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Title: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on February 16, 2012, 05:16:16 AM

Seeing artoor_k's latest contributions to the Physical Models section (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=859.0) of the forum gave me pause to consider the subject of 2X and 3X wheeled vehicles.  In particular motorcycles, motorcycles with side car, and motor-tricycle type vehicles. 

One particular motorcycle that I am particularly impressed with is the  Rokon 2X2 motorcycle (http://www.rokon.com/) as shown in this image from the Rokon web page:

(http://www.rokon.com/img/prod_trailbreaker_lg.jpg) (http://www.rokon.com/)
Image source: Rokon 2X2 motorcycles ([url=http://www.rokon.com]www.rokon.com (http://www.rokon.com/))[/url]

Wikipedia - Rokon Motorcycles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rokon_motorcycle)
Rokon World (http://www.rokonworld.com/)

Arctic Cat Cub 2X2 Motorcycle (from the Rokon World web page) (http://www.rokonworld.com/arcticcub/cub.html)
(http://rokonworld.com/arcticcub/oldie2.jpg) (http://www.rokonworld.com/arcticcub/cub.html)
Image source: Bob Gallagher/Rokon World (http://www.rokonworld.com/)

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: kitnut617 on February 16, 2012, 05:43:33 AM

Back in the 80's I drew up this sidecar what-if.  It is supposed to be 2-Wheel Drive (possible 3-Wheel Drive too) and to use the Yamaha V-Max motor for power.
 With the bodywork removed you can see the frame is basically the floor and just a simple frame to hold the bodywork

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: elmayerle on February 16, 2012, 10:17:06 AM

So would kettenrad variations and such like fit in here?

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on February 16, 2012, 10:25:29 AM

Quote from: elmayerle on February 16, 2012, 10:17:06 AM

So would kettenrad variations and such like fit in here?

The SkKfz 2 KettenKrad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SdKfz_2) was capable of operation without the handlebar/wheel assembly mounted so it was more of a full-tracked vehicle and not a motorcycle or motor-tricycle. 
Your call on whether to include it here or to just start a new discussion topic. 

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: kitnut617 on February 16, 2012, 10:34:43 PM

On my sidecar idea, I came up with a plan on how to have everything  in the frame (almost everything).  I chose the Yamaha V-Max engine because of it's layout and where the gearbox drive-shaft was positioned.  To keep the un-sprung weight down to a minimum, the wheel hubs wouldn't have a crown gear in them (like most shaft drive motorcycles do), the crown gear housing would be in the frame and the crown & pinion axis perpendicular to the engine. I also went this way because I needed a differential in the loop, because of the different turn radius the front and back wheels have, the differential would also be a 'Posi-Track' limited slip type.  The engine itself, I turned around. One reason was so the driveshaft would be at the front on the engine, second reason was so the exhaust could run straight back and a third reson was so the airbox for the fuel injectors would be place over the gearbox so being infront of the engine and in the cold air.

The frame itself is quite deep, the idea here was it would hold the fuel and also any other storage needed for liquids.  I'd have a part of it as an oil tank which would also act as a cooler.  Th frame would be made from aluminum as would be the sub-frame which holds the seat and the dummy tank (really the airbox housing)

A friend of mine had a Yamaha Venturer which has the same engine as the V-Max (except it's tuned differently)so I spent a couple of days one weekend measuring up the engine.  My brother had a new Suzuki Motocrosser which had a neat suspension idea, which I also had a good look at and made a few measurements of that.  All the suspension on the sidecar is based on this system.

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: kitnut617 on February 16, 2012, 10:45:34 PM

While designing the suspension I discovered something which might explain why 'center-hub' steering has not been successful in motorcycle road racing.  In short, it makes the wheel wobble from side to side during it's suspension travel up and down.  If the wheels are dead in-line everything works fine, but as soon as you turn the front wheel left or right, as the wheel goes through it's suspension travel I could not get the geometry to keep the wheel from having an osculation. It's not very much but if a racer was traveling at around 190-200 mph it would be very alarming.

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: raafif on February 17, 2012, 07:38:03 AM

what's wrong with one-wheel designs ??

