic-inlet-testbed-f-16/[/url])


That just has to be taken from the X-32 set-up, looks just like it.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: elmayerle on March 30, 2014, 09:21:51 AM
More like the X-32 was taken from it as this modification to the testbed F-16 was done back in the late 1990's. 
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Diamondback on March 30, 2014, 10:05:33 AM
Well, here's two build ideas...

1. QUICK & DIRTY:
-Add rails on doors like Aircraft #2 in Greg's prior post--maybe LAU-12x-series with BOL dispensers.
-Shove an F110-GE-X or F100-PW-229A/232 up its backside. (-X is a GE demonstrator variant, putting out 36,500# thrust in Zone 5; PW-229A/232 are both 32,500#.) Definitely needs an AVEN/LOAN hybrid.
-Build on an E/F or a Sufa, with both spine and CFT's.
-Diverterless supersonic inlet.
-Wide Angle Raster HUD?

2. SPARE NO EXPENSE:
-As per Q&D, but:
-Start with a Sufa.
-Modify to an XL config, including stretching spine and CFT's.
-BOL dispensers on all AMRAAM rails including wingtips--or maybe the dual-rail-plus-ECM-pod setup that IIRC Greg posted in another thread I can't find ATM.
-Cram the most powerful engine that'll fit up its arse.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Volkodav on March 30, 2014, 02:30:15 PM
Blend the fuselage into the diverterless supersonic inlet and use the extra volume in place of or in addition to the CFTs.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Diamondback on March 30, 2014, 02:38:50 PM
My vote would be "in addition"--if we go with F110-GE-X there's power to spare anyway, and if we can get even more power we can improve the P/W ratio even with the creep of added gear. Even an engine with equal power but less weight will help move the P/W curve in the right direction...

BTW, does anybody remember where that "dually plus pod" tip was posted? I thought it was something for the AIDC Ching-Kuo and it's something I'm considering for my "F-15 revamped" builds, but I can't seem to find it again to even start looking for ideas.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: kitnut617 on March 30, 2014, 10:03:47 PM
More like the X-32 was taken from it as this modification to the testbed F-16 was done back in the late 1990's.

Now that's interesting Evan, didn't know that ---

Was it developed with the new XF-X in mind then ?
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: elmayerle on March 30, 2014, 10:26:40 PM
Well, here's two build ideas...

1. QUICK & DIRTY:
-Add rails on doors like Aircraft #2 in Greg's prior post--maybe LAU-12x-series with BOL dispensers.
-Shove an F110-GE-X or F100-PW-229A/232 up its backside. (-X is a GE demonstrator variant, putting out 36,500# thrust in Zone 5; PW-229A/232 are both 32,500#.) Definitely needs an AVEN/LOAN hybrid.
-Build on an E/F or a Sufa, with both spine and CFT's.
-Diverterless supersonic inlet.
-Wide Angle Raster HUD?

2. SPARE NO EXPENSE:
-As per Q&D, but:
-Start with a Sufa.
-Modify to an XL config, including stretching spine and CFT's.
-BOL dispensers on all AMRAAM rails including wingtips--or maybe the dual-rail-plus-ECM-pod setup that IIRC Greg posted in another thread I can't find ATM.
-Cram the most powerful engine that'll fit up its arse.
For "Spare no Expense", go with the advanced option offered the UAE that has a wing very similar to the F-22's and the F-16XL's conformal semi-submerged carriage of four AMRAAMs or equivalent plus wing hardpoints (six, in total, if I remember the illustrations correctly).
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: elmayerle on March 30, 2014, 10:43:00 PM
More like the X-32 was taken from it as this modification to the testbed F-16 was done back in the late 1990's.

Now that's interesting Evan, didn't know that ---

Was it developed with the new XF-X in mind then ?
The FSD F-16 that was flown with canards was used for years as an R&D testbed.  It's final role was as a testbed for a variety of JSF technologies including the diverterless inlet.

BTW, that picture above was taken, I believe, from a flight hanger along the eastern edge of the plant here, looking east across the Carswell Field main runway; I recognize the buildings in the background.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Talos on April 01, 2014, 06:48:26 AM
More like the X-32 was taken from it as this modification to the testbed F-16 was done back in the late 1990's.

Now that's interesting Evan, didn't know that ---

Was it developed with the new XF-X in mind then ?

Actually, it was modified by Lockheed to test the F-35's diverterless intakes back in 1996. I need to go back and finish my F-16 profile drawing sometime, I did draw that intake for it too.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 17, 2014, 03:16:48 AM
Something different:  Iraqi F-16

(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/ruihevl29fgibysv75rg.jpg)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 17, 2014, 04:46:13 AM
Look Ma!  No Pilot!

(http://www.ainonline.com/sites/default/files/uploads/qf-16_0.jpg)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: raafif on May 17, 2014, 04:51:06 AM
I like the colourful drones :D :)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Scooterman on May 17, 2014, 09:57:22 AM
Bah.  Did mine 10 years ago.  I was close!
(http://i1234.photobucket.com/albums/ff416/scootermanA4F/BITCHBOX/MODELS/QF-16A/DSCF3100_zps4ae9b3dd.jpg) (http://s1234.photobucket.com/user/scootermanA4F/media/BITCHBOX/MODELS/QF-16A/DSCF3100_zps4ae9b3dd.jpg.html)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 18, 2014, 03:34:55 AM
But your's is too pretty to shoot down... ;)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 15, 2014, 04:25:01 AM
Random F-16 inspiration thanks to Chris Cooper:

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a390/cncooper/what%20if/F-16spanish.jpg)
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a390/cncooper/what%20if/F-16spanishCamo.jpg)
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a390/cncooper/what%20if/F-1675sqn.jpg)
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a390/cncooper/what%20if/F-16navyvf-31-2.jpg)
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a390/cncooper/what%20if/F-16navyRN.jpg)
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a390/cncooper/what%20if/F-16navyvf-31.jpg)
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a390/cncooper/what%20if/F-16navyvf-84.jpg)
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a390/cncooper/what%20if/F-16navyhiviz.jpg)
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a390/cncooper/what%20if/F-16fanta.jpg)
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a390/cncooper/what%20if/F-16jammer.jpg)
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a390/cncooper/what%20if/F-16navyvf-111.jpg)
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a390/cncooper/what%20if/F-16chinese.jpg)
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a390/cncooper/what%20if/F-16UCAV2.jpg)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Daryl J. on August 21, 2014, 07:06:17 AM
Boy oh boy..seeing the resin mockup of the new Kinetic F-16XL made me immediately think Swedish and digital green cammo.

Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: taiidantomcat on October 31, 2014, 06:59:05 AM
http://www.f-16.net/g3/var/resizes/artwork/album221/Block%2070.jpg?m=1371937053 (http://www.f-16.net/g3/var/resizes/artwork/album221/Block%2070.jpg?m=1371937053)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: elmayerle on October 31, 2014, 07:08:16 AM
[url]http://www.f-16.net/g3/var/resizes/artwork/album221/Block%2070.jpg?m=1371937053[/url] ([url]http://www.f-16.net/g3/var/resizes/artwork/album221/Block%2070.jpg?m=1371937053[/url])

F-16D Block52 fuselage (maybe use two spliced together to get the same length as the F-16XL, cockpit, spine, and vertical tail, canards off a YF-16CCV, AFTI-16, or FSX, kit, and wings off a YF-22 as a starting point; though if Kinetic does a 2-seat F-16XL, that would work just as well (and, yes, Greg, there was at least one 1/48 kit of a YF-16CCV produced - Taiwanese manufacturer, IIRC).

I wonder if this would have the conformal carriage of AMRAAMs as on the extreme UAE proposal (or like the Sparrows on the F-16XL)?
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Rickshaw on November 01, 2014, 11:28:43 AM
(http://up-ship.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/image001.jpg)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on November 02, 2014, 02:44:24 AM
(and, yes, Greg, there was at least one 1/48 kit of a YF-16CCV produced - Taiwanese manufacturer, IIRC).



I have seen two:

Zhengdefu:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/690955908_o_zpsdfb62137.jpg)

Kiddyland:
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/163655-12192_zps236659ef.jpg)

Kiddyland also offer the F-16/79 in 1/48:

(http://s1.scalemates.com/products/img/6/5/6/163656-12192.jpg?nr=hf-19b&company=kiddyland&name=general%20dynamics%20f-16/79)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: elmayerle on November 02, 2014, 03:36:05 AM
I've got the Kiddyland one in the remote southern storage.  Never saw the F-16/J79, though; if I run across one, I'd definitely want it.

In 1/72 I've got a few of the F-16CCV, an AFTI-16 conversion kit, and a Hasegawa FSX kit from when it was thought the FSX (later F-2A/B) would use them.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: dy031101 on November 02, 2014, 03:47:43 AM
Never saw the F-16/J79, though; if I run across one, I'd definitely want it.

IIRC, the kit has stock F-16's intake, not the one supposedly modified for the reduced air inflow requirement of J79.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Rickshaw on November 02, 2014, 10:18:12 AM
Interesting that the /79 has ROC markings.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on November 02, 2014, 12:48:16 PM
Interesting that the /79 has ROC markings.

