Beyond The Sprues
Modelling => Ideas & Inspiration => Aero-space => Topic started by: ChernayaAkula on February 23, 2012, 12:09:52 PM
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No thread for the venerable Fishbed yet? Sacrilege! >:(
How about a third prototype of the Ye-8, with an intake much like the F-107's?
Still elated at the news of a 1/72 injection-moulded kit of the Ye-8 (CLICK (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=905.msg9853#msg9853)), then seeing JoseFern's F-8V (CLICK (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=157.msg9867#msg9867)), my brain connected the dots in a rather haphazard way (it skipped a few, but - hey - all whiffers' brains do that!) and came up with this:
(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m309/ChernayaAkula/WhIf/ye-8-107.jpg)
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Faceplate wings rather than Fishbed wings throughout the entire series. :)
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That one looks great Moritz. :)
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Production Ye-8 with MiG-21SMT or Mig-21Bis spine, F-7E wings, and the engine and countermeasures upgrades of the MiG-21-93 (used one MiG-29 engine). Do the same starting with the F-7 variant with the F8U-style nose intake.
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Hi folks,
As the most-produced supersonic jet aircraft in aviation history and the most-produced combat aircraft since the Korean War, and it had the longest production run of a combat aircraft (1959 to 1985 over all variants), the MiG-21 should certainly provide some inspiration for you. So let's hear your ideas.
Regards,
Greg
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As a start, has anyone considered converting one of Eduard's new 1/48 MiG-21 kits into an operational Ye-2?
(http://www.aviastar.org/pictures/russia/mig-e2.gif)
(http://q-zon-fighterplanes.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Mikoyan-Gurevich-Ye-2.jpg)
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I was going to ask if Ye-7PD could be what-ifed into a carrier aircraft for industries with no access to catapults or thrust-vectoring engine tech, but then I heard that its slow-speed handling is so bad that its test pilot had to activate the afterburner just to land the thing......
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I was going to ask if Ye-7PD could be what-ifed into a carrier aircraft for industries with no access to catapults or thrust-vectoring engine tech, but then I heard that its slow-speed handling is so bad that its test pilot had to activate the afterburner just to land the thing......
Maybe in the whiff verse, those aspects were overcome?
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Maybe also for the carrier version one could give it a VG wing ala the Su-17?
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The YE-2 is exactly what I hope to do with Eduard's F-13 variant when it comes out. Notice the vertical stab is quite a bit thinner in chord on the MiG-21F than it is on the F-13's.
Perhaps a swing-wing MF.
I love the ogival winged Tu-144 test aircraft as well featured a number of years ago in Fine Scale Modeler. That would look great on the MF & bis as well.
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Modify the Ye-2 wing along the lines of the SU-7 to Su-17 conversion?
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I'm looking to combine the Ye-8 with a MiG-21-93 variation of thr MiG-21Bis. It also occurs to me that the wing of the MiG-21Analog would look good on a YE-8.
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I've had the idea for a long time to make a two engined version in the style of the EE Lightning; I'd likely go from an MF or Bis if I ever tried it.
So many people have said the Lightning looked like a MiG-21 that had swallowed another engine.
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Maybe in the whiff verse, those aspects were overcome?
How did the liftjets contribute to the bad slow-speed handling of the Ye-7PD though?
I know that dedicated liftjets are deadweights inflight, but is it weight alone that made the aircraft such a beast?
Granted, a more-powerful main engine would probably be in order either way, since navalization would likely add weights as well.
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Maybe a bit of inspiration of the MiG-21 variety from my recent trip to the USAF museum.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/loganov/My%20Pictures/Doolittle%20Raiders%20Reunion%20-%20Wallpapers/Preview/DSC_0975-2.jpg)
Cheers,
Logan
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I've wanted to do both a Finn and a Czech early variant with the Ye-2 wing.
Both in full camouflage.
:icon_music:
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Maybe in the whiff verse, those aspects were overcome?
How did the liftjets contribute to the bad slow-speed handling of the Ye-7PD though?
I know that dedicated liftjets are deadweights inflight, but is it weight alone that made the aircraft such a beast?
Granted, a more-powerful main engine would probably be in order either way, since navalization would likely add weights as well.
If I had to guess, I'd reckon that the exhausts from the lift engines had adverse effects on flow around the wing as well as causing flow distortions around the fuselage that would cause stability and control problems below a certain airspreed. This isn't taking into account, of course, how much their addition might have skewed the weight and balance unfavorably by moving the cg out of the acceptable range.
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If I had to guess, I'd reckon that the exhausts from the lift engines had adverse effects on flow around the wing as well as causing flow distortions around the fuselage that would cause stability and control problems below a certain airspreed.
I wonder what that tube-like thing running along the lower forward starboard fuselage is...... otherwise I indeed don't see any strake or other exhaust deflection device.
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I would suspect it is just a tube covering electrical conduits or similar.
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In addition to the later version of the MiG-21, have always had a soft spot for the MiG Ye-8
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/58/E-8.jpg/300px-E-8.jpg) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_Ye-8)
Click on image to view larger image and Wikipedia entry for this aircraft.
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Don't we all. Has anyone ever released a kit or conversion for it...in 1/48? I know you can get it in 1/72.
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Greg: I thought you had an 'in' with Omega ;D Can't you get them to do one?
HiKit did a 1/48 resin Ye-8. One just came up on LTD Cars auction but it's a gawd-awful site to browse!
http://www.ltd-cars.com/auction-p1-v32/other_d774.htm (http://www.ltd-cars.com/auction-p1-v32/other_d774.htm)
DIY 1/48 Ye-8 conversion of Academy MiG-21PF:
http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/rh/articles.php?id=13764 (http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/rh/articles.php?id=13764)
Anybody know of Ye-8 plastic kits other than the following?
1/48th Scale
Hi-Kit - resin [# ??]
1/72nd Scale
Airmodell - vac/resin AM-099
ART Model - short-run styrene ART 7209 E-8/2 [June 2012 release]
-- ART Model also do the MiG-23PD, ART 7208
Omega - resin Ye-8/1 ('Je-8/1') 72493 (1st prototype)
Omega - resin Ye-8 (E-8) 72168 (USSR)
Omega - resin 'CF-111' 72488 (USSR, Japan, Canada)
Omega - resin 'CF-111' 72489 (USSR, Belgium, Denmark)
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I wonder what that tube-like thing running along the lower forward starboard fuselage is...... otherwise I indeed don't see any strake or other exhaust deflection device.
Since it's an experimental, I'd hazard a guess that they ran out of internal space to route something through. There's no deflection device as the engines are fixed at a certain cant.
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Greg: I thought you had an 'in' with Omega ;D Can't you get them to do one?
