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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #425 on: November 11, 2020, 05:56:43 AM »
Oh yeah!!!



Amusing, but the V-tail is way too small.
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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #426 on: November 11, 2020, 08:58:25 AM »
I have to agree with Jon, that V-tail is way too small.  Perhaps use half of a F-101 horizontal tail for each leg of the V?  That's just a first thought, it may yet need larger surfaces than that.

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #427 on: November 12, 2020, 06:45:09 PM »
That's a lot of airplane for no BVR missile capability.
Well, the F-4F was a stopgap solution to begin with due to the delays in the Tornado program, and as the version of the Tornado the Luftwaffe was considering did not include BVR capability they did not want to pay for that in an interim aircraft either. MDD was probably anxious to cut the costs (and thus sales price) anyway in order not to have Luftwaffe buy eg. Viggen (of course, Luftwaffe did not need to tell them that they did not want another single-engined aircraft, no matter how cheap) or Jaguar instead.

That does not of course explain the other half of the order, which was used in dedicated air-to-air role, but as it was supposed to supplant the attrition of the F-104 force, the capability was replaced like-for-like.

The cynic would say that this was how the acquisition was sold to the politicians, as in a few years Maverick capability was (re-)added and in less than ten years the Luftwaffe would initiate the ICE program which actually modernized the F-4F's beyond any US Phantoms (APG-65 radar, the same as F/A-18, and AMRAAM capability, among many other improvements).

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #428 on: July 11, 2021, 01:46:16 AM »

All hail the God of Frustration!!!

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #429 on: July 11, 2021, 02:08:43 AM »

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #430 on: December 12, 2021, 03:10:48 PM »
Super swept Phantom



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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #431 on: December 12, 2021, 03:42:04 PM »
USN and USMC Hybrid F-4K to operate off life extended Essex Class carriers in the CVS and a new CVA(M) configuration.

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #432 on: January 05, 2022, 08:02:03 PM »
Study for a single engine F-4 Phantom.



Engine does not have to be necessarily Volvo RM8. I think more in an upscaled version of EJ200