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s34/hobgrot/r2.jpg)

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: Weaver on February 20, 2012, 03:50:44 AM

Nice one Kitnut - The thing that's always struck me with multi-wheel drive designs is that hydraulic motors would be the way to go, i.e. the engine drive a hydraulic pump instead of a gearbox and that supplied pressure to motors in each hub. I know there are issues to solve about heat, but it has been done a number of times, so the issues must be solvable.

I built a bike for a commission at the start of last year, and a couple of things struck me:

1. The bike model aftermarket parts scene is almost non-existent. You can get stuff like cables and pipes that mainly intended for cars, and there are few specific upgrade kits for a few models, but it's nothing liek the aircraft or military vehicle scenes.

2. It's remarkably hard to customise a bike model, partly because the lack of alternative parts (see above) means that you have to butcher another kit to get just about anything, and partly because of the way they're made. When you're "chopping" a real bike, one of the easier jobs is making a longer chain to deal with the fact that you've either increased the engine-to-wheel distance or changed the sprocket sizes. On bike models though, this is very hard, because the chain and sprockets are usually moulded in one piece, and even if you grafted extra bits of chain into the middle, the angle that the chain comes off the sprockets would still be wrong. There are aftermarket "real chain" kits, but they cost the earth and are geared towards specific racing bikes, which means they're usually quite short.

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: apophenia on February 21, 2012, 11:15:35 AM

kitnut: Thanks for that. Very interesting design exercise on the frame!

Weaver: Have you investigated the weight on the hydraulics drives that you'd need for a bike? Looked into hydraulic pumps for UAVs but concluded that weight usually outweighed (no pun intended!) any benefits. I'd be curious to know if it's different for bikes.

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: Daryl J. on February 21, 2012, 12:08:30 PM

My friend Paul has a Rokon.    Fast it ain't.  Unstoppable it nearly is.   

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 18, 2012, 07:12:11 PM

What about a modern version of the classic WWII German motorcycle and sidecar recon combo?

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: ChernayaAkula on May 18, 2012, 09:07:57 PM

Quote from: GTX_Admin on May 18, 2012, 07:12:11 PM

What about a modern version of the classic WWII German motorcycle and sidecar recon combo?

Yeah!  :) Motorcycle and sidecar + Milan ATGM launcher and a couple of reloads = lotsa dead Soviet tanks in the Fulda Gap! Maybe even more effective across the North German Plains with the rapidly changing terrain of around a kilometre or two of open field interspersed with strips of forest + lots of small waterways.

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 19, 2012, 01:28:01 AM

That one might even need a small trailer to carry extra missile reloads.

It would be damn tempting to model though!

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 06, 2012, 03:59:57 AM

Does anyone produce kits of modern offroad motorcycles in 1/35?

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on June 06, 2012, 04:28:14 AM

Quote from: GTX_Admin on June 06, 2012, 03:59:57 AM

Does anyone produce kits of modern offroad motorcycles in 1/35?

DML/Dragon had/has a U.S. Army light infantry figure set that provides one MotoCross bike with rider.

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: jcf on June 06, 2012, 04:34:42 AM

Tamiya did a Honda XLR250R in their J.G.S.D.F. Recon kit :
http://www.interlog.com/~khartlen/kits/tamiya/35245/overview.htm (http://www.interlog.com/~khartlen/kits/tamiya/35245/overview.htm)

... and Dragon did a Kawasaki KLR250 in kit 3009 'U.S. Light Infantry'.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dragon-1-35-3009-US-Light-Infantry-Worlds-Elite-Force-Series-/140636724179 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dragon-1-35-3009-US-Light-Infantry-Worlds-Elite-Force-Series-/140636724179)

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: jcf on June 06, 2012, 05:06:20 AM

Oh, yeah, the Bandai UC Hardgraph Ramba Ral Commando Set includes a B.M.C. Z78/2:

http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10051249 (http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10051249)

(http://www.1999.co.jp/itbig05/10051249a.jpg)

http://gundam.wikia.com/wiki/B.M.C._Z78/2 (http://gundam.wikia.com/wiki/B.M.C._Z78/2)

 ;)

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: kengeorge on June 09, 2012, 02:46:29 AM

Hi Guys,
I had been trawling the Daily Mail website & thought I'd share this, as it started out as a three-wheeler, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2156474/Reliant-Robin-owner-fed-Jeremy-Clarkson-declares-war-armed-tank-version-wheeler.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2156474/Reliant-Robin-owner-fed-Jeremy-Clarkson-declares-war-armed-tank-version-wheeler.html)
Made me smile.
Ken...