Well they were one of the countries envisaged to get such a variant, and it is a Taiwanese company producing the kit...so in-box whiff!
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on November 03, 2014, 02:36:31 AM
Speaking of F-16/79 whiffs, here is a great one Falcon over on Britmodeller recently did:

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f47/falcon2-photos/IMG_0053_zps5c56a932.jpg)
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f47/falcon2-photos/IMG_0050_zpsea89490e.jpg)
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f47/falcon2-photos/IMG_0052_zps5ad9685b.jpg)
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f47/falcon2-photos/IMG_0051_zps3e7cd167.jpg)
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f47/falcon2-photos/IMG_0055_zpsfc8b3d3f.jpg)
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f47/falcon2-photos/IMG_0056_zps222b9deb.jpg)
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f47/falcon2-photos/IMG_0057_zpsd194085f.jpg)

Any of our members over there want to invite him here?
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: kitnut617 on November 03, 2014, 03:39:00 AM
I was going to post something about Falcon's conversion, but I couldn't remember who did it. BTW, he's selling copies of the conversion --- it's 1/72 scale though
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: kitnut617 on November 03, 2014, 03:59:33 AM
Link to his product

http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,38913.0/highlight,f-16+79.html (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,38913.0/highlight,f-16+79.html)

or a pic of it

Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on November 03, 2014, 04:02:01 AM
Sigh…if only they were 1/48... :(
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on November 08, 2014, 09:14:51 AM
Something you don't see every day:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/imagejpg2_zps036f3a97.jpg)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Volkodav on November 08, 2014, 09:58:59 PM
Sweet, which airforce is that from?
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: perttime on November 08, 2014, 10:30:11 PM
Caption on f-16.net says "USAF F-16C": http://www.f-16.net/f-16_armament_article12.html (http://www.f-16.net/f-16_armament_article12.html)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Volkodav on November 08, 2014, 10:35:26 PM
Thanks
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Rickshaw on November 18, 2014, 06:19:47 PM
USAF - F-16s are not meant to dogfight MiG-29s or Su-27s (https://medium.com/war-is-boring/american-f-16s-arent-supposed-to-dogfight-mig-29s-and-su-27s-7e974b11d217).  Interesting little article.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on November 20, 2014, 02:39:33 AM
I was just looking at this photo posted by Ben in another thread:

(http://www.rcaf-arc.forces.gc.ca/assets/AIRFORCE_Internet/images/aircraft-current/cf-188/BN2012-0408-02.jpg)

It would be interesting to see a Canadian F-16 in a similar pale grey and weathered state.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Silver Fox on November 21, 2014, 08:19:31 AM
Hard to put a false canopy on a 16. Might be cool looking.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: elmayerle on November 21, 2014, 11:30:10 AM
Hard to put a false canopy on a 16. Might be cool looking.
ISTR that at least one operator does so; don't remember who, though.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on November 22, 2014, 02:39:52 AM
At least one of the F-16XLs did have it for a while:

(http://www.hitechweb.genezis.eu/fightersAP07.files/general_dynamics_F-16XL_5.jpg)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Silver Fox on November 22, 2014, 05:31:01 AM
Cool!

Always liked the XL, seemed like a neat and effective idea.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Old Wombat on November 22, 2014, 07:53:42 AM
Looks like they did something similar at the rear of the aircraft, too. ???
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Kerick on November 22, 2014, 08:51:22 AM
Even the in flight refueling markings are copied on the underside.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: leptiprince on March 10, 2015, 08:00:18 AM
fabulous inexhaustible subject:

(http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/18/51/85/19/cv160015.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/18518519/99)

(http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/18/51/85/19/fsw_311.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/18518519/100)

(http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/18/51/85/19/img_6712.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/18518519/101)


Look My website : http://www.figthingfalcon.eu/index.html (http://www.figthingfalcon.eu/index.html)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Daryl J. on March 10, 2015, 11:26:57 PM
Ooh!  The folded wing version above using the Mitsubishi F-2A.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 11, 2015, 02:44:23 AM
Nice work - what scale?  Are they all scratch built?
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: upnorth on March 11, 2015, 04:23:52 AM
At least one of the F-16XLs did have it for a while:

([url]http://www.hitechweb.genezis.eu/fightersAP07.files/general_dynamics_F-16XL_5.jpg[/url])


One of several aircraft they let Kieth Ferris design experimental, disruptive camouflage for as I recall.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: jcf on March 11, 2015, 06:31:54 AM
Looks like they did something similar at the rear of the aircraft, too. ???

Yep, it's a vertical tail shadow.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: leptiprince on March 25, 2015, 03:20:11 AM
(http://i19.servimg.com/u/f19/18/51/85/19/img_6814.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/18518519/115)

(http://i19.servimg.com/u/f19/18/51/85/19/img_6815.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/18518519/116)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: leptiprince on March 25, 2015, 03:22:35 AM
My scale Favorit ist 1/72 for convert ...
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 25, 2015, 05:08:14 AM
Nice
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 22, 2015, 02:43:37 AM
First Iraqi F-16:

(http://pix.avaxnews.com/avaxnews/12/64/00026412.jpeg)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on November 02, 2015, 03:30:44 AM
Interesting image:

(http://2014.uploaded.fresh.co.il/2014/04/08/39644138.jpg)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 24, 2016, 05:16:24 AM
The various locations of AIM-7 missiles on Navy F-16s...

(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p110/GTX_Christmas/f161_1.jpg)
(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p110/GTX_Christmas/Navy-F-16_2.jpg)
(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p110/GTX_Christmas/GD%20Model18.jpg)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: taiidantomcat on February 02, 2016, 09:49:36 AM
(http://www2.dragndropbuilder.com/uploads/3/2/8/7/3287314/6601145_orig.jpg)

http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index.php?showtopic=290619 (http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index.php?showtopic=290619)

Darren Roberts on ARC
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: ysi_maniac on February 02, 2016, 10:00:42 PM
Just perfect!! :icon_alabanza: :icon_alabanza: :icon_alabanza: :icon_alabanza:
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 03, 2016, 03:01:07 AM
Nice!  Invite sent?
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: taiidantomcat on February 03, 2016, 07:19:25 AM
Nice!  Invite sent?


I can ask, it would be nice to have him here! he is a 1/48 Tomcat Guru

Also February 2, 1974 first official flight of the YF-16. Happy 42nd!

(http://www.voodoo-world.cz/falcon/old/f16073.jpg)

Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: kitnut617 on March 04, 2016, 08:57:39 AM
This is a real USN F-16N, saw it at the Palm Springs Air Museum last Thursday while on holiday.  I thought the camo was a bit odd ---

(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa263/kitnut617/Yuma%20Airshow%202013/Yuma%20Vacation%202016%201_zpsugmaf40s.jpg) (http://s200.photobucket.com/user/kitnut617/media/Yuma%20Airshow%202013/Yuma%20Vacation%202016%201_zpsugmaf40s.jpg.html)

(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa263/kitnut617/Yuma%20Airshow%202013/Yuma%20Vacation%202016%203_zps2umwrmqy.jpg) (http://s200.photobucket.com/user/kitnut617/media/Yuma%20Airshow%202013/Yuma%20Vacation%202016%203_zps2umwrmqy.jpg.html)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: The Big Gimper on March 04, 2016, 08:54:53 PM
This is a real USN F-16N, saw it at the Palm Springs Air Museum last Thursday while on holiday.  I thought the camo was a bit odd ---

([url]http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa263/kitnut617/Yuma%20Airshow%202013/Yuma%20Vacation%202016%203_zps2umwrmqy.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://s200.photobucket.com/user/kitnut617/media/Yuma%20Airshow%202013/Yuma%20Vacation%202016%203_zps2umwrmqy.jpg.html[/url])


Robert: Are those your lily white winter Canadian calf's? If yes, keep up the good work.  ;D
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Old Wombat on March 04, 2016, 09:16:22 PM
Ex- navy bird, so I'm guessing dissimilar air combat training Aggressor? ???
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 05, 2016, 03:12:18 AM
Ex- navy bird, so I'm guessing dissimilar air combat training Aggressor? ???


Indeed - the F-16Ns were specifically designed for the Navy to be used as agressor aircraft in a dissimilar combat environment. The airframes featured a strenghtened structure and although derivatives of the C/D-models they had the older APG-66 radar installed.

(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p110/GTX_Christmas/F-16N_of_VF-45_taking_off_from_NAS_Oceana_1989.jpeg)
(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p110/GTX_Christmas/F-16N_Viper_at_NAS_Miramar_1991.jpeg)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: kitnut617 on March 05, 2016, 08:27:49 AM
Robert: Are those your lily white winter Canadian calf's? If yes, keep up the good work.  ;D

 ;D

This was taken the day we arrived in Palm Springs, we'd only just got off the plane an hour earlier and spent a couple of hours at the Palm Springs Air Museum (great collection BTW). We went to Yuma after that and had 29C to 33C temperatures for all the week we were there. Got some colour now though  ;)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: kitnut617 on March 05, 2016, 08:32:42 AM

Indeed - the F-16Ns were specifically designed for the Navy to be used as agressor aircraft in a dissimilar combat environment. The airframes featured a strenghtened structure and although derivatives of the C/D-models they had the older APG-66 radar installed.


I thought I read somewhere that what got called the F-16N's were aircraft that were 'dumb-downed' F-16's to be sold to another country which got sanctions placed against it before the aircraft were delivered. Then GD were left with a bunch of aircraft, the solution was to make them Navy aggressors and have the USN buy them. Just didn't think the camo was real or not.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on March 05, 2016, 09:04:02 AM

Indeed - the F-16Ns were specifically designed for the Navy to be used as agressor aircraft in a dissimilar combat environment. The airframes featured a strenghtened structure and although derivatives of the C/D-models they had the older APG-66 radar installed.