HiKit did a 1/48 resin Ye-8. One just came up on LTD Cars auction but it's a gawd-awful site to browse!
[url]http://www.ltd-cars.com/auction-p1-v32/other_d774.htm[/url] ([url]http://www.ltd-cars.com/auction-p1-v32/other_d774.htm[/url])
Well, yes Omega have produced some in 1/72 based on the Ye-8s in the Canadian MiGs story. I have one of those.
I am keen on the 1/48 one...I can't find the one in your link though.
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I am keen on the 1/48 one...I can't find the one in your link though.
Nope, neither can I ??? "Hey, let's start an auction site and then make sure no-one can search it."
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Yeah, it's a shocker!
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If memory serves me correctly, I have one or two of the Hit Kit 1/48 Ye-8 kits sitting in the remote southern stash. I get the free time, I'll have to go check on the number. I was going to combine it with the MiG-21Bis spine and canopy from the OEZ kit for a late-production operational example, but not necessarily in Soviet markings.
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If memory serves me correctly, I have one or two of the Hit Kit 1/48 Ye-8 kits sitting in the remote southern stash. I get the free time, I'll have to go check on the number. I was going to combine it with the MiG-21Bis spine and canopy from the OEZ kit for a late-production operational example, but not necessarily in Soviet markings.
Ok...now you have made me jealous!!! (http://www.santafemods.com/images/Smileys/AFPics/greenwnvy.gif)
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Let me make you feel worse, I also have a 1/48 conversion kit for a MiG-21-93 that I can add into the mix. :D
Seriously, we might work something out if you've got a spare day while you're in this area (it's a two-hour drive, each way, to get to the remote southern stash).
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Zen Wiffery: To change just a few details in order to improve, greately, coolness. :P
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/mig21_a5.jpg)
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i got a crappy academy 1/72 i was thinkin of turnin into an armed version of the 21 they used as a wing testbed for the tu-144.
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Zen Wiffery: To change just a few details in order to improve, greately, coolness. :P
I really like that!
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Zen Wiffery: To change just a few details in order to improve, greately, coolness. :P
There was a proposed close support version that looked not unlike that: model pic in RSP-Fighters.
Many moons ago, I drew up an entirely hypothetical aircraft that looked like a Ye-8 (which I wasn't aware of at the time) with Su-22-style swing wings. My guess is that same-scale ones would be too big, but 1/100th ones (if such a thing exists) might be right for the Art Model ye-8.....
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In addition to the later version of the MiG-21, have always had a soft spot for the MiG Ye-8
I wonder if the Ye-8 would still have been worthwhile if it stuck with stock R-11/R-13 turbojet?
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Based on Ye-152:
(http://i846.photobucket.com/albums/ab22/dy031101/Parallel%20World%20and%20What-if/Ye-152_Mod.jpg)
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Just perfect!
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(http://i846.photobucket.com/albums/ab22/dy031101/s-7.jpg)
J-7 with a new forward fuselage and main wings modelled after those of the FC-1 prototype.
And the attachment is a partial mockup of the J-7MF project, an "insurance" against any possible failure of the FC-1. Discontinued because of the ultimate success of the FC-1.
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It is like a Ye-8 Advanced. :)
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Evolution
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/mirage3e_mig21_03.jpg)
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/mirage3e_mig21_01.jpg)
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/mirage3e_mig21_02.jpg)
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Attractive! :)
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A pair of FrankenStudies on MiG-21 ;D
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/mini_phantom_09.jpg)
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/mig21_minifoxbat_01.jpg)
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:)
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Superpowered MiG-21 in two configs:
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/mig21_3dvi.jpg)
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/mig21_3dvi_tt.jpg)
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This past weekend I paid a visit to the very small but very interesting air museum in Olomouc, Czech Republic and saw this MiG-21.
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e59/cancze/Olomouc%20aircraft/DSCF8286.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e59/cancze/Olomouc%20aircraft/DSCF8285.jpg)
I thought to myself:
Cut those yellow support legs down by half and pop on some big drag racing slicks and fire up that Tumansky in the back! >:D
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:) ;D
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(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/mig21_minif4_01.jpg)
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/mig21_minif4_02.jpg)
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(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/mig21_minifoxbat_03.jpg)
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J-8D Finback with a stretched nose just behind the radome and a double delta wing like the later Flagons. It would be about the developmental end of the MiG-21 subtype.
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Does anyone know if it is possible to get a MiG-21 Bison upgrade/conversion in 1/48?
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/photo-60.jpg)
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Stratospheric Models did one, but discontinued it due to poor sales. I think I got the last one. It's going to be combined with a Mig-21 Bis spine and a Ye-8 resin kit.
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Did they? I never recall seeing it listed.
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Well, he had it listed as MiG-21-93 conversion, but it effectively was a MiG-21 Bison. I know it has the wingroot chaff dispensers among other goodies.
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Double delta main wing on the earlier F series, hang Sidewinders on the wingtips. Finn. Of course.
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Would a carrier version have been a possibility given its layout an characteristics? Its not as easy as just adding a hook and beefing up the gear. I know the French had massive issues trying to do it with a Mirage due to its wing layout and wound up scrapping the idea. The two aren't exactly the same but they look close. Would that have ruined its chances? Its gear seems a little too narrow as well. Thoughts?
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Would a carrier version have been a possibility given its layout an characteristics? Its not as easy as just adding a hook and beefing up the gear. I know the French had massive issues trying to do it with a Mirage due to its wing layout and wound up scrapping the idea. The two aren't exactly the same but they look close. Would that have ruined its chances? Its gear seems a little too narrow as well. Thoughts?
I doubt the narrow gear would've helped, but being a tailed delta, similar to the A-4, rather than a pure delta would've helped its carrier suitability. I suspect you might have seen the double-delta, like China's F-7E, earlier to improve carrier suitablity. For that matter, the Ye-8 configuration, with canards, might do even better there.
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With a tread of 8' 9" to 9" 1", depending on sub-type, it's not much narrower than the A-7, so why would it be an issue at all?
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Actually, I was thinking of its narrow-ness relative to how it retracts. The A-7's main landing gear is, like the F-8's, quite robust and while the MiG-21's is suitably robust for rough-field operations, that's not the same at all as being up for the pounding that carrier operations would give it.
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I've heard of a MiG-21 demonstrator powered by the RD-33...... but I've never seen any picture of that demonstrator. Does anyone have a picture of it?
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No, I've not heard of one, though the JF-17 is derived, loosely, from the MiG-21 and uses a RD-33. I'm not sure if the MiG-21-93 testbed used one or not. It's certainly a temptation to add to some of the other tweaks I was looking at.