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: raafif on June 09, 2012, 10:08:11 AM

Ha ha ! take that Clarkson !

The guy has cheated by removing the roof, windscreen etc, all lowering its center of gravity -- the wide, long track makes it much more stable.  Judging by the sealed doors & that outboard on the back .... it's amphibious too !!

       So it's no longer a Reliant Robin -- as a not-very-happy Robin passenger, I still endorse Clarkson's opinion of the standard vehicle :icon_twisted:

"vehicles with tracks don’t require MOTs" -- bet that changes when he puts this on the road !

Do wonder if this guy will get a production contract from the SAS 8)

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: raafif on June 13, 2012, 12:37:21 PM

kiwi Hells Angels ....
(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s34/hobgrot/mc3.jpg)

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: Frank3k on June 14, 2012, 09:07:28 AM

I made a rugeddized Mazda K360 a few years ago:

http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,22654.msg326866.html#msg326866 (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,22654.msg326866.html#msg326866)

(http://frank.bol.ucla.edu/Images/K360/k360j.jpg)

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: Thiel on August 09, 2012, 06:37:12 PM

There is of course always the Danish Nimbus with a 20mm AT gun in the side car.

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: Weaver on August 09, 2012, 07:09:31 PM

Quote from: Thiel on August 09, 2012, 06:37:12 PM

There is of course always the Danish Nimbus with a 20mm AT gun in the side car.

Ah, The Mighty Nimbus! (as the Danish owner of another site I go on calls it  ;D)

(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d165/hws5mp/nimbus.jpg)

Note that the headlight glass is broken, either from the muzzle blast or the recoil..... ;D

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: Weaver on August 09, 2012, 07:15:10 PM

If you wanted to do a 1/76th version of Frank's excellent Mazda, you could always start from one of these:

(http://www.dapol.co.uk/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/873b1e85d0eb66d37d0ba8cec614b5fe.jpg)

Dapol Scammell Scarab (http://www.dapol.co.uk/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=107&category_id=25&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=59)

I've got one in the stash, although my thought is to turn it into a 3-ski aerosan.... >:D

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: Thiel on August 09, 2012, 08:05:40 PM

How about mounting a single tube CRV7 launcher (they actually make those) on the back of a trike?
Or in a side-car like the 20mm gun on the Nimbus? (Dismount to fire. Can in a pinch be fired while mounted.)

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 20, 2014, 03:59:53 AM

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ADuG8i7Nl0M/UsOK3Hs6eII/AAAAAAAASVM/GjotECU2Fqc/s1600/Tractor+bike.jpg)

 ;D

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: Kerick on April 20, 2014, 07:12:28 AM

Quote from: GTX_Admin on April 20, 2014, 03:59:53 AM

([url]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ADuG8i7Nl0M/UsOK3Hs6eII/AAAAAAAASVM/GjotECU2Fqc/s1600/Tractor+bike.jpg[/url])

 ;D

You might be a redneck if.......

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 12, 2014, 04:57:05 AM

Wicked!

(http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/60/c4/8f/60c48f16483ea3e8f3f92afc27c0d7fc.jpg)
(http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/e0/e2/ec/e0e2ec93dad767a931ace2c5f913a566.jpg)

More here (http://rocket-garage.blogspot.ca/2012/08/pregnat-duck.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+blogspot/MvENa+(RocketGarage))

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: kitnut617 on July 12, 2014, 07:13:11 AM

I like that  :)

My personal fav' is this one. It's a Honda concept bike which appeared at a Tokyo Motorcycle Show some years ago and called an Evo6

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 07, 2019, 02:40:04 AM

(https://twistedsifter.files.wordpress.com/2018/07/tmc-dumont-motorcycle-by-tarso-marques-12.jpg?w=800&h=533&zoom=2)

More (https://twistedsifter.com/2018/07/tmc-dumont-motorcycle-by-tarso-marques/)

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: Kerick on January 07, 2019, 03:20:06 AM

It looks awesome but he never did go around a corner in the video. It appears it can only go straight down the street. Still quite a wild concept bike.