I thought I read somewhere that what got called the F-16N's were aircraft that were 'dumb-downed' F-16's to be sold to another country which got sanctions placed against it before the aircraft were delivered. Then GD were left with a bunch of aircraft, the solution was to make them Navy aggressors and have the USN buy them. Just didn't think the camo was real or not.
Robert,
I believe you are referring to the F-16/79 FX Export Fighter Program (http://www.f-16.net/f-16_versions_article12.html) which was a GE J-79 turbojet engine powered version for export to countries not eligible to receive the standard F-16 powered by the PW F-100 engines.

Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: kitnut617 on March 05, 2016, 10:16:23 AM

Indeed - the F-16Ns were specifically designed for the Navy to be used as agressor aircraft in a dissimilar combat environment. The airframes featured a strenghtened structure and although derivatives of the C/D-models they had the older APG-66 radar installed.



I thought I read somewhere that what got called the F-16N's were aircraft that were 'dumb-downed' F-16's to be sold to another country which got sanctions placed against it before the aircraft were delivered. Then GD were left with a bunch of aircraft, the solution was to make them Navy aggressors and have the USN buy them. Just didn't think the camo was real or not.
Robert,
I believe you are referring to the F-16/79 FX Export Fighter Program ([url]http://www.f-16.net/f-16_versions_article12.html[/url]) which was a GE J-79 turbojet engine powered version for export to countries not eligible to receive the standard F-16 powered by the PW F-100 engines.


getting mixed up then  ------ (as usual   :-[  )
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Rickshaw on March 05, 2016, 12:27:58 PM

Indeed - the F-16Ns were specifically designed for the Navy to be used as agressor aircraft in a dissimilar combat environment. The airframes featured a strenghtened structure and although derivatives of the C/D-models they had the older APG-66 radar installed.



I thought I read somewhere that what got called the F-16N's were aircraft that were 'dumb-downed' F-16's to be sold to another country which got sanctions placed against it before the aircraft were delivered. Then GD were left with a bunch of aircraft, the solution was to make them Navy aggressors and have the USN buy them. Just didn't think the camo was real or not.
Robert,
I believe you are referring to the F-16/79 FX Export Fighter Program ([url]http://www.f-16.net/f-16_versions_article12.html[/url]) which was a GE J-79 turbojet engine powered version for export to countries not eligible to receive the standard F-16 powered by the PW F-100 engines.


F-16N  were originally new built aircraft:
Quote
Production totalled 26 airframes of which 22 are singel-seat F-16N's and 4 are double-seat TF-16N's. The aircraft were in service between 1988 and 1998. At that time hair cracks were discovered in several bulckheads. The Navy didn't have the resources to replace them, so the aircraft were placed into storage at AMARC, ultimately being replaced by embargoed ex-Pakistani F-16s in 2003.

[Source (http://www.f-16.net/f-16_versions_article22.html)]
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: perttime on March 05, 2016, 05:46:53 PM
Did the embargoed ex-Pakistani ones also get converted and designated F-16N?
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 06, 2016, 03:34:45 AM
Did the embargoed ex-Pakistani ones also get converted and designated F-16N?

I don't believe so.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: apophenia on March 06, 2016, 03:37:05 AM
Did the embargoed ex-Pakistani ones also get converted and designated F-16N?


They seem to retain their F-16A and F-16B designations ... as well as their M61A1s (which were removed on F-16Ns).
http://www.navy.mil/navydata/fact_display.asp?cid=1100&tid=1150&ct=1 (http://www.navy.mil/navydata/fact_display.asp?cid=1100&tid=1150&ct=1)

BTW: Wikipedia lists those USN F-16A/Bs as 'F-16C/D' models (which were actually delivered to Pakistan in 2010).
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: leptiprince on March 11, 2016, 06:46:05 PM
(http://i84.servimg.com/u/f84/18/51/85/19/img_9412.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/18518519/448)
(http://i84.servimg.com/u/f84/18/51/85/19/img_9411.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/18518519/442)
(http://i84.servimg.com/u/f84/18/51/85/19/img_0024.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/18518519/443)
(http://i84.servimg.com/u/f84/18/51/85/19/img_0023.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/18518519/444)
(http://i84.servimg.com/u/f84/18/51/85/19/img_0025.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/18518519/447)
(http://i84.servimg.com/u/f84/18/51/85/19/img_0115.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/18518519/446)
(http://i84.servimg.com/u/f84/18/51/85/19/img_0114.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/18518519/445)


Look another files...http://www.figthingfalcon.eu/index.html (http://www.figthingfalcon.eu/index.html)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 12, 2016, 04:39:39 AM
Very nice work on all.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: finsrin on March 12, 2016, 06:12:24 AM
These builds are toooo good :-*
Again drives home reminder I can'r knit either :icon_sueno:
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Volkodav on March 13, 2016, 04:25:56 PM
Bundesmarine Eurofalcon! Cool!
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: leptiprince on May 20, 2016, 09:58:24 PM
More inspiration: http://www.figthingfalcon.eu/index.html (http://www.figthingfalcon.eu/index.html)

(http://i86.servimg.com/u/f86/18/51/85/19/img_9348.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/18518519/740)
(http://i86.servimg.com/u/f86/18/51/85/19/img_9349.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/18518519/741)

(http://i86.servimg.com/u/f86/18/51/85/19/dioram29.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/18518519/732)
(http://i86.servimg.com/u/f86/18/51/85/19/dioram30.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/18518519/733)

(http://i86.servimg.com/u/f86/18/51/85/19/img_9346.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/18518519/734)
(http://i86.servimg.com/u/f86/18/51/85/19/img_9417.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/18518519/737)
(http://i86.servimg.com/u/f86/18/51/85/19/dioram31.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/18518519/738)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 21, 2016, 05:41:44 AM
Some nice work there - what scale?
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Rickshaw on May 21, 2016, 12:14:04 PM
Some nice work there - what scale?

I'd guess the one and true scale, Greg.   1/72!   ;)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: leptiprince on June 04, 2016, 04:15:04 AM
Show must go on

(http://i86.servimg.com/u/f86/18/51/85/19/img_9443.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/18518519/826)
(http://i86.servimg.com/u/f86/18/51/85/19/img_9442.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/18518519/822)
(http://i86.servimg.com/u/f86/18/51/85/19/img_9360.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/18518519/825)
(http://i86.servimg.com/u/f86/18/51/85/19/img_9359.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/18518519/824)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 26, 2016, 05:54:11 AM
Inspiration for twin tailed F-16:

(http://wiki.scramble.nl/images/7/72/Cunningham6.jpg)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Daryl J. on June 26, 2016, 08:58:20 AM
Oh yeah!
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: leptiprince on July 20, 2016, 03:36:20 PM
Yes ist a good idea. I works in

(http://i35.servimg.com/u/f35/18/51/85/19/img_9811.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/18518519/915)

(http://i35.servimg.com/u/f35/18/51/85/19/img_9810.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/18518519/914)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on October 09, 2016, 03:48:07 AM
Quite an attractive scheme:

(http://pix.avaxnews.com/avaxnews/3e/ca/0003ca3e.jpeg)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: AXOR on October 09, 2016, 04:59:08 PM
Yeah,these birds have arrived at their new home for a week already
A top view from Monte Real with Romanian markings still covered https://www.flickr.com/photos/paulofernandes-oneshootland/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/paulofernandes-oneshootland/)

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5025/29870274666_5b9f9a785c_b.jpg)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on December 08, 2016, 03:49:11 PM
Dedicated RF-16 anyone:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/RF16_zpsqjucqaoi.jpg)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: The Big Gimper on December 08, 2016, 08:19:41 PM
Yes please.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: ysi_maniac on October 31, 2017, 12:19:58 PM
Stretched F-16 with F-4 wings and tail planes (below is RW F-16 for comparison).

(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/PhantomPhalcon03.jpg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/PhantomPhalcon03.jpg.html)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: finsrin on October 31, 2017, 01:58:25 PM
Interesting series of drawings, photos, models to study.
Am sure someone here (not me) could build model of stretched F-16.  Do like it. :smiley:
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: ScranJ51 on November 01, 2017, 06:51:30 PM
How about some Aussie F-16's?

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4470/37649315421_6477e453ac_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ZmWzMX)F-16A-r-2 (https://flic.kr/p/ZmWzMX) by David Freeman (https://www.flickr.com/photos/153018533@N06/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4450/23795484388_8aa3cd37b4_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/CfJ5ud)F-16C-79-03 (https://flic.kr/p/CfJ5ud) by David Freeman (https://www.flickr.com/photos/153018533@N06/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4455/37599616306_1558cb78f9_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ZhxRYE)F-16C-76-01 (https://flic.kr/p/ZhxRYE) by David Freeman (https://www.flickr.com/photos/153018533@N06/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4514/37649122481_631554edf9_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ZmVArp)F-16CJ-01 (https://flic.kr/p/ZmVArp) by David Freeman (https://www.flickr.com/photos/153018533@N06/), on Flickr


More to follow when I finish my Alternative ADF builds

 8)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Volkodav on November 01, 2017, 07:58:31 PM
Nice
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on November 02, 2017, 07:07:49 AM
Indeed :smiley:
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: ysi_maniac on November 03, 2017, 01:17:14 AM
Some alternatives to integrate F-4 and F-16

(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/PhantomPhalcon01.jpg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/PhantomPhalcon01.jpg.html)
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/PhantomPhalcon02.jpg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/PhantomPhalcon02.jpg.html)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 30, 2018, 03:28:29 AM
(http://www.clavework-graphics.co.uk/aircraft/fantasy_5/F423_F16C_Croatia.jpg)

Now to become reality (though probably not in Clave's cool scheme):

Quote
Croatia Set to Buy Aging Israeli Fighter Jets In $500 Million Deal
(Source: Times of Israel; posted March 28, 2018, 1:

ZAGREB, Croatia --- Croatia is set to buy a squadron of F-16 fighter jets from Israel to modernize its military, after the country’s top defense body backed the deal.