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I've heard memtion of a MiG-21-97 fitted with the RD33 though no real details.
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Note to myself: MiG-21 Bison + RD-33 turbofan + some fixed/removable inflight refuelling probe = instant "evil" counterpart to the FC-1
(Okay, not necessarily the refuelling probe part since I haven't yet seen any FC-1 equipped with a refuelling probe......)
I once thought about a probe in the same style as the one used by some F-5E/F although I now wonder if the underwing-mounted type used by the F-100 Super Saber would be easier...... does anyone know how much drag such a probe might add to the MiG?
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Why not adopt the same refueling probe arrangement as the Malaysian MiG-29s:
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/photo_zps7a58b4bf.jpg)
You could possibly even add in an IRST ball like the MiG-29.
Looking at the engine side you could go RD33 or RD93 or even F404 or F414. Give it a thrust vectoring tail similar to the MiG-29OVT even...
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Possibly fit a refuleing probe to teh MiG-21 similar to those fitted to Canadian F-5s? If memory serves me correctly, the MiG-21 has a very packed fuselage and adding a refueling probe would almost require it to be external and you'd want it to be away from the intake just to prevent problems.
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Why not adopt the same refueling probe arrangement as the Malaysian MiG-29s...
You could possibly even add in an IRST ball like the MiG-29.
Looking at the engine side you could go RD33 or RD93 or even F404 or F414. Give it a thrust vectoring tail similar to the MiG-29OVT even...
This one is only intended as a quick fix for the "Good Guys" FC-1. Higher up the ladder would be based on J-7FS (attachment #1).
But, hum...... your suggestion should be interesting for an "Aces' Machine"......
Otherwise I'd like to reserve the title of Super MiG-21 for the tailless ones (attachments #2-#4) or the J-7MF (see my earlier post (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=1269.msg22761#msg22761)). And they are too cool to be bad guys. ;)
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Possibly fit a refuleing probe to teh MiG-21 similar to those fitted to Canadian F-5s? If memory serves me correctly, the MiG-21 has a very packed fuselage and adding a refueling probe would almost require it to be external and you'd want it to be away from the intake just to prevent problems.
The F-5-style one was the idea that I first had.
The MiG-29-style one seems external to me, like a package that includes a fairing that the probe can extend out of and then retract back into. I'm wondering if the F-5-style scheme would be lighter though.
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Would a carrier version have been a possibility given its layout an characteristics? Its not as easy as just adding a hook and beefing up the gear. I know the French had massive issues trying to do it with a Mirage due to its wing layout and wound up scrapping the idea. The two aren't exactly the same but they look close. Would that have ruined its chances? Its gear seems a little too narrow as well. Thoughts?
I doubt the narrow gear would've helped, but being a tailed delta, similar to the A-4, rather than a pure delta would've helped its carrier suitability. I suspect you might have seen the double-delta, like China's F-7E, earlier to improve carrier suitablity. For that matter, the Ye-8 configuration, with canards, might do even better there.
After also thinking of the possibility of a navalized MiG-21 and realizing that I missed this discussion......
There is a version of the JL-9 allegedly including features for carrier-borne training......
(Originals found at China Defense Forum (http://www.china-defense.com/smf/index.php))
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Mig-23 always seem like a starting point for navalized Mig.
Is take off and landing speed much lower than Mig-21 ? I dunno.
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Regarding refueling probes, I'd take a look at those fitted to the FJ-3 and FJ-4. Very much equivalent in size and engines ('cept that the J65's in the FJ-3 & FJ-4 don't have afterburner).
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For that matter, the Ye-8 configuration, with canards, might do even better there.
I have seen another, seemingly simpler canarded development in Ye-6T/3.
It was said to be unsuccessful; is it merely an incorrect execution of the idea, or would canards on MiG-21 with minimum (if any other) fuselage alterations just not have worked?
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For that matter, the Ye-8 configuration, with canards, might do even better there.
I have seen another, seemingly simpler canarded development in Ye-6T/3.
It was said to be unsuccessful; is it merely an incorrect execution of the idea, or would canards on MiG-21 with minimum (if any other) fuselage alterations just not have worked?
If memory serves me correctly, the canards on the Ye-6T/3 were more or less just stabilizers for high speed (much as the ones tested on the Ye-150 series) whereas the ones on the Ye-8 were more active.
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What-if fodder or not: what if Albania could come up with the money to have Israel upgrading their F-7As (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Albanian_Air_Force_Chengdu_F-7A_Lofting-1.jpg) instead of having to retire them? What would the products have looked like?
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If memory serves me correctly, the canards on the Ye-6T/3 were more or less just stabilizers for high speed (much as the ones tested on the Ye-150 series) whereas the ones on the Ye-8 were more active.
Do you mean the ones on the Ye-8 are part of the control surfaces rather than mere stabilizers?
Now the use of canards doesn't necessarily mean flight control replacement (as in from mechanical to fly-by-wire, for example), does it?
I mean if all the Ye-6T/3 needs to work out is some tweaks...... "bad guys" carrier aircraft in my storyline...... ;D
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Well, I think they went for more on the Ye-8. I'm thinking that the controls for a fully active canard would be a problem in the Ye-6T/3 as the structure isn't going to admit of much extra room. If you're doing a carrier-based MiG-21 derivative, I'd go with the reduced sweep outer wing leading edges of the later F-7/J-7 variants, but leave the trailing edge where it is. You could either extend the tip out farther to get the same final tip chord or you could keep the span the same and add wingtip IRAAM launchers.
You might also look into picking up the blown flaps that certain versions of the MiG-21 used for the more "austere" fields (MiG-21PFS for example).
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Which one do you see as the better basis, the original MiG-21F or the "fat-spine" later type?
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Which one do you see as the better basis, the original MiG-21F or the "fat-spine" later type?
It depends on timeframe. If it's available as a basis, I'd go with the MiG-21bis. Slightly earlier and I'd go with the MiG-21SM/MF. If you could mix in the small inlet of the MiG-21F/F-13, it would give a bit better over-the-nose visibility which helps in carrier approaches. Fitting a suitable radar to that nose would be the challenge, though the Grifo in the F-7PG seems to do well. I could see that nose fitted to a MiG-21bis with the modified wings we discussed earlier. OTOH, you could always adapt the nose and inlet of the J-7FS. Depending on where you can get engines from, there was an interesting P&W proposal for the Grumman/Chengdu F-7MF Sabre II, it was an afterburning J52-P-409/PW1212 with 12, 000 lbt dry and 16,000+lbt in afterburner.
