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Offline Volkodav

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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #350 on: July 05, 2021, 11:04:37 PM »
Once outside of Chinese controlled waters their carriers will be even more vulnerable than the USN carrier allegedly are.

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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #351 on: July 27, 2021, 12:32:34 PM »
Not sure if these have been on here before
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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #352 on: July 28, 2021, 01:52:33 AM »
I like but they could probably loose the fighters.
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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #353 on: July 28, 2021, 03:47:47 AM »
That could be your mobile floating kit repository, Greg.

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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #354 on: July 28, 2021, 06:03:43 AM »
I'm shocked to realize that this one has been missed in this topic.
 :smiley: :icon_fsm:

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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #355 on: July 28, 2021, 06:34:23 PM »
Read Shackleton's paper/book and it clearly illustrates the issue is, time and time again governments outline strategies / political needs, that set capability requirements and then only fund the bare minimum (if that) to acquire the capabilities their strategies / desire demand.

They look at short term acquisition costs, not through life sustainment and upgrade costs, let alone the need to be planning the next generation of upgrades or even capability replacement / evolution, well before a required in service date.  The reason the RAN got the Adams class DDGs was there was nothing cheaper that met the requirements and even then they required extensive modernisation and improvements shortly after entering service and spent much of their careers slipping behind the required capability improvements, before finally being superseded by even less capable upgraded frigates.

Collins hope was getting the carriers in service they would prove themselves and earn more capable replacements, well they proved themselves but weren't replaced.  It could even me argued that a more capable carrier class, able to operate more advanced aircraft, could have mitigated the need to buy the DDGs when we did.

According to the paper buying a more capable, but also more expensive design, i.e. the USNs Belknap class DLG, instead of the Adams likely would have been better value for money and if the USN upgrade path was followed, cheaper to own and operate over their lives while being far more relevant and useful through that life.  Because we bought the lower end of the carrier escort capability we spent their entire service lives trying to lift them to the next level., now we are repeating the entire process again 40 years later, buying a smaller, less capable ship than required and then spending big to get some, but not all, of the desired missing capability.

I find your analogy very intriguing Volkodav
It would be fascinating to see and compare costs of Charles F. Adams DDG vs Belknap class DLG🤔
I'll have to go through some books to assertain crew size differences.
Really got me thinking now.....


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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #356 on: November 30, 2021, 03:27:57 AM »


CFBV
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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #357 on: November 30, 2021, 06:44:48 AM »
 ;D ;D 8)
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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #358 on: December 02, 2021, 09:32:57 AM »


CFBV
Now you'd need balls of steel to be the pilot!😯🤔

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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #359 on: December 02, 2021, 10:45:32 AM »
taking off no problem, but where the hell you gonna land?
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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #360 on: December 03, 2021, 01:51:36 AM »
Think of it as the Daddy of the WWII CAM ship concept:  It is the Thorneycroft Seaplane Lighter was a 58ft flat-bottomed barge towed by another vessel.  They would get up to a certain speed, then with the RNAS Sopwith Camel 2F.1 engine revved up, they would let it rip and hope it made it into the sky! The purpose was to extend the range of the aircraft and they could then be used to intercept enemy Zeppelin bombers. The pilot would then have to ditch the aircraft and await a rescue.

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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #361 on: December 03, 2021, 02:00:07 AM »
You can see more on these here including some more phots including the good:



and the not so good:

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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #362 on: December 03, 2021, 06:22:36 AM »
Interesting link there, there's the remains of one in the harbour of my old home town, Poole. I'm trying to think just exactly where it is too ---

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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #363 on: April 22, 2022, 04:17:03 AM »


Originally launched as a Saipan-class light aircraft carrier (CVL-49) at the very end of WW2, the USS Wright ended its service days in this weird configuration. Converted into a command ship in 1962 and with its flight deck “festooned” with these huge communications antenna arrays. It could also operate helicopters, as a consolation.

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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #364 on: April 22, 2022, 08:58:59 AM »

Originally launched as a Saipan-class light aircraft carrier (CVL-49) at the very end of WW2, the USS Wright ended its service days in this weird configuration. Converted into a command ship in 1962 and with its flight deck “festooned” with these huge communications antenna arrays. It could also operate helicopters, as a consolation.

I've never seen so many arrester wires !!

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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #365 on: April 23, 2022, 01:55:58 AM »
I like how the 'poles' on the far side appear to be sticking through the bottom. ;D
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Offline Volkodav

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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #366 on: April 27, 2022, 09:53:39 AM »
I like how the 'poles' on the far side appear to be sticking through the bottom. ;D

Too heavy for the deck or a particularly hot day?

Offline ysi_maniac

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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #367 on: July 05, 2022, 09:48:14 PM »
Sovietized Victorious



Perhaps you can help me: Would it have any meaning, such weird conbination of radars, antenae, sensors, etc...?

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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #368 on: July 15, 2022, 01:23:46 AM »
Run away...run away...

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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #369 on: July 15, 2022, 11:17:16 AM »
Was this ever proposed? IMO it would be very convinient.

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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #370 on: July 15, 2022, 11:54:46 AM »
I had to triple check the writing on the photo, it is running backwards! 17.5 knots astern, not bad really.

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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #371 on: July 15, 2022, 07:20:32 PM »
Quite impressive! There are a number of escort vessels of the period & later (WW2) that would have had difficulty keeping up with her at their Full Ahead. :smiley:
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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #372 on: July 16, 2022, 12:19:34 AM »
Hmmmmm……. Screws at the front of the ship? There’s a whiff idea!

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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #373 on: July 16, 2022, 10:50:37 AM »
Catamaran aircraft carrier was ever proposed? IMO it would be very convinient.

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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #374 on: July 16, 2022, 11:00:33 AM »
It would be an interesting whiff idea!