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Self Propelled Artillery
« on: December 24, 2011, 05:16:34 AM »
Hi folks,

A thread for various Self Propelled Artillery Ideas & Inspiration.

To start, some things from the real world (yes, honestly they are!):

What happens when weapons designers get on the wacky juice:





Although this is Chinese, tell me it doesn't make you think of a SPH derived Humvee:





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Re: Self Propelled Artillery
« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2011, 01:57:26 PM »
Reminds me somewhat of an idea I had using the prime mover cab from an M26 Dragon Wagon along with some heavy gun on the back where the crane & towing gear normally lives.

Definitely got a heavy Hummer look to it though.

As for that Italian SPG on wheels.  Yipes & I thought that the Stryker MGS was daft.

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Re: Self Propelled Artillery
« Reply #2 on: December 25, 2011, 02:47:52 AM »
I actually thought the idea of mounting heavy weapons on low-cost platforms would be brilliant if executed properly, especially if the troops those platforms are intended for would otherwise have only man-portable weapons and maybe some mortars to count on.

Executed properly, as in the understanding that we're talking about artillery, direct or indirect fire, and air defence types.  None of the too-far-ahead-of-our-time items like "MBT on wheels".
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Re: Self Propelled Artillery
« Reply #3 on: December 25, 2011, 02:57:58 AM »
So something akin to the CAESAR SPH?



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Re: Self Propelled Artillery
« Reply #4 on: December 25, 2011, 03:19:02 AM »
So something akin to the CAESAR SPH?




The Ceasar gun system would look good on the MAN 8X8, Oshkosh HEMTT 8X8, or MLRS instead of the French 6X6 as an alternative wheeled or tracked vehicle.
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Re: Self Propelled Artillery
« Reply #5 on: December 25, 2011, 03:29:53 AM »
So something akin to the CAESAR SPH?

Yup.  Heck, even Stryker MGS is more like a "direct-fire artillery", considering it was meant to replace trucks and HMMWV to begin with. 
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Re: Self Propelled Artillery
« Reply #6 on: December 25, 2011, 03:44:52 AM »
The Chinese make a license built variant of the Humvee - the MengShi

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« Reply #7 on: December 25, 2011, 01:48:16 PM »
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Re: Self Propelled Artillery
« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2012, 12:07:37 PM »
Akos Szabo's Kraz 214 with D30 122mm Gun mounted in the back this is a model produced by MinimanFactory.  Simple and effective.  What more could you ask for in a gun truck? 

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Re: Self Propelled Artillery
« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2012, 09:48:16 PM »
Some ideas floating in my head,

An A34 Comet with a 25 Lbr in place of the 77mm,for a direct fire close support vehicle.

M10/M36 Tank destroyers hull on the E8 suspension with either a 25 Lbr,or 105mm howitzer.

There was  T88 prototype built,based on the M18 tank destroyer,armed with a 105mm howitzer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M18_Hellcat#Prototype_variants

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Re: Self Propelled Artillery
« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2012, 02:47:52 AM »
I'm liking your ideas, especially the first one. :)
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Re: Self Propelled Artillery
« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2012, 06:45:38 AM »
I'm liking your ideas, especially the first one. :)

Thanks. :)
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Re: Self Propelled Artillery
« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2012, 04:20:46 AM »
Meng has now added another modern 1:35th scale French armor subject to their stable.  This time it is the AUF1 155mm Self-propelled Howitzer based on the AMX30

Certainly intended to please many and of course it will hopefully see a major drop in the price for the rather shoddy alternative offered by Heller.  That would be a Win-Win for anyone wanting to do a what if project based on an AMX30 or the AUF1 but has been put off by the high price on the Heller kits. 
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Re: Self Propelled Artillery
« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2013, 05:36:38 AM »
An idea I have been toying with for a while...and continue to toy with:  have the Porshe Ferdinand/Elefant (see below) become the basis for a heavy SPH.

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« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2013, 05:38:54 AM »
An idea I have been toying with for a while...and continue to toy with:  have the Porshe Ferdinand/Elefant (see below) become the basis for a heavy SPH.


Howitzer or field gun.  What size weapon would you imagine this thing hauling around?
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Re: Self Propelled Artillery
« Reply #15 on: October 19, 2013, 06:00:17 AM »
Haven't decided yet...
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« Reply #16 on: October 19, 2013, 06:35:44 AM »
Haven't decided yet...
You big tease ;)
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Re: Self Propelled Artillery
« Reply #17 on: October 19, 2013, 10:19:15 AM »
That would work, a common platform for gun / howitzer, mortar and heavy howitzer?

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Re: Self Propelled Artillery
« Reply #18 on: October 19, 2013, 10:58:26 AM »
An idea I have been toying with for a while...and continue to toy with:  have the Porshe Ferdinand/Elefant (see below) become the basis for a heavy SPH.

That makes sense, indeed it probably makes more sense than the Elefant.

Nashorn-style open-topped fighting compartment and a 150mm gun?
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Re: Self Propelled Artillery
« Reply #19 on: October 19, 2013, 03:51:55 PM »
I love SPGs, really, I've always modelled them for my wargaming just for the looks good factor.
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Re: Self Propelled Artillery
« Reply #20 on: October 19, 2013, 11:42:18 PM »
I have no idea if such a thing would work in reality but I've always thought a 38 cm mortar equipped Elefant might be cool. Alternately, a post-war style vehicle based on the same chassis but with a rear mounted semi-revolving turret like the M109. Maybe the turret from the old Heller AMX30 Auf 1 with some suitable German fittings mounted on a modified Elefant chassis?

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« Reply #21 on: October 20, 2013, 01:49:04 AM »
That photo of the twin gun on the tracked hull (now trackless) gives me an idea.  How about a series of SPGs based on re-purposed naval guns?  Would be perfect for German and/or Russian subjects since they're heavy fleet units didn't get much use and/or were sunk or stuck in port.  Warehouses had spare guns/mounts so why not graft some onto some heavy tank chassis go tank plinking?  I know its more complicated than that and naval mounts tend to be heavier than land mounts but this is WHIFF world!!  ;)
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Re: Self Propelled Artillery
« Reply #22 on: October 20, 2013, 02:42:12 AM »



That's the 12.8 cm FlaK 40 Zwilling which was a twin barrelled 128mm Anti-Aircraft gun (although there was also a PAK 40 Anti Tank derivative though this not produced I believe).

Some of the others posted are also anti-aircraft systems.
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Re: Self Propelled Artillery
« Reply #23 on: October 20, 2013, 03:12:07 AM »





The more I think of it, something along the lines of the Geschützwagen "Tiger" / 17cm - Gerät 809 as shown in these above, and below:



Is akin to what I am thinking. 

Take Porshe Ferdinand/Elefant and give it either a 17 cm Kanone 18 or a 15 cm Kanone 18 or 15 cm sFH 18.

Edit:  I wonder if I can 'shoehorn' one of these:



into one of these:



Maybe open up the rear, add rear spade, partially open top...
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« Reply #24 on: October 20, 2013, 04:09:08 AM »
The 128cm Zwilling was not self-propelled, nor was the platform it's mounted on tracked,
it's more along the lines of a rubber-tired rail car designed to be towed by a large tractor.
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