Zagreb launched a tender offer last year to acquire military jets to replace its outdated Russian-made MiG-21s.

Apart from Israel, the countries invited to submit bids included Greece, South Korea, Sweden and the United States.

“The defense council… has accepted that Israel made the best offer and gave a recommendation to the government to decide on acquiring” the Israeli planes, the defense council said in statement late Tuesday.

The deal to buy 12 already used F-16 jets, worth $500 million according to media reports, has yet to be confirmed by the government, but the approval is believed to be just a formality.

“It is a historic decision… a project guaranteeing Croatia’s security and sovereignty,” Defense Minister Damir Krsticevic told the state-run HR radio Wednesday.

The minister has said he expected the first jets to arrive in 2020, and the remaining ones by 2022.

Top Croatian officials have voiced concern over the condition of the country’s MiG-21s. Media reports said that only four of the 12 were fully operational.

Croatia joined NATO in 2009 and the European Union four years later.

-ends-
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: The Big Gimper on June 24, 2018, 07:48:17 PM
F-16XL profiles from John Lacey.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1785/42980864871_39a8781b66_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28u5aGk)
RCAF-CF-166XL-02 (https://flic.kr/p/28u5aGk) by Big Gimper (https://www.flickr.com/photos/21812089@N02/), on Flickr

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1770/42980864981_e115d3c43b_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28u5aJe)
RCAF-CF-166XL-01 (https://flic.kr/p/28u5aJe) by Big Gimper (https://www.flickr.com/photos/21812089@N02/), on Flickr

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1770/42079434985_1eb03b17bb_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/277q6ZK)
RDAF-CF-166XL-02 (https://flic.kr/p/277q6ZK) by Big Gimper (https://www.flickr.com/photos/21812089@N02/), on Flickr
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on December 30, 2018, 05:52:07 AM
(https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/attachments/iiaf-jpg.98549/)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 12, 2019, 02:10:27 AM
Looks like the Croatian F-16 mentioned above goes back to the whiffverse...

Quote
Israel fighter jet sale to Croatia fails after US objections
By Darko Bandic | AP
January 10 at 2:47 PM

ZAGREB, Croatia — Israel has failed to overcome U.S. objections to its plan to sell 12 used fighter jets to Croatia and the $500 million deal will likely be canceled, Croatia’s defense minister said Thursday.

Israel reached a tentative deal with Croatia in March for the sale of the upgraded F-16 Barak fighters, pending U.S. approval that would allow the American-made technology to be purchased by a third party.

Croatian Defense Minister Damir Krsticevic said after meeting with Israeli defense officials in Zagreb on Thursday that “despite accepted obligations,” Israel failed to obtain the needed consent and his ministry “will propose to the government to make appropriate decisions.”

The deal ran into trouble after Washington said that Israel needed to strip off the upgrades that were added after Israel took delivery of the aircraft from the United States some 30 years ago.

The sophisticated electronics and radar systems were crucial in Croatia’s decision to buy the F-16s from Israel instead of from the U.S. or Greece, which also bid for the contract.

Relations between the Trump administration and Israel have been very close, particularly on defense issues. But the sale of the jets to Croatia appears to be an exception. U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu met earlier this month but didn’t agree on a way to end the impasse.

The director-general of the Israeli Defense Ministry, Udi Adam, traveled to Croatia on Thursday in an apparent attempt to save the deal.

He said Croatia will not suffer financial consequences because of the failed deal, which was to be its largest single military purchase since it split from the Yugoslav federation in a bloody war in the 1990s.

He said at a joint media conference with the Croatian defense minister that “sadly, the conditions were not right (for finalizing the deal) because of the circumstances that were beyond our control.”

Israel is trying to get rid of its aging F-16s that will be replaced which more modern F-35 fighters.

Last week, Croatian Defense Minister Krsticevic said Israel provided “pre-guarantees” during the bidding process that U.S. officials would green-light the sale. The problems in carrying out the deal have brought calls for Krsticevic’s resignation.

NATO member Croatia faces a mini arms race with Russian ally Serbia, which recently received six used Russian MiG-29 fighter jets.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: dy031101 on March 28, 2019, 01:29:42 PM
Despite the fact that Taiwan ultimately got F100-powered F-16, the F-16/79 has always occupied a special place in my heart.

I have a 1/48 F-16A ADF kit, replacement engine part, and F-104 decal sheet intended for a conversion (that I unfortunately never got to start) meant with a slightly-upgraded armament suite of four Python-4s and two Sparrows.

(I was overly optimistic with useable space of my house back then...... my house did grow bigger, but so did the amount of stuff procured by my family :( )
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: ysi_maniac on July 08, 2019, 05:26:18 AM
Nose intake, radarless simple F-16

(https://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/Simple_F16.jpeg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/Simple_F16.jpeg.html)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Old Wombat on July 08, 2019, 10:38:51 AM
Nose intake, radarless simple F-16

([url]https://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/Simple_F16.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/Simple_F16.jpeg.html[/url])


Neat! Cut-price export version. :smiley:
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: perttime on July 09, 2019, 12:52:11 AM
Nose intake, radarless simple F-16

That is cool. I just wonder if there's enough space to get the intake duct past the pilot.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 09, 2019, 05:16:57 AM
Closer to the original F-16 concept of a simple light weight fighter.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: perttime on July 09, 2019, 02:47:54 PM
And more like the early MiG-21, when they were still good looking.
I think F-16 started in an era when you needed to have something that lets you see BVR.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 10, 2019, 03:51:04 AM
I think F-16 started in an era when you needed to have something that lets you see BVR.

If you look into the history of the F-16 and especially the lightweight Advanced Day Fighter (ADF) and Light Weight Fighter (LWF) programs that led to it, you will see that they were looking for something focussed originally on daytime dogfighting, with only minimal avionics being provided.  For instance, the YF-16 was closer to this when you compare to later production variants:

(https://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/GTwiner045/F709693E-4E46-4CBB-9E2D-E7CFD6E61D9B_zpswxangdz7.jpeg)
(https://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/GTwiner045/A4393972-2706-4368-8F61-4D580CB13F20_zpsocxfjfws.jpeg)

The below shows some of the changes made when making the F-16A let alone the later versions:

(https://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/GTwiner045/86F5F0CF-82C2-4238-80CC-F7DEBC983764_zpslhjifh92.png)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: perttime on July 12, 2019, 09:05:32 PM
Nobody bought it without radar.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 13, 2019, 04:27:55 AM
Nobody bought it without radar.


Was anyone offered?

Maybe a simplified radar arrangement akin to the Mirage 5/50:

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/90/62/98/906298d61c27219e9bd66f4b36cbb083.jpg)

Or even the F-100:

(http://aviadejavu.ru/Images6/AN/AN85-5/19-1.jpg)

Basically, creat a WVR dogfighter F-16 without BVR or similar.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: M.A.D on July 13, 2019, 09:29:04 PM
I think F-16 started in an era when you needed to have something that lets you see BVR.

If you look into the history of the F-16 and especially the lightweight Advanced Day Fighter (ADF) and Light Weight Fighter (LWF) programs that led to it, you will see that they were looking for something focussed originally on daytime dogfighting, with only minimal avionics being provided.  For instance, the YF-16 was closer to this when you compare to later production variants:

I think the LWF RfP originally only called for a ranging radar, a 20mm M61 and two Aim-9's 😯

MAD
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: ysi_maniac on August 09, 2019, 07:59:28 AM
Crossing F-104 and F-16

(https://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/F-104_F-16.jpg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/F-104_F-16.jpg.html)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: finsrin on August 09, 2019, 02:10:43 PM
Surprising how well tail change combos work.  Great pics !
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: taiidantomcat on March 03, 2020, 12:05:30 AM
(https://siivet.fi/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/F-35-Lightning-HX-hanke-HX-Challenge-202002-3.jpg)

 :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: elmayerle on March 03, 2020, 03:14:35 AM
I wouldn't say the noise level was comparable.  Where I live I get to hear F-16s, F/A-18s, and F-35s and the F-35's engine is definitely the loudest by far; though the comparability might be in burner, all trigger car alarms when taking off with afterburners going.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: sanka on March 03, 2020, 03:52:10 AM
I wouldn't say the noise level was comparable.  Where I live I get to hear F-16s, F/A-18s, and F-35s and the F-35's engine is definitely the loudest by far; though the comparability might be in burner, all trigger car alarms when taking off with afterburners going.


The F-35 at least doubles the racket of the F-16. American Air bases done some measerments..