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If you could mix in the small inlet of the MiG-21F/F-13, it would give a bit better over-the-nose visibility which helps in carrier approaches. Fitting a suitable radar to that nose would be the challenge, though the Grifo in the F-7PG seems to do well. I could see that nose fitted to a MiG-21bis with the modified wings we discussed earlier.
I suppose that technically we can also fit a periscope on top of the wind shield frame?
How well did periscopes work out for aircraft that have them though?
Or maybe we can use a non-podded variant of Kopyo-25 radar in the smaller nose instead......
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Crude rendition of an idea I may or may not be working upon ;):
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/a7b0ba50-7a37-4636-914e-81f4c41f8800_zpsfd617ff7.jpg)
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^ That's clever! :) I think I may need another Art Model Ye-8 and a Condor MiG-21UM.
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I have just read that the pre-production Mig-21R was based on the PFS airframe, but morped into the later Type 94. So i am doing an earlier "R" based on the PFM. I'll see if I can find a pic. O0
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Here's another Fishbed:
Cockpit is from a MiG-27, obviously. Intakes were eyeballed to look about right.
(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m309/ChernayaAkula/WhIf/MiG-21Sh_zpse22db4b0.png)
It looks kinda stocky. It's actually a little shorter than an actual Fished. I guess you could lengthen the fuselage a bit by adding a plug aft of the cockpit, thereby creating more volume for more fuel and a pair of 30mm cannons in the belly.
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I like :)
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So do I! :)
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Short range nuke bomber, say a West Berlin Basher. Note: more research needed, the word 'short' may be an under statement.
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Ye, wouldn't need an airplane, a trebuchet would do. :icon_fsm:
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;D
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odd thought; An interceptor marrying the {i}Analog II[/i] wing with the basic Ye-8 with radome and, possibly, MiG-21bis spine, for strictly an interceptor role.
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Thread Revival!
What about a MiG-21 updated with western systems - say a F404 or even F414 engine; AGP-68 radar, western cockpit etc...
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BTW, does anyone know of a conversion kit to create a MiG-21 "Bison"? I am especially after aspects such as the canopy:
(http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/media/34438-2/DSC00615.JPG)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/86/Sheeju_mig21.JPG)
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I think the Eastern Express 1/72 MiG-21-93 kit has that canopy.
I'll check and revise this post if necessary. It does indeed have that canopy and I would assume (dangerous as that is) that the Condor boxing of the same kit would have the same canopy as they appear identical as to the other sprues.
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Arrgghhh!!! That doesn't help me do a 1/48 one….now that just hurst more. :-\
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Arrgghhh!!! That doesn't help me do a 1/48 one….now that just hurst more. :-\
Time you left the Dark Side, Greg... ;)
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^ Indeed! :) They lie about the cookies as well. Admiral Ackbar was right all along.
odd thought; An interceptor marrying the {i}Analog II[/i] wing with the basic Ye-8 with radome and, possibly, MiG-21bis spine, for strictly an interceptor role.
Cool idea! :) Truth be told, I think it'll look far cooler in actual plastic.
(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m309/ChernayaAkula/WhIf/Ye-8_AnalogII_zps82ca084e.png)
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Arrgghhh!!! That doesn't help me do a 1/48 one….now that just hurst more. :-\
Then let me really rub it in, Stratospheric Models did a 1/48 MiG-21-93 conversion and I acquired the last one a decade ago.
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Cool idea! :) Truth be told, I think it'll look far cooler in actual plastic.
Indeed. Ever wonder why there are some awesome aircraft that Talos and I don't even bother considering doing profiles of?
McDonnell XP-67 Moonbat
Horten Ho 229
Northrop YB-35/49
General Dynamics F-16XL
These are examples of aircraft that are really neat, both Talos and I like, and may have done well if given the chance. We'll never do them, though, because they're not that interesting in profile. Most aircraft or variants with a delta wing are the same, including the MiG-21 with Analog II wing.
Cheers,
Logan
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^ Indeed! :) They lie about the cookies as well. Admiral Ackbar was right all along.
odd thought; An interceptor marrying the {i}Analog II[/i] wing with the basic Ye-8 with radome and, possibly, MiG-21bis spine, for strictly an interceptor role.
Cool idea! :) Truth be told, I think it'll look far cooler in actual plastic.
([url]http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m309/ChernayaAkula/WhIf/Ye-8_AnalogII_zps82ca084e.png[/url])
Hmm, Art Model makes a 1/72 Ye-8 and makes/made an Analog -II. I think I need to look into buying some more goodies.
Correction: Modelsvit makes both an Analog-I and an Analog-II, not Art Model.
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Arrgghhh!!! That doesn't help me do a 1/48 one….now that just hurst more. :-\
Then let me really rub it in, Stratospheric Models did a 1/48 MiG-21-93 conversion and I acquired the last one a decade ago.
Hmmmm...me thinks someone has just moved to the stash raid list. :icon_punal:
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Arrgghhh!!! That doesn't help me do a 1/48 one….now that just hurst more. :-\
Then let me really rub it in, Stratospheric Models did a 1/48 MiG-21-93 conversion and I acquired the last one a decade ago.
Hmmmm...me thinks someone has just moved to the stash raid list. :icon_punal:
Assuming you know which stash I have it in. There are at least two, separated by 200 miles.
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You vill hand over de conversion or de kitten gets it!
(http://www.fedupusa.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/kitten-gun.jpg)
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(http://s21.postimg.org/rtf7a59kn/ninja_cat_o_465125.jpg)
Put the gun down now and you will only be hurt a little bit...
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You vill hand over de conversion or de kitten gets it!
([url]http://www.fedupusa.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/kitten-gun.jpg[/url])
You're assuming, erroneously, that I know where it's at. I'm pretty sure which stash it's in, but beyond that....
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As near as I can see, we haven't made a thread for this beastie yet
Errr…might need to get that eyesight checked. ;)
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Never forget the twinned MiG-21, courtesy of Airforce Delta Storm:
(http://i.imgur.com/3U5vyq0.jpg)
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Here's some fantastic "What If" profiles by Tomás Reyes on DeviantART (http://tmasr.deviantart.com/). There's many different examples of each type on his page, all "What If".
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21
(http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2010/266/b/a/mig_21mf_by_tmasr-d2zcnoc.jpg) (http://tmasr.deviantart.com/art/MiG-21MF-180309468)
(http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/265/4/5/mig_21mf_argentina_1982_by_tmasr-d2zadp6.jpg) (http://tmasr.deviantart.com/art/MiG-21MF-180309468)
(http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2010/266/2/7/mig_21mf_armee_de_l__air_by_tmasr-d2zcl12.jpg) (http://tmasr.deviantart.com/art/MiG-21MF-180309468)
(http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2010/266/4/b/mig_21mf_kuwait_by_tmasr-d2zcou4.jpg) (http://tmasr.deviantart.com/art/MiG-21MF-180309468)
Cheers,
Logan
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Random Idea: Mexican Air Force MiG-21 instead of F-5. In this scheme:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/09/F5_FAM_popocatepetl.jpg)
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YES!!!
