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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #275 on: April 19, 2021, 07:47:27 AM »
ISTR that the NAA proposal was more for an executive (obviously a valuable one) transport.

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #276 on: April 19, 2021, 08:53:16 PM »
Thanks Evan ---  :smiley:

I remembered I have an Air Model TF-86 conversion too, which is just the forward fuselage from the nose to the rear of the extended cockpit, might be a better option as I would have to taper the rear fuselage to a point anyway and seems a waste of a good vacuform to use the complete fuselage Falcon set.

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #277 on: April 20, 2021, 01:46:55 AM »
One could also cannibalise a Saberliner kit here.
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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #278 on: January 03, 2022, 02:34:43 AM »
Interesting tidbit:  in the early '50s there was a push by CAC for licensed production of the CAC Avon Sabre in Italy.  eventually the Italians went for the Canadair CL-13 Sabre Mk.4 instead.
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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #279 on: January 03, 2022, 07:49:15 PM »
Interesting tidbit:  int he early '50s there was a push by CAC for licensed production of the CAC Avon Sabre in Italy.  eventually the Italians went for the Canadair CL-13 Sabre Mk.4 instead.

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #280 on: January 04, 2022, 02:33:48 AM »
There's not a lot of info but it appears that interest was in mid 1953 and was related to Italian interest in locally producing the Sabre.  They were not interested in the J47 version and where interested in the Avon engined version.  It appress that interest was shown by the Italians and an enquiry made regarding technical details but that they were told that this had to be done at the Govt-to-Govt level and then it seemed to break down. 

There was also some interest from both Canada and the UK in procuring Avon Sabres - alas the Canadians went on to produce their own, more conventional Sabre and also provided them for the RAF and others...

Likewise the Indian Air Force also expressed some interest in 1954.  The Indians apparently initially wanted to go direct to NAA but because NAA was focussed upon the F-100 they redirected the Indians to CAC.  The Indian High Commissioner to Australia even visited CAC a number of times but then in the end of 1954 it all stopped with the Indians eventually getting Hawker Hunters instead.
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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #281 on: January 04, 2022, 04:33:48 AM »
There's not a lot of info but it appears that interest was in mid 1953 and was related to Italian interest in locally producing the Sabre.  They were not interested in the J47 version and where interested in the Avon engined version.

Seems odd as on 16 May 1953 an agreement was reached setting up Fiat license production
of the J47 engined F-86K.
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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #282 on: January 05, 2022, 12:59:17 AM »
There's not a lot of info but it appears that interest was in mid 1953 and was related to Italian interest in locally producing the Sabre.  They were not interested in the J47 version and where interested in the Avon engined version.

Seems odd as on 16 May 1953 an agreement was reached setting up Fiat license production
of the J47 engined F-86K.

It was in the lead up to and then in the aftermath of that.  I suspect the Italians were looking at multiple options and possibly getting info from all around including from NAA.
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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #283 on: January 06, 2022, 02:50:18 AM »
Some further interesting tidbits - all coming from here: 



Further CAC Avon Sabre developments investigated:

  • Fitment of RR Avon RA-14 engine of 9,500 lbf (42.26 kN) vs normal RA-26 version of 7,500 lbf (33 kN) thrust
  • Fitment of 4 x 30mm cannon instead of 2 x 30mm cannon
  • Fitment of Napier NRE17 external rocket engine which provided 2,250 lbs thrust
  • Fitment of in-flight refuelling with two drop tanks (one of 100 gal and one of 166 gal) per side with the larger tanks having refuelling probes thus necessitating 2 contacts to refuel completely.  This was potentially to be used in conjunction with a EE Canberra tanker
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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #284 on: January 06, 2022, 10:54:39 AM »
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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #285 on: January 06, 2022, 12:46:38 PM »
CAC CA-4 / CAC CA-11 Woomera: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAC_Woomera
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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #286 on: January 07, 2022, 12:25:20 AM »
CA-11 to be precise.  Here's a bigger image - it was painted by the author, Keith:



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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #287 on: January 16, 2022, 02:21:32 AM »


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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #288 on: January 16, 2022, 08:34:51 PM »
There's not a lot of info but it appears that interest was in mid 1953 and was related to Italian interest in locally producing the Sabre.  They were not interested in the J47 version and where interested in the Avon engined version.  It appress that interest was shown by the Italians and an enquiry made regarding technical details but that they were told that this had to be done at the Govt-to-Govt level and then it seemed to break down. 

There was also some interest from both Canada and the UK in procuring Avon Sabres - alas the Canadians went on to produce their own, more conventional Sabre and also provided them for the RAF and others...

Likewise the Indian Air Force also expressed some interest in 1954.  The Indians apparently initially wanted to go direct to NAA but because NAA was focussed upon the F-100 they redirected the Indians to CAC.  The Indian High Commissioner to Australia even visited CAC a number of times but then in the end of 1954 it all stopped with the Indians eventually getting Hawker Hunters instead.

Thank you Greg, that is intreging!🤔

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