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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #50 on: August 07, 2012, 02:20:28 AM »
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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #52 on: September 07, 2012, 12:01:27 AM »
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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #53 on: September 29, 2012, 12:03:12 AM »
Early flat profile canopy, flat wing, slightly stretched fuselage behind the main wing, slightly reduced tail empennage with subtle recontouring.    Not quite a F-4A, not quite the Super Demon.

Ogival main wing, vertical stab.
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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #54 on: December 25, 2012, 12:37:29 PM »
FAR148 has recently completed his RCAF Phantom FGR.4 (RR Spey powered F-4G Wild Weasel) and has shared his WIP and images at the following links:

Aircraft Resource Center ------>  Royal Canadian Air Force F-4 Phantom FGR.4

What if Modelers ------> Royal Canadian Air Force F-4 Phantom FGR.4

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #55 on: December 25, 2012, 02:06:36 PM »
It's a jaw dropper isn't it. :) :D
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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #56 on: December 25, 2012, 02:52:03 PM »
Interesting changes and profile fittings.
All right on as realistic configurations.  :)
To pick a favorite -- its the single seat.

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #57 on: January 08, 2013, 09:44:52 AM »
Looks to be very much based upon this one Richard did a while back:

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #58 on: February 25, 2013, 05:09:53 AM »
Confession: I'm Scandanavian and enjoy my Norse Rival's splinter scheme even if red with white and bue trim are better than blue and yellow.   With those two cliches expressed. I'd love to do a reconnaissance Phantom in Swedish splinter.   But include as an update some sort of pod-based recce electronica that exceeds some of the Hughes developed equipment for the U-2R/S.   Scandanavians are like that if given a chance.  ;D

So the question:  which was more maneuverable?   Slotted or unslotted stabilizers? 

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #59 on: February 25, 2013, 05:16:52 AM »
Why not go the whole Hog Rhino with a Swedish RF-4E(S):

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #60 on: February 25, 2013, 05:41:19 AM »
Didn't Cutting Cheddar do a Peace Jack nose Conversion once upon a time?   I'd hate to think of the cost of that resin bit on eBay!  :icon_crap:

Since the Luftwaffe got the RF-4E, the B model is under consideration for their neighborly Scandihooves.
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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #61 on: February 25, 2013, 05:49:29 AM »
RF-4E(S) conversions in both 1/72 and 1/48 here.  I have never ordered from them though and can only assume they still operate.
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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #62 on: February 25, 2013, 09:58:00 AM »
Enhanced recce Spey-Phantom with a late RF nose and with a full electronic recce pod from the RAF's recce pod.  Could also work with a Peace jack nose.
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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #63 on: February 25, 2013, 10:03:38 AM »
I'm thinking of a Spey-powered naval Phantom with the nose, radar, and other EW-related gears of the F-4G Wild Weasel......

The problem is that the result probably won't fit into the deck lift of RN carriers; but then again, I'm thinking Ace Combat, and every country in Ace Combat has supercarriers......  ;D

The only question left for me in this regard, then, is the centreline hardpoint.  It's not rigid enough to grant the use of a gunpod with accuracy.  Does it have more to do with the pylon or a weakness with the fuselage?
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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #64 on: February 25, 2013, 10:11:29 AM »
*laughs* I've got the bits in hand for the recce-Spey Phantom.  My EF-4G bits are going on an EF-15E Wild Weasel using the faired nose sensor aerodynamically tested on 71-0283, one of the FSD birds (Soaring Eagles has good pics of it as well as 71-0291 in Peak Eagle markings and equipment fit - yet another mod to properly show in operational markings).

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #65 on: February 26, 2013, 12:45:53 PM »
Suggestions for a very high speed recce Phantom circa 1975-1990 anyone?    It's a continuation of the Swedish Phantom in Splinter.  :-*.   

And no, I do not want the highly revised F-4X intakes. 
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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #66 on: February 26, 2013, 07:03:13 PM »
Maybe add a rocket booster either in the tail or in belly pod?
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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #67 on: February 26, 2013, 11:40:25 PM »
Booster rocket in conformal tanks?  Either one over each engine or one large or two small in a conformal belly tank.  For the conformal belly tank, I'd recommend one large one on the centerline with enough of an angle on the nozzle to keep the thrust vector near the CG.  The over-engine ones would likely need some trimming surfaces (canards) to counter the nose-down pitching moment they would generate.

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #68 on: March 30, 2013, 02:54:07 PM »
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Use Hasegawa's Showtime 100 single piece canopy kit.  Right where the radome hooks on, add a 1/4-1/2 inch extension for the camera bay.   It would look a bit like a Peace Jack nose, but rounded instead of prominently beveled.    It would fool Phantom Phans I'm sure.    ;D

It's the Phantom project I hope to start after the Swedish recce machine just getting started.
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Edit:  Take the project a couple steps further and hang 3 gun pods beneath and put into service with Khemed. 
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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #69 on: April 01, 2013, 03:12:10 PM »
Booster rocket in conformal tanks?  Either one over each engine or one large or two small in a conformal belly tank.  For the conformal belly tank, I'd recommend one large one on the centerline with enough of an angle on the nozzle to keep the thrust vector near the CG.  The over-engine ones would likely need some trimming surfaces (canards) to counter the nose-down pitching moment they would generate.

Why not go the whole Rhino (yes, I stole that) & go with both options? One rocket booster over each engine & two small boosters in a conformal belly pod. That way you don't need to worry about thrust-line variables, just about whether the pilot can remain concious with all that acceleration. ;)

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #70 on: June 10, 2013, 08:34:59 AM »
Revert to the single seat attack variant.   The inboard wing pylons sport long range anti-shipping missiles beneath and a late model AIM-9 on the outboard side.   Some Sparrow alternative or guidance system carried under the fuselage.   
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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #71 on: June 16, 2013, 09:29:12 AM »
Was the short nose Phantom able to carry three gun pods along with the usual two wing tanks and some Sidewinders?  Another weapons possibility for the long nose version is a pair of modified Japanese ASM-2s, but in Hellenic markings or some such.
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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #72 on: June 16, 2013, 11:16:24 AM »
Speaking of Eagle Designs and Phantom parts... are the things in the middle of this Kurnass 2000 conversion set the same as the pylon-mounted chaff dispensers on F-4E/F/G?


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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #73 on: June 16, 2013, 04:36:24 PM »
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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #74 on: June 16, 2013, 07:57:25 PM »
Funny, shows fine here... but the part page is at http://eagledesigns.50megs.com/48ck21.html .