The Nellis EIS, reported the F-35 at minimum (cruising) power at 1,000 feet was 103 db, and the F16 at 89 db (a 14 db difference).
The Burlington Vermont EIS, reports that the F-35 produces 115 db at ground level, on take-off, while the F-16 produces 94 db (a 21 db difference).

http://www.citizensforalivableboise.org/news/-5-f-35-noise-studies-show-the-f-35-is-much-louder-than-the-f-16-and-a-10 (http://www.citizensforalivableboise.org/news/-5-f-35-noise-studies-show-the-f-35-is-much-louder-than-the-f-16-and-a-10)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: kitnut617 on March 03, 2020, 04:09:08 AM
I wouldn't say the noise level was comparable.  Where I live I get to hear F-16s, F/A-18s, and F-35s and the F-35's engine is definitely the loudest by far; though the comparability might be in burner, all trigger car alarms when taking off with afterburners going.


The F-35 at least doubles the racket of the F-16. American Air bases done some measerments..

The Nellis EIS, reported the F-35 at minimum (cruising) power at 1,000 feet was 103 db, and the F16 at 89 db (a 14 db difference).
The Burlington Vermont EIS, reports that the F-35 produces 115 db at ground level, on take-off, while the F-16 produces 94 db (a 21 db difference).

[url]http://www.citizensforalivableboise.org/news/-5-f-35-noise-studies-show-the-f-35-is-much-louder-than-the-f-16-and-a-10[/url] ([url]http://www.citizensforalivableboise.org/news/-5-f-35-noise-studies-show-the-f-35-is-much-louder-than-the-f-16-and-a-10[/url])


Well the engine is 1 1/2 times more powerful, why would it be quieter ?
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: ChernayaAkula on March 03, 2020, 06:49:55 AM
(https://siivet.fi/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/F-35-Lightning-HX-hanke-HX-Challenge-202002-3.jpg)

 :-* :-* :-*

4th Gen looks like a twin-engined, twin-tailed Viper with canards - cool!  8)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: taiidantomcat on March 04, 2020, 12:15:44 AM

4th Gen looks like a twin-engined, twin-tailed Viper with canards - cool!  8)

Exactly  :-*
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 04, 2020, 02:57:05 AM
I see F-16 merged with Typhoon and F/A-18
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: sanka on March 04, 2020, 04:03:39 AM
Well the engine is 1 1/2 times more powerful, why would it be quieter ?

About 20 jears of development past the F-100, and they can't make the bloody thing (F-135) a bit less noisy???
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: taiidantomcat on March 04, 2020, 06:02:01 AM
Well the engine is 1 1/2 times more powerful, why would it be quieter ?


About 20 jears of development past the F-100, and they can't make the bloody thing (F-135) a bit less noisy???


Rather than renew F-35 vs the world Round 58,762, I really posted that because it was a neato F-16 variant I thought people would be interested in and put it in the F-16 thread for that reason. We have a place for F-35 complaining:

http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=349.0 (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=349.0)

Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: kitnut617 on March 04, 2020, 06:31:49 AM
Well the engine is 1 1/2 times more powerful, why would it be quieter ?

About 20 jears of development past the F-100, and they can't make the bloody thing (F-135) a bit less noisy???

And how are you going to do that ?
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 05, 2020, 02:10:58 AM
F100-PW-200   F135-PW-100
Length: 191 inches (490 cm)
Diameter: 46.5 inches (118 cm)
Dry weight: 3,234 pounds (1,467 kg)
Max thrust: 23,930 lbf (106.4 kN
   Length: 220 in (559 cm)
Diameter: 46 in (117 cm)
Dry weight: 3,750 lb (1,701 kg)
Max Thrust:  43,000 lbf (191 kN)
      <--- ~14% increase
   <--- ~1% decrease
   <--- ~16% increase
   <--- ~79.5% increase!!!

If it wasn't for a massive amount of work over the last 20 odd years the engine should be even louder when you consider the power increase compared to other elements.


Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: tankmodeler on March 06, 2020, 01:43:36 AM
Well the engine is 1 1/2 times more powerful, why would it be quieter ?

About 20 jears of development past the F-100, and they can't make the bloody thing (F-135) a bit less noisy???
You can absolutely make jet engines quieter today than 20 years ago.

It just takes mass and volume away from payload for sound suppression systems. That's OK, right?

On the assumption that this is not OK for a combat aircraft, the issue is that, fundamentally, low bypass turbofans generate more noise per Newton of thrust than quieter high bypass turbofans and less noise than pure turbojets.

Some of the efficiency losses in all gas turbines is lost in noise. Pure turbojets are aerodynamically inefficient and are faaaar noiser than any turbofan, while low bypass turbofans are more noisy than high bypass turbofans (a byproduct of the higher fuel efficiency of the high bypass fans). You need a low bypass fan because the frontal area and fan tip speed of the high bypass fans limit maximum speed. So, for supersonic aircraft with moderate efficiency you are stuck with a low bypass fan, in which case you are stuck with a certain level of noise.

The new GE variable cycle engine that increases fan ratio at lower speeds will probably be quieter for a given low speed thrust as it is more efficient and loses less energy to noise at the slightly higher bypass ratio. Won't be a lot, but it should be quieter.

Of course, that's on straight military or dry power. As soon as you kick in the afterburners, the efficiency goes into the toilet and a huge amount of energy gets wasted as noise, so don't expect a reduction in take-off noise even on the variable cycle engines.

Here endeth the lesson.  :smiley:

Paul
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: perttime on March 06, 2020, 03:11:57 PM
http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=349.0 (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=349.0)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 10, 2020, 03:17:21 AM
(https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/upload/iblock/83d/gripen1.jpg)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 10, 2020, 03:58:49 AM
(https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/upload/iblock/e57/cover.jpg)
(https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/upload/iblock/6db/Screen_191008_021003.jpg)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 10, 2020, 04:17:43 AM
(https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/upload/iblock/0e2/RAF%204.jpg)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 11, 2020, 03:36:53 AM
(https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/upload/iblock/5a9/Screen_191010_165105.png)
(https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/upload/iblock/2de/3.png)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 11, 2020, 04:23:11 AM
(https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/upload/iblock/417/2.jpg)
(https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/upload/iblock/ecc/3.jpg)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 11, 2020, 04:28:02 AM
(https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/upload/iblock/367/Capture4.JPG)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Volkodav on April 11, 2020, 08:36:01 PM
Iranian F-16s were a very very close thing to reality.

As were Iranian S Class Frigates, Invincible Class Carriers, Sea Harriers etc.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 13, 2020, 04:30:35 AM
(https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/upload/iblock/9b9/Screen_191121_203038.png)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 13, 2020, 04:38:52 AM
(https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/upload/iblock/342/Screen_00.jpg)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Old Wombat on April 13, 2020, 09:58:36 AM
(https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/upload/iblock/9b9/Screen_191121_203038.png)

Something like this may find its way onto my RAAF F-16. ;)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on April 13, 2020, 10:07:54 AM
F-16XL-1 and F-16XL-2 with the conformal fuel tanks and the hump on the spine. 
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: kitnut617 on April 13, 2020, 09:57:22 PM
I've been restoring my old Airfix F-16 into a AF-16. I'd already given it a SEA camo years ago, but I found I had some of the strengthened u/c legs from another kit. So those got installed and the wheels will follow soon. Just need to find some black markings for it.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 14, 2020, 02:55:00 AM
F-16XL-1 and F-16XL-2 with the conformal fuel tanks and the hump on the spine.

Quite doable
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: ChernayaAkula on April 14, 2020, 08:02:17 AM
I've been restoring my old Airfix F-16 into a AF-16. <...>

Really like the triple Maverick launcher.  :smiley:
The F-16 sure looks good in those colours.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Kerick on April 14, 2020, 08:38:13 AM
F-16XL-1 and F-16XL-2 with the conformal fuel tanks and the hump on the spine.

It’s on my list. I have the Monogram XL kit and the Hasegawa Sufa kit to combine.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on April 14, 2020, 02:41:47 PM
F-16XL-1 and F-16XL-2 with the conformal fuel tanks and the hump on the spine.
It’s on my list. I have the Monogram XL kit and the Hasegawa Sufa kit to combine.
Good to hear!  I was checking fit of the spine from one of my 1:48 Italeri F-16 kits and it looks like it should be an easy adaptation.  Have to dig out the conformal fuel tanks I have stashed away to see how those will work.  I think the XL is a bit longer than the standard F-16 so there may be a need to lengthen the conformal tanks to make the things fit. 
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: dams301 on April 14, 2020, 03:34:13 PM
As far as I can remember, the XL is longer than a regular F-16 so you will have to lenghten the spine and CFT. But once finished, it looks really good:

(https://www.themodelingdutchman.com/On_Display/OD_F-16E/OD_F-16E_01_full.jpg)

More pics here: https://www.themodelingdutchman.com/on_display_jets_f-16E.html (https://www.themodelingdutchman.com/on_display_jets_f-16E.html)

I remember of another build base on the 2-seat variant and with spine+CFT but I can't find it back :icon_crap:
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Kerick on April 15, 2020, 12:50:07 AM
I have a couple of the older Hasegawa kits that came with single seat and two seat parts so I could do a two seater.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 15, 2020, 04:07:21 AM
How long before decals for this scheme come out I wonder: 