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If you want to create a Ye-8 variant but don't have a kit or a conversion, this (http://www.helmo.gr/index.php?option=com_deeppockets&task=catContShow&cat=22&id=951&Itemid=35) might be a useful guide for you.
End Result:
(http://www.helmo.gr/gallery2/d/37247-1/02.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=TMP_SESSION_ID_DI_NOISSES_PMT)
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Random Idea: Mexican Air Force MiG-21
Hey, look what I found:
(http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2010/266/8/9/mig_21mf_mexico_by_tmasr-d2zck7v.jpg)
by Tomás Reyes on DeviantART
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I was putzing around the Internet and found the Omega Chengdu J-7FS-2 kit (http://omega-models.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=96&product_id=87&filter=20,28,66):
(http://omega-models.com/image/cache/catalog/Modely/Chengdu/fs2-600x600.jpg)
(http://www.hitechweb.genezis.eu/fightersOF02.files/chengdu_J-7FS_late.jpg)
which led me to the Grumman F-7S Sabre II proposal:
(http://s13.postimg.org/3t1pinzjr/grumman_super_7_sabre_II_2_big.jpg)
(http://s13.postimg.org/u2ms1glh3/grumman_super_7_sabre_II_3_big.jpg)
(http://www.defencetalk.com/pictures/data/3238/F-7_SABRE-II.jpg)
And I found this:
(http://i.imgur.com/QCy8txy.gif)
So to recap all the cool ideas previously posted in this topic, you could, over many long and dark Canadian winter nights, easily build 10-15 Mig-21 derivatives. With the Mig-21 being a cheap kit to acquire (< $10).
That is all.
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Wasn't Grumman involvement in the Super 7 killed off by Western shock at the Tiananmen Square massacre?
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Wasn't Grumman involvement in the Super 7 killed off by Western shock at the Tiananmen Square massacre?
Yep, as was involvement of some other US companies, such as P&W who had proposed the PW1216 (afterburning late-model J52) as an engine and, IIRC, Westinghouse for the radar.
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Wasn't Grumman involvement in the Super 7 killed off by Western shock at the Tiananmen Square massacre?
Yep, as was involvement of some other US companies, such as P&W who had proposed the PW1216 (afterburning late-model J52) as an engine and, IIRC, Westinghouse for the radar.
There is a page on Wiki-Mis-Leadia-Pedia on the Project Saber II (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Sabre_II).
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Top: J-7MF
Bottom: The tailless Super MiG-21 from Airforce Delta Storm
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Mig-21-FN (Finnish Navy) with wing & tail fold :)
more pics here
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10204932006561402&set=oa.832090650221893&type=3&permPage=1 (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10204932006561402&set=oa.832090650221893&type=3&permPage=1)
actually an airfield decoy, folds for truck transport.
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Falcon Fishbed. What do you prefer?
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/fishbed_falcon01.jpg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/fishbed_falcon01.jpg.html)
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/fishbed_falcon02.jpg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/fishbed_falcon02.jpg.html)
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How about a MiG-21 with wingtip AA-8 (R-60) missiles?
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(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/FishbeDraken.jpg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/FishbeDraken.jpg.html)
I prefer small wings version, and you?
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Falcon Fishbed. What do you prefer?
([url]http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/fishbed_falcon01.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/fishbed_falcon01.jpg.html[/url])
Nice!
like a production version of this:
(http://www.aviastar.org/pictures/russia/mig-e8_1.jpg)
:-*
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^Agree! :) This one just BEGS to be built! :-*
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Seconded/thirded! I have a junker F-16 somewhere, and I know where I can get a cheap Academy Fishbed...
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(http://41.media.tumblr.com/b5f8683f8617febf8b42cfdaf72e05c6/tumblr_nn7q7lVYZT1txx6x7o2_1280.jpg)
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I like da nose but where does the air go in?
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I like da nose but where does the air go in?
movie prop (Poland) - plenty of hot air coming out the director's mouth so you don't need more from aircraft jet-exhausts.
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I like da nose but where does the air go in?
For show only, obviously produced by the same company that did, in the words of "Uncle Roger" in Flight International the "flight falsies" that were on the prototype F-104A at rollout.
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I like da nose but where does the air go in?
movie prop (Poland) - plenty of hot air coming out the director's mouth so you don't need more from aircraft jet-exhausts.
Maybe it was rocket propelled prototype of cheap air/space fighter ;)
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I wonder if the new 1/48 Trumpeter J-7GB (see below) will provide a useful basis to create a Mi-21-93 or MiG-21 Bison (also below):
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/12196058_529890177169580_2179818845945635616_n.jpg?oh=b898b2ef28f6af867e9501cbf75c13ec&oe=56BB58FA&__gda__=1454786814_0361036f53b34749dd91c6585e158335)
(http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/5/3/7/1039735.jpg)
MiG-21-93:
(http://bourget.globat.com/bourget/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/MIG-21-93-600x244.jpg)
MiG-21 Bison:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/86/Sheeju_mig21.JPG)
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It looks like the MiG-21-93 and MiG-21Bison both retain the original MiG-21 wing planform, not the modified one the Chinese have adopted for the latest J-7 variants. 'Twould be interesting to combine the Chinese wing with either of those other two, though I'd be tempted to keep the trailing edge straight and mount wingtip IRAAM rails. I may do that for an advanced Ye-8 derivative.
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I wonder if the new 1/48 Trumpeter J-7GB (see below) will provide a useful basis to create a Mi-21-93 or MiG-21 Bison (also below):
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I'd have to say no. The J-7 is based on the first generation MiG-21, while the 21-93 and Bison are both based on the MiG-21bis (wider intake and wider fin and, of course, original Fishbed wings).
What you could try to do is get the windshield and canopy from the J-7 and try to fit them to an Eduard bis. Although to my eye the 21-93 and Bison canopies appear to be more bulbous than the J-7's.
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Do note that you can get a reasonable accurate MiG-21-93 kit in 1/72; I say "reasonably accurate" because you'll need to add the chaff/flare dispensers at the wing roots.
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Do note that you can get a reasonable accurate MiG-21-93 kit in 1/72
Note anything wrong with that statement? ;)
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Do note that you can get a reasonable accurate MiG-21-93 kit in 1/72
Note anything wrong with that statement? ;)
Only if 1/72 is not your preferred scale :P
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I like da nose but where does the air go in?
movie prop (Poland) - plenty of hot air coming out the director's mouth so you don't need more from aircraft jet-exhausts.
