Author Topic: North American F-100 Super Sabre  (Read 9046 times)

Offline GTX_Admin

  • Evil Administrator bent on taking over the Universe!
  • Administrator - Yep, I'm the one to blame for this place.
  • Whiffing Demi-God!
    • Beyond the Sprues
North American F-100 Super Sabre
« on: January 13, 2012, 04:23:05 AM »
Folks,

A thread for your North American F-100 Ideas and Inspiration.  To start with, here are a couple:

The Commonwealth Aircraft Corporation (CAC) had a established history producing North American designs.  What if in the late '50/early '60s they followed up the Avon Sabre with production of the F-100 for the RAAF.

Secondly,  what if instead of the The J57, two smaller engines were used, ala the MiG-19 counterpart?

Regards,

Greg
All hail the God of Frustration!!!

You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it.

Offline Maverick

  • Suffers from 'Fat Fingers' and accidentally locks his own thread...
  • Holding Pattern
  • *
  • The profile machine!
    • My Photobucket Thread
Re: North American F-100 Super Sabre
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2012, 04:43:15 AM »
At the risk of sounding like a broken record, I've done a dozen or more Huns in various markings, including four RAAF examples.

Regards,

John
Regards,

John

Offline GTX_Admin

  • Evil Administrator bent on taking over the Universe!
  • Administrator - Yep, I'm the one to blame for this place.
  • Whiffing Demi-God!
    • Beyond the Sprues
Re: North American F-100 Super Sabre
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2012, 05:24:39 AM »
Would you mind playing that record one more time and posting them here or in your profiles thread?
« Last Edit: January 13, 2012, 03:07:16 PM by GTX_Admin »
All hail the God of Frustration!!!

You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it.

Offline Maverick

  • Suffers from 'Fat Fingers' and accidentally locks his own thread...
  • Holding Pattern
  • *
  • The profile machine!
    • My Photobucket Thread
Re: North American F-100 Super Sabre
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2012, 07:26:59 AM »
Nps,






Regards,

John
Regards,

John

Re: North American F-100 Super Sabre
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2012, 09:02:21 AM »
Quote
Secondly,  what if instead of the The J57, two smaller engines were used, ala the MiG-19 counterpart?

J52s as in the A-4E and North American's own AGM-28 Hound Dog?

J57 is a good engine though. I think most re-engine options will leave it somewhat underpowered.


Offline Maverick

  • Suffers from 'Fat Fingers' and accidentally locks his own thread...
  • Holding Pattern
  • *
  • The profile machine!
    • My Photobucket Thread
Re: North American F-100 Super Sabre
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2012, 09:45:30 AM »
The F-100's J57 was around the 10,000lb thrust mark, two J52s (even in their earliest incarnation at 7,500lbs thrust) would produce a total of 14,000 plus or thereabouts.  One would suggest that the change would enhance the Hun's performance rather than degrade it, providing the conversion ticked all of the boxes.

Either way, I also read that there was a proposal to re-engine French F-100s with the Spey.  Although the article didn't suggest which model of engine was considered, there's another alternative I guess.

Regards,

John
Regards,

John

Offline elmayerle

  • Its about time there was an Avatar shown here...
  • Über Engineer...at least that is what he tells us.
Re: North American F-100 Super Sabre
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2012, 10:06:10 AM »
I'm not sure if it would've been the early Spey, as fitted to the UK's Phantoms or the later Spey (produced dry as the TF41).  The latter had more demonstrated growth with reheat and internal aero improvements.

Just a thought, how about a twin-Avon F-100 to begin with, followed by a twin-J79 version as the J79 improved in reliability and power (and, like the J52, the J79 first flew in a cruise missile - the Regulus II).  The J52 would need afterburning for a twin-J52 engine fit to replace the J57 but that shouldn't have been a problem for P&W given their experience with the J57 and J75.

Offline dy031101

  • Yuri Fanboy and making cute stuff practical- at least that's the plan anyway
  • Prefers Guns And Tanks Over Swords And Magic
Re: North American F-100 Super Sabre
« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2012, 10:11:57 AM »


Reposting here- tailless delta anyone?
Forget about his bow and arrows- why wait until that sparrow has done his deed when I can just bury him right now 'cause I'm sick and tired of hearing why he wants to have his way with the cock robin!?

Offline elmayerle

  • Its about time there was an Avatar shown here...
  • Über Engineer...at least that is what he tells us.
Re: North American F-100 Super Sabre
« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2012, 10:51:30 AM »
Let us not forget the two F-100-derived "Super Fury" F2J proposals over on retromechanix.com.  Between those and the FJ-5 proposal, you could do some serious NAA goodness.

Offline GTX_Admin

  • Evil Administrator bent on taking over the Universe!
  • Administrator - Yep, I'm the one to blame for this place.
  • Whiffing Demi-God!
    • Beyond the Sprues
Re: North American F-100 Super Sabre
« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2012, 03:08:18 PM »
Thanks for the profiles John.  Great work!
All hail the God of Frustration!!!

You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it.

Re: North American F-100 Super Sabre
« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2012, 09:00:35 PM »
Sorry, I meant most contemporary single-engine re-engine options from the J57 would leave it underpowered (i.e. J71, J73, J65).

With a later timeframe, yeah the Spey and J79 are your best bets. I think the J75 was a little too long for the F-100 but if you are stretching it into F-107/F2J territiory, then it is not a problem.