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ydbC_zAHvOI/XruHPp7kcSI/AAAAAAAATWE/LF4P4nD9uO8-bfpEjk4PxKcElcgXryDeACLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/F-16_Demo_Team_Venom1.jpg)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-DjbJq0l8R60/XruHP-IazCI/AAAAAAAATWI/E6F1vZGAJboN0G16V3nyzOso6tWP8E0YQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/F-16_Demo_Team_Venom2.jpg)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-7BgKwRlzKCs/XruHP6eagtI/AAAAAAAATWM/UBb4ASvcJ5kJS3o4EkOoUI5huEQVDtevQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/F-16_Demo_Team_Venom3.jpg)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-uhL6YTv2DjE/XruHRaAO8aI/AAAAAAAATWY/CI_b59TbUNUFh8Jx1RZPD9gj0R26WVPagCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/F-16_Demo_Team_Venom5.jpg)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-B34UyrYYrYg/XruHRAyxMEI/AAAAAAAATWU/2BrkYC8Ka60lg4ke8hXWn9ln8v66xA6WwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/F-16_Demo_Team_Venom6.jpg)
(https://i0.wp.com/theaviationist.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Venom-F-16-demo-team-1.jpg?ssl=1)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Story on September 19, 2020, 09:35:30 AM
TXAFNG "Ace in the Hole"
(https://media.defense.gov/2007/Nov/23/2000427719/-1/-1/0/071123-F-9876D-111.JPG)

from
https://taskandpurpose.com/mandatory-fun/air-force-birthday-f-16-paint-job
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: elmayerle on September 19, 2020, 12:29:54 PM
TXAFNG "Ace in the Hole"
(https://media.defense.gov/2007/Nov/23/2000427719/-1/-1/0/071123-F-9876D-111.JPG)

from
https://taskandpurpose.com/mandatory-fun/air-force-birthday-f-16-paint-job
Hasegawa did a boxing with those markings as well as there being aftermarket decals available.  Sadly, the 111th now flies drones.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on September 27, 2020, 03:51:37 AM
Almost was...

(https://combatace.com/uploads/gallery/album_683/gallery_59028_683_331983.jpg)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on September 28, 2020, 03:08:31 AM
Taking it further:

(https://combatace.com/uploads/gallery/album_683/gallery_59028_683_164781.jpg)
(https://combatace.com/uploads/gallery/album_683/gallery_59028_683_220087.jpg)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 31, 2021, 03:53:27 AM
(https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/upload/iblock/e57/cover.jpg)
(https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/upload/iblock/6db/Screen_191008_021003.jpg)

Taking this idea further, what if in 1976, the Canadian government instead of acquiring Canadair Ltd. from General Dynamics, manages a deal whereby they will invest in Canadair so long as General Dynamics agrees to establish an F-16 production line in Canada, possibly as a follow on to the CF-5 production. At this stage the F-16 was only just getting started so that General Dynamics might welcome the funding/early export win.  The RCAF would then have a new fighter some 5 yrs or so earlier.  There could also be potential export sales.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: M.A.D on January 31, 2021, 02:53:53 PM
As far as I can remember, the XL is longer than a regular F-16 so you will have to lenghten the spine and CFT. But once finished, it looks really good:

(https://www.themodelingdutchman.com/On_Display/OD_F-16E/OD_F-16E_01_full.jpg)

More pics here: https://www.themodelingdutchman.com/on_display_jets_f-16E.html (https://www.themodelingdutchman.com/on_display_jets_f-16E.html)

I remember of another build base on the 2-seat variant and with spine+CFT but I can't find it back :icon_crap:
Beautiful work!
Beautiful model!!👍😯

MAD
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: perttime on January 31, 2021, 04:41:59 PM
As far as I can remember, the XL is longer than a regular F-16 ....


"Less noticeable is that the fuselage was lengthened by 56 in (1.4 m) by the addition of two sections at the joints of the main fuselage sub-assemblies. With the new wing design, the tail section had to be canted up 3°, and the ventral fins removed, to prevent them from striking the pavement during takeoff and landing. However, as the F-16XL exhibits greater stability than the native F-16, these changes were not detrimental to the handling of the aircraft. "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Dynamics_F-16XL (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Dynamics_F-16XL)

More details:
https://www.f-16.net/f-16_versions_article1.html (https://www.f-16.net/f-16_versions_article1.html)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 02, 2021, 01:33:44 AM
(https://combatace.com/applications/downloads/interface/legacy/screenshot.php?path=/monthly_2019_11/Screen_191115_091438.png.6ce0efb32710e088b1cafe95d5995b38.png)
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Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: apophenia on April 02, 2021, 03:15:11 AM
Taking this idea further, what if in 1976, the Canadian government instead of acquiring Canadair Ltd. from General Dynamics, manages a deal whereby they will invest in Canadair so long as General Dynamics agrees to establish an F-16 production line in Canada, possibly as a follow on to the CF-5 production. At this stage the F-16 was only just getting started so that General Dynamics might welcome the funding/early export win.  The RCAF would then have a new fighter some 5 yrs or so earlier.  There could also be potential export sales.

That's very clever. RW, General Dynamics bought Gulfstream in 1999. They gain two decades in the bizjet business by buying Canadair. BTW, a high CL-26x corporate designation would be about right for 1976.

So, Canadair builds 'CF-16As' at Cartierville. Perhaps GD supplies some components - especially the rarer 2-seat 'CF-16B' forward fuselage sections. Meanwhile, P&WC assembles JTF22 engines (F100s) at Longueuil?

With F100s being made in Canada, maybe the 'CF-16' replaces the CF-104 in Europe and both the Starfighter and CF-5A in Canada? And then those Longueuil-assembled also go into the 'CF-15s' that replace the Voodoos?  >:D
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: elmayerle on April 02, 2021, 10:42:21 AM
I like the way you're thinking there.  It makes a good lead-in to both CF-16 and CF-15 models.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: ysi_maniac on April 12, 2021, 09:00:35 AM
Combining F-16 and F-20

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/F16_F20_1.jpeg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/ysi_maniac/a/caec78e4-057f-4fe9-82f4-083a43455765/p/45594a49-2ca2-4bad-8256-a9ac66bcef6b)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 25, 2021, 02:28:08 AM
One Carl pointed me towards:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ezn8XAFWUAAQv2g?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: perttime on April 25, 2021, 03:09:17 PM
One Carl pointed me towards:
...
Oh....
That looks good. Mitsubishi F-2 turned into canard configuration.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: dy031101 on May 01, 2021, 02:18:30 AM
If so, what about snagging some of the early F-16As now in storage at Davis-Monthan AFB? Not as capable as the ROCAF Vipers but wouldn't have any trouble catching up with an H-6! And if pilots are in short supply, start up the AVG again  ;)

Can't say I don't like the idea.  How would the operating cost be compared to the F-16V?
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: apophenia on May 01, 2021, 03:21:08 AM
Can't say I don't like the idea.  How would the operating cost be compared to the F-16V?

No clue but many have questioned the usefulness of general CPFH figures as a means of comparison. A decade ago, the operating cost bandied about for the F-16 was around USD 7,000 per hour. Of course, aging airframes means more intensive pre-flight prep and more frequents repairs.

Of operational and maintenance costs, I'd guess that the latter is more important ... especially with older airframes. Consumable costs would be roughly the same between 'slick' F-16As and more kitted-out F-16Vs.

Were it me, I'd regard the F-16As as direct replacements for your F-5Es. Think of the 'As as glorified LIFTs being used to fill in (and train) on intercept missions. I said 'slick' because you basically need to catch up to the H-6s and wave your AIM-9s at them. If you insist on carrying a proper wartime load-out - AIM-120s, ECM pods, etc. - you drive your operating costs up.

So, horse for courses. In this case, something fast enough to cope with intercepting Y-8s and H-6s. Armed to show you mean business ... in a way that a bizjet cannot (no pun intended). Here, you're trying for a plausible deterrent rather than a truly effective war fighter. (If you want the latter, just splash out for more F-16Vs.) The 'legacy model' F-16 gives you an ideal trainer and deterrence intecepter in one.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: dy031101 on May 01, 2021, 04:08:01 AM
Were it me, I'd regard the F-16As as direct replacements for your F-5Es. Think of the 'As as glorified LIFTs being used to fill in (and train) on intercept missions. I said 'slick' because you basically need to catch up to the H-6s and wave your AIM-9s at them.


I don't know if it'd make sense, but this makes me once again start thinking of an F-16 version of the F-5AT (https://tacticalairsupport.com/airplanes/northrop-f-5/) aggressor upgrade (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=1696.msg181385#msg181385).
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: apophenia on May 01, 2021, 08:18:56 AM
I don't know if it'd make sense, but this makes me once again start thinking of an F-16 version of the F-5AT ([url]https://tacticalairsupport.com/airplanes/northrop-f-5/[/url]) aggressor upgrade ([url]http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=1696.msg181385#msg181385[/url]).


I was kind of arguing for an F-16A downgrade. Take on 'refreshed' F-16As from Davis-Monthan and make their primary role advanced FLIT. However,  the same radar and AAMs that make them useful FLIT would also make these stripped-down F-16As good fill-ins for intercept ... not as ideal, modernized fighters, just way better than bizjets  ;)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: dy031101 on May 01, 2021, 01:16:07 PM
I was kind of arguing for an F-16A downgrade. Take on 'refreshed' F-16As from Davis-Monthan and make their primary role advanced FLIT. However,  the same radar and AAMs that make them useful FLIT would also make these stripped-down F-16As good fill-ins for intercept ... not as ideal, modernized fighters, just way better than bizjets  ;)

No, I guess I chose the word "upgrade" without underlining how it applies here.  I mentioned the F-5AT because its modifications as I understand them are meant to deal with obsolescence/supportability rather than to introduce any actual combat capability that the baseline F-5E doesn't already have (unlike the F-5EM, for example).  Its ability to represent advanced adversaries is largely a matter of simulation.