Maybe it was rocket propelled prototype of cheap air/space fighter ;)
It actually looks like a sleeker single seat version of the "Archangel" rocket powered Mig-21UM derivative that X-Rocket LLC studied with XCOR Aerospace as an astronaut trainer in 2002...
https://web.archive.org/web/20141116050628/http://www.citizensinspace.org/2012/06/suborbital-spacecraft-for-astronaut-training/ (https://web.archive.org/web/20141116050628/http://www.citizensinspace.org/2012/06/suborbital-spacecraft-for-astronaut-training/)
Martin
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Delta canard Fishbeds
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/mig21f_delta_canard.jpg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/mig21f_delta_canard.jpg.html)
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/mig21mf_delta_canard.jpg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/mig21mf_delta_canard.jpg.html)
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Sweet! :-* Especially the early one.
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Wow YSI! Looks right at home in that configuration. Never thought about that combination
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(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/mig21_swept.jpg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/mig21_swept.jpg.html)
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Basically a developed Ye-2:
(http://www.aviastar.org/pictures/russia/mig-e2.gif)
(http://ram-home.com/ram-old/ye-2-fightp396.jpg)
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^^^^^
You got it.
But I prefer guns in wing roots. ;)
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I wonder what wing would work best for a kit bash to make a Ye-2?
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I wonder what wing would work best for a kit bash to make a Ye-2?
MiG-19 would likely be the closest bet, though I reckon 1/72 Su-7 wings might work for a 1/48 Ye-2. Of course, for those who work in 1/72, Omega Models made a nice Ye-2 kit.
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How about a Mig-21 with F-104 wings and tail?
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How about a Mig-21 with F-104 wings and tail?
And you can give it the NATO designation of 'Fishstar' ;D
(Even better would have been 'Starfish', but that's not how NATO designations work)
M.A.D
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How about a Mig-21 with F-104 wings and tail?
And you can give it the NATO designation of 'Fishstar' ;D
(Even better would have been 'Starfish', but that's not how NATO designations work)
M.A.D
Fishfighter?
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How about a Mig-21 with F-104 wings and tail?
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8039/7912547388_f748453673_b.jpg)
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Just a random thought, production version of the E-7/1 - radar nose with small spine of Mig-21F. Be a pain to model, though, as you'd need to surgically combine significant portions of a MiG-21F-13 and a MiG-21PF.
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I wonder what wing would work best for a kit bash to make a Ye-2?
Long time a go I did it working on Farmer wings:
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/ModellingProjects/Ye-2/ye201.jpg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/ModellingProjects/Ye-2/ye201.jpg.html)
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/ModellingProjects/Ye-2/ye202.jpg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/ModellingProjects/Ye-2/ye202.jpg.html)
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/ModellingProjects/Ye-2/ye203.jpg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/ModellingProjects/Ye-2/ye203.jpg.html)
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/ModellingProjects/Ye-2/ye204.jpg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/ModellingProjects/Ye-2/ye204.jpg.html)
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/ModellingProjects/Ye-2/ye205.jpg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/ModellingProjects/Ye-2/ye205.jpg.html)
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/ModellingProjects/Ye-2/ye206.jpg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/ModellingProjects/Ye-2/ye206.jpg.html)
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:)
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Something I'm working on early wip
(https://i.imgur.com/SCtAzSO.jpg)
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Interesting.
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Toying with MiG and Mirage
Mirage III tailfin can inprove anything ...
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/Mig_Mirage01.jpg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/Mig_Mirage01.jpg.html)
Just MiG bits ...
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/Mig_Mirage02.jpg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/Mig_Mirage02.jpg.html)
MiG-29 tailfin and canopy ...
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/Mig_Mirage03.jpg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/Mig_Mirage03.jpg.html)
Mirages with MiG-21 tailfins ...
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/Mig_Mirage04.jpg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/Mig_Mirage04.jpg.html)
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Nice! :smiley:
My favourites are the MiG-21F-13 with the larger intake and the Mirage III with the early Fishbed tail.
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Very nice! That MiG-21F-13 with the larger intake comes very close to looking like an operational version of the Ye-7/1 and both it and the small intake variant with it are quite aesthetically appealing.
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MiG-21 with oval intake
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/MiG_Mystere.jpg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/MiG_Mystere.jpg.html)
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Hey! The F-model with oval intake is great!
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The MiG-21F-13 fuselage should work as a spire on some metallic church building.
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Alternative Spanish Air Force (Republican or Imperial) Oval intake MiG-21 F13
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/AltSpain_MiG21_OvInt.jpg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/AltSpain_MiG21_OvInt.jpg.html)
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MiG-21MILF
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/MiG-21_MILF.jpg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/MiG-21_MILF.jpg.html)
MILF: ;D https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MILF (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MILF) :P
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MILF: ;D https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MILF (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MILF) :P
MiG I'd Like to Fly... :P
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^^^^
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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So, is there going to be a corresponding MiG Cougar (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Cougar) ;)
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New tailfin for MiGs
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/MiG_F-16.jpg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/MiG_F-16.jpg.html)
You can call her Cougar. ;) ;) :P
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Cross between F-5E and MiG-21MF
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/Xs_f5e_mig21mf.jpg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/Xs_f5e_mig21mf.jpg.html)
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Outstanding work as shown in latest issue of Fine Scale Modeller:
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/3a74d4bb-cadf-4456-9e33-246f0bca2162_zpsftxflzcm.jpg~original)
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That's pretty cool.
The fuselage just needs some barrel hoops to keep it all together!
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Outstanding work as shown in latest issue of Fine Scale Modeller:
([url]http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/3a74d4bb-cadf-4456-9e33-246f0bca2162_zpsftxflzcm.jpg~original[/url])
Very clever and much foresight
M. A. D
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Absolutely amazing!
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More soviet beauties around MiG-19 and MiG-21
(https://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/MiG21_SM12.jpeg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/MiG21_SM12.jpeg.html)
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What if MiG-21 evolved from swept wing design Ye-2?
(https://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/MiG21_swept_1.jpeg) (https://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/MiG21_swept_1.jpeg.html)
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Oooh, applying the MiG-21 upgrades to the Ye-2 is a great idea! 8)
Hmmm. Looks like you now have a surplus MiG-19 fuselage and a set of MiG-21 wings kicking about.... ;) :icon_beer:
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A carrier based MiG-21? Well kind of...
