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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #25 on: February 08, 2015, 02:09:21 AM »
Thanks a lot! I mean: your words prove that the HP-51B and 51D are no more top secret, with their huge V-3300 Double-Merlin engine (5,000hp)...
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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #26 on: February 08, 2015, 02:42:35 AM »
Now stop about past secret aircraft, let us speak of... future aircraft (not yet Real): my 5 year-old son jacky urged me to draw this egg-Mustang (jackstang) to be built in million copies (scale 1) in 2040, and half of them will be floatplanes for tourism:

Now I let him type on icons (he loves that...): ;) :icon_fsm: :icon_music:

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #27 on: February 08, 2015, 03:34:35 PM »
The Prin-38A (best-seller of the late 1940s) is not easy to build but easy to draw...:
Do you know that the Saro Princess was the Prin-100? (Prin-cent in French) and there have been many giants between the Prin-38 and the Prin-100; among them were the Prin-51 Mustbus and twin-51: Prin-82 Twin-Mustbus (the Twin-Princess was a derivative of the latter one):

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #28 on: February 08, 2015, 03:52:17 PM »
Them be 6 & 8 engined beauties.  Specially in styrene :-*

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #29 on: February 08, 2015, 07:05:18 PM »
my 5 year-old son jacky urged me to draw this egg-Mustang (jackstang) to be built in million copies (scale 1) in 2040, and half of them will be floatplanes for tourism:
The same with the cartoon-Lightning of Jacky:

 :icon_fsm: ;) :icon_music:

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #30 on: February 08, 2015, 07:31:35 PM »
Of course, Daddy Tophe knew a Twin-Jackstang JK-51Z was a possible extra-fun, with intermeshing 4-blade propellers to have more thrill... But let's be serious a little, and the marine JK-51ZH was safer:

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #31 on: February 08, 2015, 08:28:22 PM »
In the universe of cartoons, there is no drag (of floats or else) to counteract, but a third engine could be added to the Sea-Jackning, just for fun (or beauty contest):

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #32 on: February 08, 2015, 10:03:36 PM »
The Sea-Jackning family includes of course twin-planes (Zwillings) and asymmetric jokes (for collectors):

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #33 on: February 08, 2015, 10:47:05 PM »
And a glider Sea-Jackning-Zero is being tugged in the air by the powerful single-seater Sea-Jackning-6e:

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #34 on: February 09, 2015, 03:06:22 AM »
Asymmetric Sea-Jacknings are a rich family:

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #35 on: February 09, 2015, 03:31:07 AM »
No, seriously, here is the jet-sea-Lightning (now jets can eat chickens but at that time they were broken by drops of water):

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #36 on: February 09, 2015, 08:07:24 PM »
The single-jet, single main-float variant featured a V-tail:

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #37 on: February 09, 2015, 08:20:32 PM »
The 3-jet version was very similar (V-tail)... and very different (a flying boat, not a floatplane)...:

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #38 on: February 10, 2015, 03:45:49 AM »
The Prin-38A (best-seller of the late 1940s) is not easy to build but easy to draw...:
there have been many giants between the Prin-38 and the Prin-100; among them were the Prin-51 Mustbus and twin-51: Prin-82 Twin-Mustbus (the Twin-Princess was a derivative of the latter one):
The Lockheed engineers hated to see the appearance of this Twin-Mustbus, saying "we should have been the ones designing it!", and they urgently answered with the designs Prin-38B and 38C:

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #39 on: February 11, 2015, 03:04:17 AM »
The Prin-38D had no more the look of a P-38, but it was a derivative of the Prin-38B linking to the Lightning family:
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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #40 on: February 11, 2015, 05:26:01 PM »
I was running out of ideas : of which P-51 (or P-38) could I invent a seaplane derivative? My 5-year-old son Jacky had an idea: "daddy, please draw a sock-plane!" (avion-chaussette in French). "I will call it Shoshel!" (Chochél or Choshelle in French)... So here is the source (SO-51D) I will base my next seaplanes on:

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #41 on: February 11, 2015, 08:13:45 PM »
Floatplanes have a little problem about lateral stability. The Sea-Soshell introduced a new solution:

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #42 on: February 12, 2015, 03:08:49 AM »
This evening, my son jacky wanted "a very sharp aircraft to sting the monster". This is it:

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #43 on: February 12, 2015, 08:08:14 AM »
The ST-51B was different, with a jet-intake. The US Navy technical documentation explains why: "a drunk pilot bailing out increases the jet performance, this is called 'alcohol push' ":

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #44 on: February 13, 2015, 01:16:19 AM »
The Twin-Starjacks ST-82B, D, E were two-seaters (in case one of the pilot is too afraid of the monster and bails out before reaching the target...):

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #45 on: February 13, 2015, 02:10:31 AM »
There were also twin-planes (Zwillings) among jet-sea-Lightnings, and that made rare W tailplanes like the Fouga Gémeaux:

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #46 on: February 13, 2015, 07:33:47 PM »
In 1946, many P-38 experienced pilots became civilian pilots of twin-hull flying boats TH-38:

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #47 on: February 14, 2015, 03:31:14 AM »
I was running out of ideas : of which P-51 (or P-38) could I invent a seaplane derivative? My 5-year-old son Jacky had an idea: "daddy, please draw a sock-plane!" (avion-chaussette in French).
Same situation again... and my little boy said: "Daddy, please draw an aircraft dinosaure!". I was ready to say "it is not possible, my dear", while... I tried. And he coloured it... Now I just have to take the marine plesiosaure basis instead of the land brachiosaure, and this will be 'appropriate' for here... (It is not crazy: the truth of tomorrow will be the idea of current children...):

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #48 on: February 14, 2015, 01:18:06 PM »
 :icon_crap: It seems the drawing above produced like a tempest among prehistotic scientist experts... I received an angry mail from Pr Peter F. Miller:
"I deny completely that the skin of the Mustangosaure was dotted to hide from predators in flower fields (and that the skin of the Plesiosaure was dotted to hide from predators in waterlilly fields), no this is childish fantasy. Of course, Mustangosaure bones have been discovered in America, and Plesiostaure bones have been discovered in China, but the DN-51 code was not at all in Dinosaur language, just a classification in human museum!"

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #49 on: February 14, 2015, 02:24:51 PM »
Those prehistoric museum seems very interesting... We required what was classified as DN-38 and got this (unsure drawings, to be confirmed):