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Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21 Fishbed
« on: February 23, 2012, 12:09:52 PM »
No thread for the venerable Fishbed yet? Sacrilege!  >:(

How about a third prototype of the Ye-8, with an intake much like the F-107's?
Still elated at the news of a 1/72 injection-moulded kit of the Ye-8 (CLICK), then seeing JoseFern's F-8V (CLICK), my brain connected the dots in a rather haphazard way (it skipped a few, but - hey - all whiffers' brains do that!) and came up with this:

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Re: Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21 Fishbed
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2012, 02:45:08 PM »
Faceplate wings rather than Fishbed wings throughout the entire series.   :)
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Re: Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21 Fishbed
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2012, 04:38:46 PM »
That one looks great Moritz. :)
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Re: Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21 Fishbed
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2012, 11:41:12 AM »
Production Ye-8 with MiG-21SMT or Mig-21Bis spine, F-7E wings, and the engine and countermeasures upgrades of the MiG-21-93 (used one MiG-29 engine).  Do the same starting with the F-7 variant with the F8U-style nose intake.

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Re: Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21 Fishbed
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2012, 06:55:15 AM »
Hi folks,

As the most-produced supersonic jet aircraft in aviation history and the most-produced combat aircraft since the Korean War, and it had the longest production run of a combat aircraft (1959 to 1985 over all variants), the MiG-21 should certainly provide some inspiration for you.  So let's hear your ideas.

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Re: Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21 Fishbed
« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2012, 06:58:15 AM »
As a start, has anyone considered converting one of Eduard's new 1/48 MiG-21 kits into an operational Ye-2?



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Re: Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21 Fishbed
« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2012, 09:02:23 AM »
I was going to ask if Ye-7PD could be what-ifed into a carrier aircraft for industries with no access to catapults or thrust-vectoring engine tech, but then I heard that its slow-speed handling is so bad that its test pilot had to activate the afterburner just to land the thing......
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Re: Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21 Fishbed
« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2012, 09:33:39 AM »
I was going to ask if Ye-7PD could be what-ifed into a carrier aircraft for industries with no access to catapults or thrust-vectoring engine tech, but then I heard that its slow-speed handling is so bad that its test pilot had to activate the afterburner just to land the thing......

Maybe in the whiff verse, those aspects were overcome?
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Re: Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21 Fishbed
« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2012, 09:37:11 AM »
Maybe also for the carrier version one could give it a VG wing ala the Su-17?
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Re: Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21 Fishbed
« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2012, 11:03:28 AM »
The YE-2 is exactly what I hope to do with Eduard's F-13 variant when it comes out.   Notice the vertical stab is quite a bit thinner in chord on the MiG-21F than it is on the F-13's.   
Perhaps a swing-wing MF.
I love the ogival winged Tu-144 test aircraft as well featured a number of years ago in Fine Scale Modeler.    That would look great on the MF & bis as well.
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Re: Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21 Fishbed
« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2012, 11:08:51 AM »
Modify the Ye-2 wing along the lines of the SU-7 to Su-17 conversion?

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Re: Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21 Fishbed
« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2012, 11:33:16 AM »
I'm looking to combine the Ye-8 with a MiG-21-93 variation of thr MiG-21Bis.  It also occurs to me that the wing of the MiG-21Analog would look good on a YE-8.

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Re: Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21 Fishbed
« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2012, 04:46:08 PM »
I've had the idea for a long time to make a two engined version in the style of the EE Lightning; I'd likely go from an MF or Bis if I ever tried it.

So many people have said the Lightning looked like a MiG-21 that had swallowed another engine.
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Re: Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21 Fishbed
« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2012, 10:46:25 PM »
Maybe in the whiff verse, those aspects were overcome?

How did the liftjets contribute to the bad slow-speed handling of the Ye-7PD though?

I know that dedicated liftjets are deadweights inflight, but is it weight alone that made the aircraft such a beast?

Granted, a more-powerful main engine would probably be in order either way, since navalization would likely add weights as well.
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Re: Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21 Fishbed
« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2012, 03:36:37 AM »
Maybe a bit of inspiration of the MiG-21 variety from my recent trip to the USAF museum.