China's JL-9 Mountain Eagle Trainer Jet to be Modified for Aircraft Carrier Operation: Reports
(Source: Global Times; issued March 18, 2020)
(https://www.defense-aerospace.com/base/util/210059_1.jpg)
The naval version of the JL-9 Mountain Eagle trainer jet is being modified to enable it to train aircraft carrier jet pilots on an actual aircraft carrier at a time when China is in urgent need of training more aircraft carrier jet pilots, as its second carrier was just commissioned last year, reports said on Tuesday.
Multiple promotional materials released by JL-9's developer, Guizhou Aviation Industry Corporation under the state-owned Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC), involved the JL-9 and an aircraft carrier operating together in edited pictures, leading to speculation that the JL-9 could eventually be modified into a carrier-based jet trainer, reported Weihutang, a column on military affairs affiliated with China Central Television, on Tuesday.
The report came after the Guizhou company released a statement on Monday, saying it is determined to "win a new victory in developing and producing the naval version of the Mountain Eagle."
The statement came with a picture of an aircraft carrier sailing in the sea, with a picture of the JL-9 Mountain Eagle edited onto it, flying above the carrier.
Having been already delivered to the Chinese Navy, the naval version of the JL-9 is now training aircraft carrier jet pilots on land-based airfields, but China still does not have an aircraft carrier-based trainer aircraft that can take off and land on an actual carrier, Weihutang reported.
With China's second aircraft carrier, the Shandong, joining Chinese naval service in December 2019, China needs to train more pilots more efficiently, and a trainer aircraft that can operate on a carrier rather than a simulated airfield can contribute a great deal to this aim, analysts said.
Having the JL-9 fly on a carrier might require major modifications in aspects including the airframe structure and engine, Weihutang said.
A powerful competitor to the single-engined JL-9 Mountain Eagle is the twin-engined JL-10 Falcon, which has a more advanced avionics system and better aerodynamic performance, the report said. But the JL-10 advanced trainer jet, developed by AVIC Hongdu Aviation Industry Group, is more expensive, analysts said.
The JL-10, although not yet modified for aircraft carrier operations, is also in active service, according to publicly available reports.
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Go with dual ventral fins with the arresting hook in between. IIRC, something like that was proposed for the MiG-23K.
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Been wanting to do an operational Su-7 interceptor which flew as a prototype for some time. Needed a Mig-21 donor for AAMs and radar nose. This gives me enough to knock up a Mig-21K ground attack plane which was a competitor to the Su-25. Just a thought but at least one of these will get done as I finish work tomorrow and will be in lockdown.
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This gives me enough to knock up a Mig-21K ground attack plane which was a competitor to the Su-25.
Are you talking about this one:
(https://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/GTwiner106/MiG-27II_zpsnyg2iit5.jpg)
(https://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/GTwiner105/5550781266_373f52fbbd_z_zpsbwni3bs4.jpg)
(https://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/GTwiner107/sturmovik-10_zpssmewdxos.jpg)
(https://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/GTwiner107/sturmovik-11_zpsgc0fipdx.jpg)
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There was also the later MiG-21Sh:
(https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/images/mig-21lsh-line1.gif)
(https://farm6.static.flickr.com/5070/5550199659_0dd16c46d8_z.jpg)
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Speaking of Naval MiG-21s:
(https://combatace.com/uploads/monthly_08_2014/post-3395-0-71755800-1409248484_thumb.jpg)
(https://combatace.com/uploads/monthly_08_2014/post-3395-0-18732100-1409248501_thumb.jpg)
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Thinking of this version
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Thinking of this version
Ah ok. When you read up on that it is actually "This is a modernization of the MiG-21SM. Demo with Bortnumber 44 at Moscow airshow 1992 . Predecessor is the MiG-21-93 bison. The unofficial name is MiG-21-92".
The real MiG-21K (well the version that was a competitor to the Su-25), was the Ogival winged version I posted above. You can read about it in here:
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41TLYvfmvNL._SX375_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)
That said, still looking forward to what you create. All is good in Whiffverse.
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Iranian J-7 with what I think are four LAU-3 19-round 70mm rocket pods
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-0iVSv_JE0e8/WfpRMw4aVgI/AAAAAAAATkY/9Ll5NV5HHxcambrYxGVZqJRFKtxMuv69wCLcBGAs/s1600/3.jpg)
SOURCE (http://alejandro-8.blogspot.com/2017/11/ejercicios-de-la-fuerza-aerea-de-la.html)
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(https://combatace.com/applications/core/interface/imageproxy/imageproxy.php?img=http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh173/SPINNERS1961/WHAT%2520IF%25202010/WHAT%2520IF%25202011/IACMiG-21bisFISHBED01.jpg&key=156c4956b2daa5e5bc7c60aa28eca64ec6e957bed8b9a926a63a4cda86518547)
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One variation I have been considering is a wing with reduced leading edge sweep, much like the later J-7 wings, but with the trailing edge remaining straight, and giving enough chord at the wing tips to mount short-range AAM's. Combine this with an updated Ye-8 or J-7FS for a different look.
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Operational and armed MiG-21 Ye-8 bis
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/MiG-Ye8bis(3).jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/ysi_maniac/a/caec78e4-057f-4fe9-82f4-083a43455765/p/e8875ecd-bb96-433d-9e97-d07cca843098)
Some ideas to settle gun?
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Lovin' these! :-*
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Beautiful Ye-8 variants! If it gets a gun or guns, I can see single-barreled cannon on either side of the intake. Alternatively, a twin-barreled Gsh-23, as carried on late-model MiG-21s located just aft of the nose gear and far enough down that the projectiles don't hit structure would work.
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Operational and armed MiG-21 Ye-8 bis
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/MiG-Ye8bis(3).jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/ysi_maniac/a/caec78e4-057f-4fe9-82f4-083a43455765/p/e8875ecd-bb96-433d-9e97-d07cca843098)
Some ideas to settle gun?
Thanks Carlos / ysi_maniac, they look even better than I envisaged 😯👍
I guess the Soviet's lose.
MAD
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Damn it! Why isn't this in 1/48:
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/N~kAAOSw7gNhV61Y/s-l1600.jpg)
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Other than the canopy and different bumps and scoops there aren't many external differences from the earlier MiG-21s
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Rocket-boosted Ye-50, based on the Ye-2, with a rocket motor in the tailfin root. The Ye-50A is, AFAIK, a never-were follow-on that relocated its rocket fuel to a ventral tank.
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MiG-21MF diagram.
I suppose the internal fuel disposition might also be applicable to the MiG-21F/J-7 except for the spine-mounted tank.
'Though the illustration of the forward-most tank confuses me. Does it mean that this tank sits around the pilot?
Also, can someone comment on the cockpit visibility of the MiG-21? For example, if an inflight refueling probe is to be implemented, how high does the probe has to be when (in case of a retractable installation) extended to be visible to the pilot?