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 11, 2019, 04:05:29 AM

The times, they are a changing....electric Harley-Davidson:  https://www.harley-davidson.com/au/en/motorcycles/future-vehicles/livewire.html#IhQw708aPDDWZ7Qz.97 (https://www.harley-davidson.com/au/en/motorcycles/future-vehicles/livewire.html#IhQw708aPDDWZ7Qz.97)

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: Old Wombat on January 11, 2019, 07:42:48 AM

The OMCG members ain't gunna like 'em, they look Japanese! ;D

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: Rickshaw on January 11, 2019, 08:21:58 AM

Does it come with a massive loudspeak attached for the vroom to be heard for miles around?

I hate Harley-Davidson motorbikes. I lived for three years opposite some drug dealers in Canberra and they were visited at all hours of the day and night by Harley riding customers.   >:D

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 12, 2019, 02:45:25 AM

It might actually be a smart move.  How many of the HD buyers these days are those wanting to feel like a rebel...though still want to do the right thing.  I'm thinking the Wild Hogs style here. ;)

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: jcf on January 12, 2019, 03:56:19 AM

Harley-Davidson is America's biggest cosplay supplier.  ;D ;D :icon_fsm:

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on January 12, 2019, 06:26:29 AM

CosPlay plus LARP (Live Action Role-Playing)

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: Volkodav on January 13, 2019, 05:08:25 PM

Something that caught my eye, simple, a little retro and real world for an affordable price.

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 09, 2019, 02:40:04 AM

(https://66.media.tumblr.com/458b30937a978b50f31baad908791e1c/tumblr_oismdwthNG1su255fo1_1280.pnj)

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on April 09, 2019, 04:57:44 AM

Beats NASCAR and MX for the fun factor :smiley:

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: ChernayaAkula on April 09, 2019, 06:28:57 AM

Well, whaddayaknow.... Mad Max was a documentary! :o

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 10, 2019, 02:02:28 AM

1936 BMW R12 (Schneekrad):

(https://66.media.tumblr.com/4e2cf43139eb192acb337b2f5e080881/tumblr_n68qrgjQyI1su255fo1_1280.jpg)
(https://66.media.tumblr.com/cfcee498d7bdd47b8b71f652aa9df5c4/tumblr_n68qrgjQyI1su255fo2_1280.jpg)
(https://66.media.tumblr.com/484ca62beb33289073d6b3d6f5f2e9d0/tumblr_n68qrgjQyI1su255fo3_640.jpg)

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: Story on May 08, 2020, 11:25:15 PM

The 2029 Majestic

Taking cues from the classic French 1929 Majestic, the custom ride features a fully enclosed sculptured aluminum body, hub-centric steering and sleek lines like its hundred-year-old predecessor. But that’s where the similarities end. Penned by Bryan Fuller, the futuristic riff features 3D-printed titanium parts, transparent polycarbonate wheels—unlike the original, they have no spokes—and is fitted with an electric engine.

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/insane-electric-motorcycle-made-using-220002826.html (https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/insane-electric-motorcycle-made-using-220002826.html)

I had to look up the original Majestic https://www.bikeexif.com/majestic-motorcycle (https://www.bikeexif.com/majestic-motorcycle)

Looks like something one of those Art Deco Superheroes would have rode.

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: GTX_Admin on October 13, 2020, 02:39:42 AM

(http://thekneeslider.com/images/radialmotorcycle.jpg)(http://thekneeslider.com/images/radialbike.jpg)(http://thekneeslider.com/images/radialbike2.jpg)

https://thekneeslider.com/radial-engine-powered-motorcycle/ (https://thekneeslider.com/radial-engine-powered-motorcycle/)

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: Old Wombat on October 13, 2020, 06:20:56 AM

 :icon_surprised: ;D ;D ;D 8)

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: apophenia on October 13, 2020, 08:32:59 AM

Wow!

Quote from: GTX_Admin on October 13, 2020, 02:39:42 AM

https://thekneeslider.com/radial-engine-powered-motorcycle/ (https://thekneeslider.com/radial-engine-powered-motorcycle/)

Lots of work to reverse the drive shaft direction. Possibly a daft question but ... why couldn't the whole engine simply be turned back-to-front?