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Re: Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21 Fishbed
« Reply #15 on: April 23, 2012, 04:41:44 AM »
I've wanted to do both a Finn and a Czech early variant with the Ye-2 wing. 
Both in full camouflage.

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Re: Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21 Fishbed
« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2012, 12:18:56 PM »
Maybe in the whiff verse, those aspects were overcome?

How did the liftjets contribute to the bad slow-speed handling of the Ye-7PD though?

I know that dedicated liftjets are deadweights inflight, but is it weight alone that made the aircraft such a beast?

Granted, a more-powerful main engine would probably be in order either way, since navalization would likely add weights as well.
If I had to guess, I'd reckon that the exhausts from the lift engines had adverse effects on flow around the wing as well as causing flow distortions around the fuselage that would cause stability and control problems below a certain airspreed.  This isn't taking into account, of course, how much their addition might have skewed the weight and balance unfavorably by moving the cg out of the acceptable range.

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Re: Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21 Fishbed
« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2012, 08:02:03 PM »
If I had to guess, I'd reckon that the exhausts from the lift engines had adverse effects on flow around the wing as well as causing flow distortions around the fuselage that would cause stability and control problems below a certain airspreed.

I wonder what that tube-like thing running along the lower forward starboard fuselage is...... otherwise I indeed don't see any strake or other exhaust deflection device.
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Re: Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21 Fishbed
« Reply #18 on: April 26, 2012, 03:16:14 AM »
I would suspect it is just a tube covering electrical conduits or similar.
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Re: Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21 Fishbed
« Reply #19 on: April 26, 2012, 03:40:50 AM »
In addition to the later version of the MiG-21,  have always had a soft spot for the MiG Ye-8

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Re: Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21 Fishbed
« Reply #20 on: April 26, 2012, 04:01:01 AM »
Don't we all.  Has anyone ever released a kit or conversion for it...in 1/48?  I know you can get it in 1/72.
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Re: Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21 Fishbed
« Reply #21 on: April 26, 2012, 08:28:15 AM »
Greg: I thought you had an 'in' with Omega  ;D Can't you get them to do one?

HiKit did a 1/48 resin Ye-8. One just came up on LTD Cars auction but it's a gawd-awful site to browse!
http://www.ltd-cars.com/auction-p1-v32/other_d774.htm

DIY 1/48 Ye-8 conversion of Academy MiG-21PF:
http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/rh/articles.php?id=13764

Anybody know of Ye-8 plastic kits other than the following?

1/48th Scale
Hi-Kit - resin [# ??]

1/72nd Scale
Airmodell - vac/resin AM-099
ART Model - short-run styrene ART 7209 E-8/2 [June 2012 release]
 -- ART Model also do the MiG-23PD, ART 7208
Omega - resin Ye-8/1 ('Je-8/1') 72493 (1st prototype)
Omega - resin Ye-8 (E-8) 72168 (USSR)
Omega - resin 'CF-111' 72488 (USSR, Japan, Canada)
Omega - resin 'CF-111' 72489 (USSR, Belgium, Denmark)
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Re: Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21 Fishbed
« Reply #22 on: April 26, 2012, 11:30:59 AM »
I wonder what that tube-like thing running along the lower forward starboard fuselage is...... otherwise I indeed don't see any strake or other exhaust deflection device.
Since it's an experimental, I'd hazard a guess that they ran out of internal space to route something through.  There's no deflection device as the engines are fixed at a certain cant.

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Re: Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21 Fishbed
« Reply #23 on: April 26, 2012, 06:20:10 PM »
Greg: I thought you had an 'in' with Omega  ;D Can't you get them to do one?

HiKit did a 1/48 resin Ye-8. One just came up on LTD Cars auction but it's a gawd-awful site to browse!
http://www.ltd-cars.com/auction-p1-v32/other_d774.htm



Well, yes Omega have produced some in 1/72 based on the Ye-8s in the Canadian MiGs story.  I have one of those.

I am keen on the 1/48 one...I can't find the one in your link though.
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« Reply #24 on: April 27, 2012, 06:02:56 AM »
I am keen on the 1/48 one...I can't find the one in your link though.

Nope, neither can I  ???  "Hey, let's start an auction site and then make sure no-one can search it."
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