Offline GTX_Admin

  • Evil Administrator bent on taking over the Universe!
  • Administrator - Yep, I'm the one to blame for this place.
  • Whiffing Demi-God!
    • Beyond the Sprues
Re: North American F-100 Super Sabre
« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2012, 03:28:37 AM »
Sorry, I meant most contemporary single-engine re-engine options from the J57 would leave it underpowered (i.e. J71, J73, J65).


True.  Maybe it is an option though if the J57 was unavailable or even as an export model?

Regards,

Greg
All hail the God of Frustration!!!

You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it.

Re: North American F-100 Super Sabre
« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2012, 10:07:16 AM »
^ Good point. I can definitely see the J65 being used on an export version.

If Westinghouse had managed to sort the J40, it may have also come into play.

Offline Cliffy B

  • Ship Whiffer Extraordinaire...master of Beyond Visual Range Modelling
  • Its ZOTT!!!
    • My Artwork
Re: North American F-100 Super Sabre
« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2012, 10:37:28 AM »
Don't forget the navy version!



One of my very first profiles so be nice  :D
"Radials growl, inlines purr, jets blow!"  -Anonymous

"Helos don't fly.  They vibrate so violently that the ground rejects them."  -Tom Clancy

"If all else fails, call in an air strike."  -Anonymous

Offline GTX_Admin

  • Evil Administrator bent on taking over the Universe!
  • Administrator - Yep, I'm the one to blame for this place.
  • Whiffing Demi-God!
    • Beyond the Sprues
Re: North American F-100 Super Sabre
« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2012, 10:58:19 AM »
Cool.
All hail the God of Frustration!!!

You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it.

Offline elmayerle

  • Its about time there was an Avatar shown here...
  • Über Engineer...at least that is what he tells us.
Re: North American F-100 Super Sabre
« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2012, 01:13:22 PM »
Sorry, I meant most contemporary single-engine re-engine options from the J57 would leave it underpowered (i.e. J71, J73, J65).

With a later timeframe, yeah the Spey and J79 are your best bets. I think the J75 was a little too long for the F-100 but if you are stretching it into F-107/F2J territiory, then it is not a problem.

Yeah, I agree there (though rather later - like circa 1990 - proposed afterburning J52 variants would work).  The J75 is clearly too big, powerful, and thirsty for a simple installation in the F-100.  I'd call the J79 as the most likely choice (it was chosen for the FJ-5 Fury) and, perhaps, a 300-series Avon, or RM6C, would work for export (I have to wonder if the French every trialed an ATAR from the Mirage III in a F-100 for spares commonality).  In the 1960s, the afterburning Spey (presumably something similar to what was fitted to British Phantoms rather than the studied afterburning TF41 would be used - afterburning TF41 would make a great replacement for the TF30 - perhaps an Allison/Rolls-Royce/SNECMA development of the afterburning TF41 as a TF30 replacement for FAA and Aeronavale F-14s?).

Offline GTX_Admin

  • Evil Administrator bent on taking over the Universe!
  • Administrator - Yep, I'm the one to blame for this place.
  • Whiffing Demi-God!
    • Beyond the Sprues
Re: North American F-100 Super Sabre
« Reply #16 on: August 04, 2012, 02:37:53 AM »
 :)
All hail the God of Frustration!!!

You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it.

Offline Daryl J.

  • Assures us he rarely uses model glue in dentistry
Re: North American F-100 Super Sabre
« Reply #17 on: May 13, 2013, 01:48:57 PM »
Khemed remained aligned with the West long after Zakaroff and flew a handful of Huns against Sheik Bab el Ehr during the early petroleum wars.
kwyxdxLg5T

Re: North American F-100 Super Sabre
« Reply #18 on: May 13, 2013, 07:12:13 PM »
Variable-geometry (Su-17) wings and a TF33!

Offline upnorth

  • Distorting a reality near you.
  • Reinvented Austria and the Stuka....Now what?
Re: North American F-100 Super Sabre
« Reply #19 on: May 13, 2013, 07:17:11 PM »
How about a tailed delta wing arrangement, like a MiG-21?
Pickled Wings, A Blog for Preserved Aircraft:
http://pickledwings.wordpress.com/

Beyond Prague, Traveling the Rest of the Czech Republic:
http://beyondprague.wordpress.com/

Offline elmayerle

  • Its about time there was an Avatar shown here...
  • Über Engineer...at least that is what he tells us.
Re: North American F-100 Super Sabre
« Reply #20 on: May 14, 2013, 01:58:39 AM »
Variable-geometry (Su-17) wings and a TF33!
While the TF33 may share a common core with the J57, it's a rather larger engine and would not be a good fit.  A TF30, despite its problems, likely would be.


Offline GTX_Admin

  • Evil Administrator bent on taking over the Universe!
  • Administrator - Yep, I'm the one to blame for this place.
  • Whiffing Demi-God!
    • Beyond the Sprues
Re: North American F-100 Super Sabre
« Reply #22 on: August 04, 2013, 05:49:41 AM »
All hail the God of Frustration!!!

You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it.

Offline Rickshaw

  • "Of course, I could be talking out of my hat"
Re: North American F-100 Super Sabre
« Reply #23 on: August 04, 2013, 03:26:33 PM »
That Motocar bloke does get about, doesn't he, Greg?  ;D

Offline GTX_Admin

  • Evil Administrator bent on taking over the Universe!
  • Administrator - Yep, I'm the one to blame for this place.
  • Whiffing Demi-God!
    • Beyond the Sprues
Re: North American F-100 Super Sabre
« Reply #24 on: January 05, 2014, 04:59:22 AM »
Here are some to get you started:




All hail the God of Frustration!!!

You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it.