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: elmayerle on October 13, 2020, 09:18:58 AM

Quote from: apophenia on October 13, 2020, 08:32:59 AM

Lots of work to reverse the drive shaft direction. Possibly a daft question but ... why couldn't the whole engine simply be turned back-to-front?

I'm not certain, but I suspect the configuration of the cooling fins may make this the better direction

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: Old Wombat on October 13, 2020, 10:18:17 AM

Quote from: elmayerle on October 13, 2020, 09:18:58 AM

Quote from: apophenia on October 13, 2020, 08:32:59 AM

Lots of work to reverse the drive shaft direction. Possibly a daft question but ... why couldn't the whole engine simply be turned back-to-front?

I'm not certain, but I suspect the configuration of the cooling fins may make this the better direction

Plus fuel pump, oil pump, CSD/magnetos, etc., are hanging off the back of the engine. Look silly if they were poking forward. ;)

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: kitnut617 on October 13, 2020, 10:21:31 PM

Couple of other pics

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: kitnut617 on October 13, 2020, 10:36:35 PM

Internet search reveals this is not a new idea, many early motorcycles has radial engines as you can see here.

https://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1322&bih=726&ei=ELqFX4_vEoP3-gSTiJCQCA&q=radial+engine+motorcycle&oq=radial+engined+motorcycle&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQARgAMgYIABAKEBg6CAgAELEDEIMBOgUIABCxAzoCCAA6BAgAEBhQ4wpYpEVgrlhoAHAAeACAAd0BiAGBFpIBBzEwLjE0LjGYAQCgAQGqAQtnd3Mtd2l6LWltZw&sclient=img (https://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1322&bih=726&ei=ELqFX4_vEoP3-gSTiJCQCA&q=radial+engine+motorcycle&oq=radial+engined+motorcycle&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQARgAMgYIABAKEBg6CAgAELEDEIMBOgUIABCxAzoCCAA6BAgAEBhQ4wpYpEVgrlhoAHAAeACAAd0BiAGBFpIBBzEwLjE0LjGYAQCgAQGqAQtnd3Mtd2l6LWltZw&sclient=img)

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: Story on November 22, 2021, 12:39:52 AM

Capt. Elise Reniger of the Women's Machine Gun Squad, Police Reserves, New  York City, takes aim with a Lewis machine gun.  Miss Helen M. Striffler is in the rear seat, and Mrs. Ivan Farasoff is driving the Harley-Davidson. August 1st, 1918.
See also https://catalog.archives.gov/id/31474831
&
https://toliveonthewind.blogspot.com/2013/04/harley-davidson-1918-model-j-sidecar.html

 (https://scontent-lga3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/p180x540/259781952_4690097464382750_4552064049501663011_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=9267fe&_nc_ohc=MX1g6RR4UtQAX-rSXGd&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-2.xx&oh=d2abb53bba89d86a839044c42feca6a6&oe=61A047C6)

(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/5b/cb/91/5bcb91e8a9d2a2cf83d5f20b36dd4b34.jpg)

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: Frank3k on November 22, 2021, 02:34:01 AM

A WWII version could be made with the Zvezda M-72 or BMW R12 kit providing the sidecar and one of the the available 1/35 Harley-Davidsons.

I looked up the women in the photo - I couldn't find anything about the driver (the last name is probably misspelled) but:
Elise M Reniger Birth: 29 Sep 1896 New York  Death: 28 Sep 1941 Los Angeles
Helen Marie Striffler Birth: May 8 1893 Death: Oct 26 1980

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: Story on December 30, 2021, 01:40:51 AM

(https://preview.redd.it/blgjh8qmwd881.png?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=43b28e0d85cada8206dd1bf1c4bec5398d93d0e3)

Roland was a warrior from the Land of the Midnight Sun
With a Thompson gun for hire, fighting to be done
The deal was made in Denmark on a dark and stormy day
So he set out for Biafra to join the bloody fray

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: Frank3k on December 30, 2021, 02:37:37 AM

Tactical meter maid!