(Please see enclosed below an intellectual exercise; I directly lifted the installation from the F-100 Super Saber, and I don't expect it to stick into the finalized form.)
(https://i.imgur.com/OmwSbyz.png)
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'Though the illustration of the forward-most tank confuses me. Does it mean that this tank sits around the pilot?
That would be "No", it sits between the two frames directly behind the pilot.
(https://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=906.0;attach=31666;image)
It helps if you realise that the leading edge tank ends with a flat at the front which comes up to the fuselage between the third & fourth frames behind the pilot. The fuselage tank that it abuts sits between the second & fourth frames behind the pilot. The front-most tank sits just forward of that, directly behind the pilot's shoulders & back.
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Also, can someone comment on the cockpit visibility of the MiG-21? For example, if an inflight refueling probe is to be implemented, how high does the probe has to be when (in case of a retractable installation) extended to be visible to the pilot?
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The Finnish Air Force Museum has 360 cockpit views in their Virtual Museum. Visibility looks pretty OK to me.
https://ilmavoimamuseo.fi/virtualmuseum/ (Their MiG-21 F13 is number 22 on the floor plan. Click that to get in the cockpit)
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It helps if you realise that the leading edge tank ends with a flat at the front which comes up to the fuselage between the third & fourth frames behind the pilot. The fuselage tank that it abuts sits between the second & fourth frames behind the pilot. The front-most tank sits just forward of that, directly behind the pilot's shoulders & back.
Got it! :smiley:
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Also, can someone comment on the cockpit visibility of the MiG-21? For example, if an inflight refueling probe is to be implemented, how high does the probe has to be when (in case of a retractable installation) extended to be visible to the pilot?
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The Finnish Air Force Museum has 360 cockpit views in their Virtual Museum. Visibility looks pretty OK to me.
https://ilmavoimamuseo.fi/virtualmuseum/ (Their MiG-21 F13 is number 22 on the floor plan. Click that to get in the cockpit)
Nice! :smiley:
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Upon further Googling, I came across this statement/claim on the fuel system of pre-7E J-7s (which I think means every series that doesn't have the double-delta wings), which is described as a "gravity refueling design with refueling points in strategic locations across the aircraft". The one for the J-7E, OTOH, is described as "pressure refueling system that reduces time required for refueling from 30 minutes to six".
It would also appear that the the fuselage fuel tanks in the MiG-21 and J-7 (not in the wings or, in case of late-model MiG-21s, in the spine) are of a flexible/"bag" type.
Would the fuel system affect the viability of an inflight refueling probe? Or would addition of a probe necessarily introduce a pressure refueling system with it for planes that don't have one?
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(https://i.imgur.com/RRRjMPc.png)
I attempted to do a militarized Analog 144, according to the second prototype. Although I do have a few questions:
- what does the fairing on top of the tailfin contain?
- what military equipment was relocated and/or deleted out of necessity of the airframe modification and where would you suggest the equipment to be restored?
- what test equipment, if the Analog 144 has any, would be unnecessary for combat roles?
- I attempted once again to put a refueling probe (running along where the right wing and the fuselage join)...... do you foresee the current installation going over some access panel(s) and therefore needing to be re-thought?
Thanks in advance.
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- what does the fairing on top of the tailfin contain?
Cameras
- what test equipment, if the Analog 144 has any, would be unnecessary for combat roles?
Arguably all the test equipment would be unnecessary for combat roles...
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I was wondering if any of those extra fairings on the Analog 144 No. 2 contained anything necessary to the functioning of the new wings...... but then again those appear to have no existed on the preceding No. 1 anyway.
(https://i.imgur.com/jOOKzBi.png)
Also it would appear to me that the "Malcom's Hood" did not really happen until the MiG-21UPG, so I reverted the canopy to the old one with rearward periscope.
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Two versions of MiG Drakon :thumbsup:
Armed with 4 NR-30 guns :mellow:
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/MigDrakon-II.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/ysi_maniac/a/caec78e4-057f-4fe9-82f4-083a43455765/p/a8619b47-9cff-42e2-bde7-892453c6544f)
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/MigDrakon-I.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/ysi_maniac/a/caec78e4-057f-4fe9-82f4-083a43455765/p/2cae3543-96a5-4bc5-90ec-2e9bb54e3749)
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^ The inner wing is distinctively Draken - but what did you use for the rest of the wing?
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Both work. I like. :smiley: :smiley:
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^ The inner wing is distinctively Draken - but what did you use for the rest of the wing?
F-4 Phantom maybe?
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Whilst talking MiG-21, I visited my doctor of four years the other day (yep, he confirmed I'm getting old!😉), only to discover he was a MiG-21 pilot in the Afghan Air Force😯
I've hit him up for an interview in a new podcast formate I'm putting together, which he said he'll consider, which should be very interesting.
MAD
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^ The inner wing is distinctively Draken - but what did you use for the rest of the wing?
F-4 Phantom maybe?
YES
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only to discover he was a MiG-21 in the Afghan Air Force😯
He was a MiG-21 or a MiG-21 pilot? ;)
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only to discover he was a MiG-21 in the Afghan Air Force😯
He was a MiG-21 or a MiG-21 pilot? ;)
😂, Good point GTX, I best rectify that😉
MAD
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Something different:
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What might have been:
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Beautiful indeed!!
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MiG-21 AlphaJet :wub:
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/AlphaJetMiG21.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (http://"https://app.photobucket.com/u/ysi_maniac/a/caec78e4-057f-4fe9-82f4-083a43455765/p/1e6708e0-4e6b-4936-b306-a568b894e210")
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Something different:
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/fa0085f745fac4759088f8ec2f1c2fd6/88fc5970a12cb82d-f0/s1280x1920/ef846ceb151b7434029522024e281ddb9d7f8213.jpg)
Wow GTX, that's a really fascinating photo which goes a long way in explaining to me the layout of the intake, radar/shock cone and cockpit 😯👍
Cheers
MAD
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Something different:
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/fa0085f745fac4759088f8ec2f1c2fd6/88fc5970a12cb82d-f0/s1280x1920/ef846ceb151b7434029522024e281ddb9d7f8213.jpg)
Wow GTX, that's a really fascinating photo which goes a long way in explaining to me the layout of the intake, radar/shock cone and cockpit 😯👍
Cheers
MAD
Thanks for bringing this back to my attention, M.A.D. :smiley:
Is it just me or would this, in its current configuration, make an awesome basis for a sci-fi space fighter? :D
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Is it just me or would this, in its current configuration, make an awesome basis for a sci-fi space fighter? :D
My thoughts exactly