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Also another question: is it practical to replace the tailfin root fairing below the rudder?  As in installing a drag chute compartment into an F-16 that originally doesn't have one?

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: perttime on May 01, 2021, 01:52:54 PM
If so, what about snagging some of the early F-16As now in storage at Davis-Monthan AFB? Not as capable as the ROCAF Vipers but wouldn't have any trouble catching up with an H-6! And if pilots are in short supply, start up the AVG again  ;)

Can't say I don't like the idea.  How would the operating cost be compared to the F-16V?
How much life is there left in those F-16A airframes?
Were they retired because something better was available, or because the airframes were too tired for economical refurbishment?
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 03, 2021, 03:29:49 AM
Who says F-16s only appear in grey?

(https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/attachments/f-16-jpg.486000/)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: apophenia on May 04, 2021, 07:18:22 AM
How much life is there left in those F-16A airframes?
Were they retired because something better was available, or because the airframes were too tired for economical refurbishment?

Good questions. Even Taiwan's older Block 20 F-16As are more advanced than those stored earlier-Block F-16As. And, yes, additional, fully combat-capable F-16Vs would be much more desirable. Taipei has the money to go that route. The critical question is whether Xi will grant them the time to get through FMS approval process, new-airframe construction time, etc.

Here, we've been talking about a quickly-available air-intercept deterrent. I'm arguing that even early-model F-16A - appropriately stripped down to only that specialist role - can perform the interception role better than any kitted-up business jet (old or new). And those F-16As would be available to Taiwan much quicker than any new-build fighters.

Currently, the US seems motivated to push back against Beijing. That could translate into quick FMS approval for minimally tarted-up 'As. (Considering their anti-CPC rhetoric, Republicans in Congress would have a hard time saying 'no' to this request.) Taiwan gets interceptors quickly and, I'm betting, with more hours remaining on their airframes than the ROCAF's existing F-5E fleet.

When the time comes, leave the hard fighting to the Block 20s and 'Vs. Meanwhile plough even more hours onto those older Davis-Monthan airframes - as both LIFT and pure interceptors. Both roles serve to reduce Block 20 and F-16V flight-time (and, you could argue, 'cold war' intercepts are a natural extension of LIFT anyway). Alternatively, Taipei can gamble that they've got plenty of time to order up something shiny-new and ideal ...
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 05, 2021, 01:38:56 AM
Taiwan might be better placed to ask for AV-8Bs and/or try to get F-35Bs given most active military air bases (and even suitable sized stretches of road) have presumably been pre-targetted by Chinese missiles (non-nuclear but ballistic and otherwise) and thus would presumably expect to be taken out within the first minutes of any potential conflict.  Even hardened hangers and the like are no use if your runways are useless.  Personally, if I were planning Taiwan's defences, I would be after the following:

Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: apophenia on May 05, 2021, 05:51:48 AM
Agreed. If/when it comes to war-fighting, dispersed Harriers would be a great fit. I know that the Marines are dragging out AV-8B retirement until 2030 (at least, incrementally). But maybe the Biden Admin is motivated enough to nudge the Corps into giving up some Harrier IIs early?

On the F-35Bs, that word 'try' worries me. Taipei might as well get the parade started (ditto for mobile ABMs and SAMs) but, how long before it actually bears fruit?

As for finding "a way to work together with China", I'd suggest that means complying with whatever whim is currently being presented as 'Xi Jinping Thought'  :P
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: dy031101 on May 05, 2021, 12:54:45 PM
Taiwan might be better placed to ask for AV-8Bs and/or try to get F-35Bs given most active military air bases (and even suitable sized stretches of road) have presumably been pre-targetted by Chinese missiles (non-nuclear but ballistic and otherwise) and thus would presumably expect to be taken out within the first minutes of any potential conflict.  Even hardened hangers and the like are no use if your runways are useless.  Personally, if I were planning Taiwan's defences, I would be after the following......
Agreed. If/when it comes to war-fighting, dispersed Harriers would be a great fit. I know that the Marines are dragging out AV-8B retirement until 2030 (at least, incrementally). But maybe the Biden Admin is motivated enough to nudge the Corps into giving up some Harrier IIs early?

On the F-35Bs, that word 'try' worries me. Taipei might as well get the parade started (ditto for mobile ABMs and SAMs) but, how long before it actually bears fruit?

Without this growing into a long and angry political rant, I'll just say these:

What Taiwan has access to largely depends on who dominates the decision-making process in the current administration of the US.  I don't trust Biden or his State Department posse to clear anything too flexible (i.e. the F-35B, which is inherently more capable of operating from dispersed locations or even ships with sufficiently-large, heat-resistant flight decks).  I can see more Patriot batteries or at most certain components (such as radars for installation on locally-designed frigates) from them, but that's about it.

An alternative is to expand highways for actually serving as dispersal airfields rather than just emergency landing strips.  I don't expect it to be popular with the welfare-state-obsessed Taiwanese population, either......

As for finding "a way to work together with China", I'd suggest that means complying with whatever whim is currently being presented as 'Xi Jinping Thought'  :P

The thing is that even though there isn't going to be a peaceful resolution so long as the CCP is in charge of Mainland China, it's better to find some way to mingle with the Mainlander common populace and generate some sympathy there.  The CCP will forcefully mobilize their citizenry, sure, but Taiwan should still try to make any future war as unpopular with the Mainlanders as possible.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Geoff on May 05, 2021, 07:31:13 PM
How much life is there left in those F-16A airframes?
Were they retired because something better was available, or because the airframes were too tired for economical refurbishment?

Good questions. Even Taiwan's older Block 20 F-16As are more advanced than those stored earlier-Block F-16As. And, yes, additional, fully combat-capable F-16Vs would be much more desirable. Taipei has the money to go that route. The critical question is whether Xi will grant them the time to get through FMS approval process, new-airframe construction time, etc.

Here, we've been talking about a quickly-available air-intercept deterrent. I'm arguing that even early-model F-16A - appropriately stripped down to only that specialist role - can perform the interception role better than any kitted-up business jet (old or new). And those F-16As would be available to Taiwan much quicker than any new-build fighters.

Currently, the US seems motivated to push back against Beijing. That could translate into quick FMS approval for minimally tarted-up 'As. (Considering their anti-CPC rhetoric, Republicans in Congress would have a hard time saying 'no' to this request.) Taiwan gets interceptors quickly and, I'm betting, with more hours remaining on their airframes than the ROCAF's existing F-5E fleet.

When the time comes, leave the hard fighting to the Block 20s and 'Vs. Meanwhile plough even more hours onto those older Davis-Monthan airframes - as both LIFT and pure interceptors. Both roles serve to reduce Block 20 and F-16V flight-time (and, you could argue, 'cold war' intercepts are a natural extension of LIFT anyway). Alternatively, Taipei can gamble that they've got plenty of time to order up something shiny-new and ideal ...

I might not have understood the conversation - but would not ex ANG F-16ADF's be a good fit in the short term, and at a reasonable cost?
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: apophenia on May 06, 2021, 07:53:30 AM
... would not ex ANG F-16ADF's be a good fit in the short term, and at a reasonable cost?

To my mind, a perfect fit Geoff  :smiley:

A skim through F-16.net's airframe lists tells me that F-16A Blocks 15C-through-'15N* with ADF upgrades have all been at the AMARG bone yard. Are they still there? Who know?

Boeing has been busily turning older 'As into QF-16 targets. So, any motivated foreign governments will probably want to make their FMS requests sharpish.
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* As far as I can tell, the RTAF got F-16A Block 15N and '15P ADFs (I don't any of the latter listed at AMARG).

Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Geoff on May 06, 2021, 06:39:52 PM
Had a look at ANG units and only found one unit referring to the ADF (Ok Wikipedia, yes I know) and that had the . m going out of service in '94. So only used for 4 years or so. I suspect they are in the boneyard. However the AMI leased 34 ADFs from 2003 to around 2010, so still a theoretical Wif. That is the name of the game after all.

Edit - Sorry just re read your post and as you say in the boneyard.  :-[
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Geoff on May 10, 2021, 12:32:06 AM
Am thinking of doing an F-16A MLU of the USAF they never operated them
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Geoff on May 23, 2021, 12:02:47 AM
Just a thought but if the PRC built Spey engined  -16s I am assuming the small intake would be big enough? Asking as the Spey engined F-4s needed bigger intakes.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: dy031101 on November 30, 2021, 05:14:47 PM
Just a thought but if the PRC built Spey engined  -16s I am assuming the small intake would be big enough? Asking as the Spey engined F-4s needed bigger intakes.

Perhaps.  The F-16/79 in fact had to adopt an even smaller intake than the stock F100-powered models.  The Spey-powered Phantom has 20%-larger intakes than the stock Phantoms.

The Spey Mk.202 seems heavier but both more-powerful and having a higher thrust-to-weight ratio than the J79.  It also doesn't run as hot as the J79 although I have no idea how that compares to the F100.  Maybe the engine heat shield can be dispensed with?

