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M24 Chaffee
« on: January 23, 2012, 08:23:07 PM »
Now that there are three M24 Chaffee kits available with varying levels of accuracy and detail there might be a need to discuss ideas for this subject.  The family of vehicles based on the M24 (T24) Chaffee family of vehicles includes several motorized gun carriages, cargo carriers, high-speed tractors and a tracked recovery vehicle. 


(Click to view article at Wikipedia.  Image source D. Miller/Wikipedia)

On track link there is a model of an M24 Chaffee converted to the Norwegian NM-130 Armored Recovery Vehicle built by Kwan Lam (Unable to hot-link image due to Mr. Owen's reluctance to share bandwidth)

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Wikipedia - M24 Chaffee
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Re: M24 Chaffee
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2012, 09:09:23 PM »
T.24 trialled with German suspension unit

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Re: M24 Chaffee
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2012, 07:39:48 AM »
Beginning of Bridge at Remagen movie has great shots of M24s.

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Re: M24 Chaffee
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2012, 08:52:04 AM »
The French put Chaffee turrets on 150 AMX hulls for use in Algeria.

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Re: M24 Chaffee
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2012, 12:39:17 PM »


The M24 turret was also mounted on the hull of the M38(T28) Wolfhound six-wheeled armored car,
to test the stability of the chassis while firing a 75mm gun. Due to the difference in turret ring diameter
an adaptor ring was bolted to the M38, and the M24 turret was bolted to the adaptor ring. The turret
was fixed in position.

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Re: M24 Chaffee
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2012, 05:03:14 AM »
Maybe a couple of simple user changes:

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For something more substantial, maybe one converted to use early anti-tank missiles?
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Re: M24 Chaffee
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2012, 09:51:33 AM »
There was also the experimental quad RCL armed variants (both 75mm & 105mm).

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Re: M24 Chaffee
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2013, 02:01:53 AM »
The French put Chaffee turrets on 150 AMX hulls for use in Algeria.

http://www.chars-francais.net/new/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1255


Okay, what to do with all the left-over AMX-13 turrets? Easy! Put them on the left-over Chaffee hulls!  ;D

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Re: M24 Chaffee
« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2013, 10:31:51 AM »
Maybe a couple of simple user changes:

  • Australia
  • New Zealand
  • USSR

For something more substantial, maybe one converted to use early anti-tank missiles?

The Australian Army trialled an M24 at the end of WWII, along with an M4 Sherman.  They found the M24 was too light for use in Jungle and the M4 while suitable, offered no real advantage over the M3 Grant/Lees they were already operating.  Instead they opted for the Churchill, receiving 200 just post war.   

I've always wondered where the 200 went.  They seem to have been disposed off when the Centurions arrived, after having been placed almost immediately into storage when they arrived themselves.   Scrapping them would have been a monster of a job, cutting up six-inch thick armour isn't something most scrap yards could do then.

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Re: M24 Chaffee
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2013, 10:53:25 AM »
Instead they opted for the Churchill, receiving 200 just post war.   

I've always wondered where the 200 went.  They seem to have been disposed off when the Centurions arrived

At least one ended up in the Nthn Territory .... "a turretless, armourless Churchill was being used to tow a 9 yard scraper" -- someone on a military site found bits in a NT scrapyard along with parts of Grants & Stuarts.

I wonder where the ones used by Iraq came from ?

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Re: M24 Chaffee
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2013, 01:08:02 PM »
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Re: M24 Chaffee
« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2013, 05:49:57 PM »
My understanding was that the post war structure of the RAAC was to have been 1 tank division of 3 tank brigades, each consisting of 5 tank regiments and a brigade support unit/regiment including mech/motorised infantry and self propelled artillery(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeramba).  The first brigade was to have been regular army and equipped with Centurions and the remaining two brigades were to be reserve (Citizen Military Forces) and equipped with Comets.  Needless to say it didn't happen and in fact came nowhere near. 

Assuming it did go ahead I imagine there would have been a case to make one of the tank regiments in each brigade a reconnaissance unit that logically could have been equipped with either armoured cars and/or light tanks.  It is very easy to imagine M-24s in this case.

Interestingly the RAAC also trialled single Sheridan in 1968.