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: jcf on December 30, 2021, 05:40:03 AM

A 1/9th WWII version could be made with the Zvezda M-72 or BMW R12
ESCI/Italeri BMW or Zundapp kits providing the sidecar and the one of the
available 1/35 ESCI/Italeri Harley-Davidson.
 ;)

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: Story on April 09, 2022, 02:03:40 AM

US 6th Armored M32B1 Tracked recovery vehicles at a crossroads Southwest of Frankfurt Germany - March/April 1945

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(https://scontent-lga3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/278176120_466070375312560_5202792338124916589_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=KV7V8fcV3CUAX-oVYvL&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-2.xx&oh=00_AT9i6EURbt8V9vH5YBG-_GFirO9aukhUMpUR5ETGB9HWeA&oe=62563D1D)(https://scontent-lga3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/278089310_466070495312548_3688705240524795525_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=8IYIclvDPZsAX_udSe8&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-2.xx&oh=00_AT8dWEeUWd0L-g2N0sIbqIE7IYX8H8atpSiReOuwOWokvQ&oe=625636C2)(https://scontent-lga3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/278075605_466070428645888_1874029974743068188_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=oJ57PzVSPlMAX8VM5qi&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-2.xx&oh=00_AT9TlYeut_HuQy5J7zvV-QXZs25gzWkXBi2kKFScYYpCSw&oe=62561442)

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: Story on April 09, 2022, 02:04:19 AM

(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/af/62/05/af62055201174540aa967a8a621e0c9a.jpg)

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 09, 2022, 03:42:15 AM

 :smiley:

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 09, 2022, 03:52:22 AM

Don't forget this kit is available:

(https://miniaturmodelle.net/image/cache/catalog/products/IMG_m_72_Motorrad_Mörser-930x750.jpg)

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: Story on April 10, 2022, 07:01:57 PM

I got enough projects, but that M-72 looks ripe to be hauling an SPG-9
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/20/f1/1e/20f11eee97fb77f5b34981d3d68548c6.jpg)

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: Story on January 29, 2023, 05:54:11 AM

1937, Benelli M36 tricycle.

Review & test-drive (subtitled)
https://youtu.be/sjew2bnfIgc (https://youtu.be/sjew2bnfIgc)

Kit https://www.scalemates.com/kits/model-victoria-4035-mototriciclo-benelli-m36--197474 (https://www.scalemates.com/kits/model-victoria-4035-mototriciclo-benelli-m36--197474)

(https://motos-of-war.ru/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/benelli-m36-archive-08.jpg)

The tough parts

(https://motos-of-war.ru/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/benelli-m36-restoration-web-78-768x512.jpg)

(https://motos-of-war.ru/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/benelli-m36-restoration-web-118-1024x683.jpg)

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: Story on March 29, 2023, 08:32:16 PM

(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/338140678_231978429362528_5636098239254205359_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=wtdRbPS1dxgAX-jkuvB&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.xx&oh=00_AfAjhUJE0Jq7sq0ZYGtJH1yD4dIRkMNScdBa3rd47b_YIw&oe=6429C79B)

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 30, 2023, 01:46:25 AM

 :smiley:

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: Frank3k on March 30, 2023, 06:47:36 AM

I hope that's just a hose and pump, because that looks like it can't carry more than a six pack worth of fluids.

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: Story on March 30, 2023, 06:49:43 AM

Quote from: Frank3k on March 30, 2023, 06:47:36 AM

I hope that's just a hose and pump, because that looks like it can't carry more than a six pack worth of fluids.

Don't forget the (presumably full) bladders of the two or three Firemen riding it.

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: Story on April 12, 2023, 05:48:48 PM

(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/38/e4/4e/38e44e51af3e222ff9ec35c24400cc55.jpg)(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/72/51/1b/72511b478ccc1da580be4142da83c003.jpg)(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/ca/26/78/ca26783563254868d6fb5b97270e3db6.jpg)

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 13, 2023, 01:02:18 AM

I like the idea of a version with a ATGM (say, Milan) in the sidecar

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: Frank3k on April 13, 2023, 01:02:52 AM

The picture with the US soldiers in Iraq on an Ural/Dnepr M-72 with a sidecar is pretty cool.

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: GTX_Admin on September 01, 2023, 03:36:28 AM

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e68/GTwiner/320157033_908419673660182_3364579919987640560_n.jpg)

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: Story on November 16, 2023, 05:14:41 PM

(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/53/83/38/538338d97f192842119be1ab9fe4cd93.jpg)

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: GTX_Admin on November 17, 2023, 02:10:42 AM

What is it?