A PLA F-16 would be in competition against the Shenyang J-11 (the old one, that can be thought of as a Sino Mirage F1) and the 601 Institute's J-13 (which, incidentally, looks like a F-16 from certain angles)...... a Spey-powered F-16 would likely end up assigned to Xian for production alongside the Spey engine.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: dy031101 on December 05, 2021, 05:46:52 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/BR9kEAm.png)

I quickly mocked up my thought on the idea of a Spey-powered F-16 in FD Scale for future completion.

Any comment or suggestion on the engine installation would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on December 06, 2021, 01:16:35 AM
Given the JH-7 uses the WS-9 Qinling licensed copy of the Spey, one could possibly use it as inspiration for nozzle etc:

(https://i-com.cdn.gaijin.net/monthly_2020_01/1170517711_2-JH-7DIAGRAM.jpg.6d6c026e66d230cb556f11d9e9b3f98c.jpg)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: ysi_maniac on February 13, 2022, 04:47:02 AM
What if IAI offers a totally new advanced Kfir to Argentina to give it reasonable air combat ability?

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/Kfir-C79(1).jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/ysi_maniac/a/caec78e4-057f-4fe9-82f4-083a43455765/p/5646a792-7fa5-4338-b981-ebcf40b11f39)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Geoff on February 14, 2022, 01:42:13 AM
Just a thought but if the PRC built Spey engined  -16s I am assuming the small intake would be big enough? Asking as the Spey engined F-4s needed bigger intakes.

Perhaps.  The F-16/79 in fact had to adopt an even smaller intake than the stock F100-powered models.  The Spey-powered Phantom has 20%-larger intakes than the stock Phantoms.

The Spey Mk.202 seems heavier but both more-powerful and having a higher thrust-to-weight ratio than the J79.  It also doesn't run as hot as the J79 although I have no idea how that compares to the F100.  Maybe the engine heat shield can be dispensed with?

A PLA F-16 would be in competition against the Shenyang J-11 (the old one, that can be thought of as a Sino Mirage F1) and the 601 Institute's J-13 (which, incidentally, looks like a F-16 from certain angles)...... a Spey-powered F-16 would likely end up assigned to Xian for production alongside the Spey engine.

Thank you
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 31, 2022, 02:18:02 AM
(https://combatace.com/applications/core/interface/imageproxy/imageproxy.php?img=https://i.imgur.com/U6CbVJV.jpg&key=3244d44e49b2bd436d01e9e3687395aa56a464f270d5a709ee3fb54b9d0217c4)
(https://combatace.com/applications/core/interface/imageproxy/imageproxy.php?img=https://i.imgur.com/WDS1wVg.jpg&key=238aea06fef27c88364946bf460df688496baee206024dae5d6cf78f8b5e66a7)

CFBVs
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Old Wombat on March 31, 2022, 09:03:39 AM
Soon? ???
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 03, 2022, 04:13:24 AM
Technically its a F-2 but still:

(http://[img]https://combatace.com/uploads/monthly_2021_11/large.img00009.png.6e740104a200e88a71dc1e25382ac93b.png)
(https://combatace.com/uploads/monthly_2021_11/large.img00010.png.8f0cf79817c9031dcbbabeeae34f1840.png)
(https://combatace.com/uploads/monthly_2021_11/large.img00011.png.69f4c4c0f88c60cead5947c39ea755b3.png)
(https://combatace.com/uploads/monthly_2021_11/large.img00012.png.d6d57384246fdc8f95521c2a94f14594.png)[/img]
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Old Wombat on July 03, 2022, 08:59:46 AM
 8)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: ysi_maniac on August 05, 2022, 03:13:43 PM
Swedish Falcon. WWWWOOOAAA!  :-* :-*
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: dy031101 on November 26, 2022, 12:33:20 PM
An illustration of the F-16/79 for the ROCAF on a Taiwanese news article.

I think this was given to Taiwanese press by General Dynamics because most Taiwanese reference of the prelude to the development of the F-CK-1 claimed that a F-16/79 prototype was painted with ROC roundels.  The wording was as if there were more than one F-16/79 prototype, which was not what happened.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on November 27, 2022, 12:25:33 AM
Nice find.  The F-16/79 is one I would like to model some day.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: apophenia on November 27, 2022, 06:35:29 AM
Swedish Falcon...

'Backfill' for when the Flygvapnet transfers some of its JAS 39 Gripen Cs to Ukraine?
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 13, 2023, 03:02:50 AM
Real world marketing attempts:

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e68/GTwiner/scan0004-2_edited-1.jpg)
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e68/GTwiner/CF16.jpg)

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e68/GTwiner/RSAF_b.jpg)
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e68/GTwiner/RSAF.jpg)
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e68/GTwiner/RSAF_a.jpg)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Geoff on February 13, 2023, 06:46:31 AM
Irish Air Corps second hand Benelux/Nordic F-16MLUs for air policing role?
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Kelmola on February 13, 2023, 10:09:23 PM
The CF-16 proposal seems to have included the tangential Sparrow launch rails from the Vought Model 1600/1601/1602 naval proposal (presumably so that it could be better sold as an interceptor). Though, when in use they would block the now-standard setup of LANTIRN/Sniper pods and/or HARM Targeting System pod on the intake "cheek" stations. Of course these would not be needed in interception/air superiority role, but would be still interesting to know whether the Sparrow launchers were designed to be a fixed setup (thus limiting the CF-16's potential in the strike role) or if they could have been switched out as necessary.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: The Big Gimper on February 14, 2023, 01:46:51 AM
Real world marketing attempts:

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e68/GTwiner/scan0004-2_edited-1.jpg)


I built this one (Otaki 1/48) in 1978 while in Air Cadets.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: dy031101 on February 14, 2023, 04:12:12 PM
Though, when in use they would block the now-standard setup of LANTIRN/Sniper pods and/or HARM Targeting System pod on the intake "cheek" stations.

Presumably the targeting pods can be carried on the Sparrow launchers à la the Hornet.  A more-immediate issue is that carrying Sparrow missiles this way might interfere with the inner most underwing hardpoints, especially when the main landing gear bay doors are at their open positions.  Unless GD introduced a variant of Vought 1600 wings with two hardpoints each as well
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 15, 2023, 02:01:52 AM

I built this one (Otaki 1/48) in 1978 while in Air Cadets.

Did they have F-16s that far back in time?? ;)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 16, 2023, 03:01:18 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fo11TPwXoAEIrCA?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: dy031101 on February 19, 2023, 01:56:12 AM
Size comparison. Left to Right: F-16, Vought Model 1600, Vought Model 1601

(https://i.imgur.com/M5Vlcy5.png)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: dy031101 on February 19, 2023, 02:13:26 AM
I just found out that there is a ready template (https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/545474-f-16ajbj-a-possible-solution/) for the 4-Sparrow F-16.

Wing hardpoints seem to also be moved outboard a little though not to the magnitude of the Vought derivatives, and still three hardpoints under each wing.

(https://i.imgur.com/0DDwwQO.png)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 19, 2023, 03:45:35 AM
(https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/upload/iblock/fca/0p7r2cha5zskcb01y1s5vmztmghr4blv/F16.jpg)

CFBV
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: Mig Eater on July 26, 2023, 04:59:12 AM
The Japanese movie Patlabor 2 features a Stealth F-16 called the Night Falcon. The film's main plot line revolves around a group of Japanese & American military officers carrying out false flag operations in Japan in order to shock the Japanese out of their national pacifism & boost the defense industry. An American Stealth F-16 is used in a terrorist attack, footage of the attack is leaked to the media but is edited to make it look like a normal Japanese F-16 to stir up panic, later on in the film the unedited video footage is reviled showing off this angular Stealth version. A 1/144 model kit of the Night Falcon was released a few years ago, but I would love to see one in 1/72 or 1/48 scale.

(https://64.media.tumblr.com/9e7f9dd490b61465d96345acc0fafa78/tumblr_psf669Nr6s1y8vsuro3_1280.jpg)

(https://64.media.tumblr.com/f93769b8f30e8ab2127dee7a7a194556/tumblr_psf669Nr6s1y8vsuro4_1280.jpg)

(https://www.hlj.com/productimages/hma/hma75750_12.jpg)

(https://www.1999.co.jp/itbig74/10749311b.jpg)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: apophenia on July 26, 2023, 06:24:35 AM
The Japanese movie Patlabor 2 features a Stealth F-16 called the Night Falcon...

Nice! On the stealth side, though, this Night Falcon would really benefit from a Diverterless Supersonic Inlet (DSI).
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: elmayerle on July 26, 2023, 11:05:54 AM
The Japanese movie Patlabor 2 features a Stealth F-16 called the Night Falcon...

Nice! On the stealth side, though, this Night Falcon would really benefit from a Diverterless Supersonic Inlet (DSI).
Heartily agree.  I  may well fit that to my kit of that aircraft.
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: The Big Gimper on August 26, 2023, 11:15:50 PM
Do you want a great big heavily illustrated FREE book on the F-16XL?

Tony Landis has just released "General Dynamics F-16XL Dual Role Fighter: An Illustrated History."

It is available as a PDF here:

https://wss.apan.org/public/AFMC-History-Office/Shared%20Documents/F-16XL%20Book_Final-web%20(1).pdf

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F4dW7v9WsAAbwrm?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 27, 2024, 03:13:56 AM
Argentina has officially signed the Letter of Intent to purchase 24x F-16A/B Block 15 MLUs + 1x Block 10 from Denmark.  So look for new markings soon