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Re: M24 Chaffee
« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2013, 07:24:31 AM »
Okay, what to do with all the left-over AMX-13 turrets? Easy! Put them on the left-over Chaffee hulls!  ;D

Nice! Kitting-bashing parts swaps don't get any simpler than that  :)
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Re: M24 Chaffee
« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2013, 03:23:21 PM »
I'm thinking that the turret on the LVT is looking mighty fine !!!  Does anyone know anything about them ,at all ?  I'm thinking I'm hearing one calling my name already !!!
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Re: M24 Chaffee
« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2013, 06:44:16 AM »
I'm thinking that the turret on the LVT is looking mighty fine !!!  Does anyone know anything about them ,at all ?  I'm thinking I'm hearing one calling my name already !!!


From what I can remember reading about them,they had trouble swimming due to the weight.  Best Value Models has a kit of it. They are out of France.

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Re: M24 Chaffee
« Reply #15 on: February 16, 2013, 10:23:07 PM »
I think I saw a RVN M-113 with a Chaffee turret on it once.

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Re: M24 Chaffee
« Reply #16 on: February 17, 2013, 10:59:20 AM »
I think I saw a RVN M-113 with a Chaffee turret on it once.


The ROC did do this. However they found they were too top heavy to swim and so abandoned the idea.





And someone has even made a model of one:






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Re: M24 Chaffee
« Reply #17 on: February 17, 2013, 12:31:21 PM »
wonder why they had to raise the rear hull roofline?

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Re: M24 Chaffee
« Reply #18 on: February 17, 2013, 02:10:59 PM »
I think you'll find they lowered the hull top under the turret.  The rear hull looks to be normal height, whereas the front looks lower - the hinge for the engine service hatch is closer to the hull top than normal.  I think the model is incorrect.  The engine exhaust in the rear hull top (the "heightened section"), which tends to indicate that is where the engine is.

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Re: M24 Chaffee
« Reply #19 on: October 12, 2013, 03:14:55 PM »
How about an M24 armed with a 57mm/6 pounder instead of the 75mm?  While it might not be practical for fighting tanks larger than the M24 it might make an excellent infantry fire support vehicle where larger caliber 75mm high explosive could pose a possible danger to the supported troops.  Another benefit to the smaller caliber weapon would be an increase in ammunition carried on board the vehicle.  The subtle change in gun tube size would certainly catch some folks off guard :)
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Re: M24 Chaffee
« Reply #20 on: October 12, 2013, 03:39:32 PM »
M24 armed with a 57mm.  Nice :)
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Re: M24 Chaffee
« Reply #21 on: October 12, 2013, 04:19:31 PM »
I think you'll find they lowered the hull top under the turret.  The rear hull looks to be normal height, whereas the front looks lower - the hinge for the engine service hatch is closer to the hull top than normal.  I think the model is incorrect.  The engine exhaust in the rear hull top (the "heightened section"), which tends to indicate that is where the engine is.

Interesting I wonder how they managed that with all the cooling arrangements under the engine cover

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Re: M24 Chaffee
« Reply #22 on: October 13, 2013, 05:04:39 AM »
How about an M24 armed with a 57mm/6 pounder instead of the 75mm?  While it might not be practical for fighting tanks larger than the M24 it might make an excellent infantry fire support vehicle where larger caliber 75mm high explosive could pose a possible danger to the supported troops.  Another benefit to the smaller caliber weapon would be an increase in ammunition carried on board the vehicle.  The subtle change in gun tube size would certainly catch some folks off guard :)

That and from what I have read,the 6 pounder had better armor penetration than the U.S. 75 mm cannons.
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Re: M24 Chaffee
« Reply #23 on: October 13, 2013, 07:48:49 AM »
How about a 57mm Molins gun armed Tank Destroyer?

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Re: M24 Chaffee
« Reply #24 on: October 13, 2013, 08:12:22 AM »
I think you'll find they lowered the hull top under the turret.  The rear hull looks to be normal height, whereas the front looks lower - the hinge for the engine service hatch is closer to the hull top than normal.  I think the model is incorrect.  The engine exhaust in the rear hull top (the "heightened section"), which tends to indicate that is where the engine is.

Interesting I wonder how they managed that with all the cooling arrangements under the engine cover

I'd say they were all relocated when the engine was moved.  I suspect the engine was moved to improve weight distribution.  The M24 turret would pay hell with it, if it wasn't moved.