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: Story on November 17, 2023, 03:22:40 AM

Quote from: GTX_Admin on November 17, 2023, 02:10:42 AM

What is it?

I have no idea, nothing on google images or tineye but given that the gun looks like something Soviet with spade grips. I couldn't track the watermark

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: GTX_Admin on November 17, 2023, 03:29:12 AM

Found it:

(https://preview.redd.it/6roh3q1sv6r71.jpg?auto=webp&s=a7991fb5c4b9d90e0a6422e59ab9a7764b726d12)

Looks to be Italian Moto Guzzi military motor trike, machine gun carrier

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: Story on November 17, 2023, 03:32:48 AM

Quote from: GTX_Admin on November 17, 2023, 03:29:12 AM

Found it:
Looks to be Italian Moto Guzzi military motor trike, machine gun carrier

Did you find a URL with information as well?

Nevermind - Reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/tanks/comments/q0d5ov/italian_moto_guzzi_military_motor_trike_machine/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/tanks/comments/q0d5ov/italian_moto_guzzi_military_motor_trike_machine/)

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: Story on November 20, 2023, 07:34:16 AM

Pre-WW2 Fabrique Nationale in France somewhere.

 (https://i.imgur.com/d9icoeu.png)   (https://i.imgur.com/19R8oMK.png)

Possibly a Fabrique Nationale 1925
(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/31/de/24/31de24ea05c56e8221d0856cd035f1bd.jpg)

By the end of World War I, after having to manufacture motorcycles for their occupiers, FN had few parts left, and some suppliers had gone. From 1921 the letter "T" was added to model names. The Type 700T Four had a three-speed gearbox. In 1922 the Type 285TT single had an improved cylinder head. Also the first racer, the Type VII was built.[2]

From 1924, all models had the less expensive chain drive. Most of these were sv and ohv 348 cc and 498 cc singles. The FN M70 "Sahara" 348cc side valve was the most produced FN motorcycle of the interwar period. It was famous for as the name says crossing the Sahara in the 1920s. The FN M90 was as 498cc side valve which was produced in the 1930s. There were also 596 cc ohv machines. The FN M86 is very nice example of a 498cc ohv built in the 1930s. From 1924 FN single-cylinder engines changed from semi unit construction (as seen in the last semi-unit single, the 1922 FN 285TT, in its last year of sale in 1924,) to unit construction engines (as seen in the new-for-1924 M.60). A new chain driven M.50 Four was released with a new Amac carburettor and front brakes.[3] In 1931 a Villiers 198 cc two-stroke FN model appeared. In 1938, the M.12 992 cc air-cooled sv flat twin was built for military use, and the all alloy M.11 was released in 350 cc ohv, 500 cc sv and 600 cc sv models. Then World War II intervened. An M.12 Tri-car was developed and produced for military use.[3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_(motorcycle)

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: Marderman on November 28, 2023, 04:51:06 PM

Hello,
In October I visited the Technik Museum in Sinsheim, Germany. There were also funny motorcycles.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53247248202_54fdbffd9f_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2p8h4Mu) auf Flickr

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53248623190_a3340ca554_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2p8p7wb) auf Flickr

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53248623215_d79f8eb5c5_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2p8p7wB)auf Flickr

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53247248247_24196c2d00_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2p8h4Ng) auf Flickr

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53248623295_b6e762c66a_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2p8p7xZ) auf Flickr

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53248621745_d13c8a3809_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2p8p76g) auf Flickr

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53248484809_9f52ae3615_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2p8opoi) auf Flickr

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53248484909_64e17e0ed8_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2p8opq2) auf Flickr

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53248124071_91dfaa3c81_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2p8my9F) auf Flickr

If you are more interested you can also look in the album, where the descriptions are also in German
https://www.flickr.com/photos/142700047@N02/albums/72177720311838483 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/142700047@N02/albums/72177720311838483)

Title: Re: 2X and 3X Wheeled Vehicles (Motorcycles and Motor-Tricycles)
Post by: GTX_Admin on November 29, 2023, 01:37:43 AM

 :smiley: