Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks

[Mark Aldrich]

The Roland is made in resin 1/35 by a Spanish company called Nimix.

http://www.nimix.net/paginas%20de%20items/3501%20AMX30%20Roland_ingles.htm

There is also one made by Militarmodellbau but I can't seem to find a store or web site.

[GTX_Admin]

Hmmm...might have to get a Roland.

[Mark Aldrich]

The "other" Roland is mounted on what I think is a modified Marder Chassis.  Here is a link to it....

http://www.modellboard.net/index.php?topic=23156.0

[raafif]

The Germans also mounted the Roland on a MAN 8x8 truck and the USA mounted it on a modified M-109 chassis ..... but I do prefer the Marder-IFV version

[Volkodav]

I remember seeing a Marder Rapier combo in a 1970's edition of Janes (I think Armour and Artillery).  It was a retactable version of the standard four missile towed launcher permitting under armour reloading.

[apophenia]

^ Maybe a Leo 1 with the turret (or a development thereof) of a Begleitpanzer (LINK)?

Sort of like the Canadian Leopard C2A4 on page 2?   
http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=1300.msg16485#msg16485

[arkon]

GTX=what is that option number three on your last pic?......dual linked railguns? ;)lol

[GTX_Admin]

GTX=what is that option number three on your last pic?......dual linked railguns? ;)lol

1. 2A42 automatic gun (caliber 30 mm); 
Launcher of Konkurs ATGM (caliber 135 mm ; quantity 2 pcs); 

2. 2A42 automatic gun (caliber 30 mm); 
AGS-17 automatic grenade launcher (caliber 30 mm); 

3. 2A38 twin-barrel submachine gun 30mm  (caliber 135 mm ; quantity 2 pcs); 
  
4. NSV anti-air-machine gun (caliber 12.7 mm); 
Launcher of Konkurs ATGM (caliber 135 mm ; quantity 2 pcs); 

5. NSV anti-air machine gun (caliber 12.7 mm); 
AGS-17 automatic grenade launcher (caliber 30 mm). 

* The installation of NATO armament complexes is also available

[kitnut617]

3. 2A38 twin-barrel submachine gun 30mm  (caliber 135 mm ; quantity 2 pcs); 
   

A 30mm submachine gun   

[GTX_Admin]

Blame a bad translation somewhere - in reality, the 2A38 is a 30mm auto cannon.  In fact, it is the same one as on the Tunguska Air Defence system.

[kitnut617]

I was having visions of troops being genetically altered into Hulks just to handle it Greg   

[arkon]

30mm submachine gun, the reason space marines came to be!

[elmayerle]

30mm submachine gun, the reason space marines came to be!

That reminds me of the Marines of John Ringo's & "Doc" Taylor's Vorpal Blade series where one of them in powered armor has a pair of pistols made from .50 caliber Barretts.  I do highly recommend the series for good mil SF reading.

[GTX_Admin]

Random idea:  what if the XM-150 152 mm gun/launcher from the MBT-70 had been carried over for the Leo2?

[GTX_Admin]

Flowing on from discussion in the Takom tank models thread: Whatif rather than getting M1s, the ARA is forced to go with a "cheaper" option of upgrading the Leo1s.  They give them a major hull overhaul , possibly a new/improved engine, MEXAS armour, new fire control system, new 120mm gun etc, etc…

The resulting vehicle would have aspects from both the Leo 1A6 and the Leo1 C2 with Mexas:





Maybe call it a Leopard 1A6 (AS2)?

[Gingie]

Some real world Leo1 proposals:

MLRS:

I am really digging that RS-80! Mike Shackleton says there's one in a German museum. Anyone know which one?

[elmayerle]

that second one looks real close to the missile-tube portion of the GLCM TEL.  I wonder if you could do tactical, non-nuke, GLCM launchers that way?

[Gingie]

are you referring to the trailer mounted launcher towed by a MAN 8x8?

[elmayerle]

are you referring to the trailer mounted launcher towed by a MAN 8x8?

I believe so.

[Gingie]

it *does* look a bit like that! Hmm...

[Zaskar24]

Given the Leo 1 has a 105mm gun, an 88 would be quite a downgrade.  The Germans were experimenting with 105mm & 128mm tank weapons in late WW2, so a 105mm equipped vehicle is quite valid.

Regards,

John

That is true John. :) I wonder who all makes a W.W.2 German 105mm main gun.

Really late to this conversation.  I did find someone who makes a German 10.5 cm L68 barrel for the Tiger II. 
http://zitaderdirect.cart.fc2.com/ca16/43/p-r4-s/
Hopefully I did that correctly.  It was an extremely pleasant experience and the shipping was quick as all get out.  Considering the fact that I ordered it on December 19th and it was at my house on the 24th.  Now to get a Tiger II kit to use this on.  Wash out Uncle Joe!

[Zaskar24]

Flowing on from discussion in the Takom tank models thread: Whatif rather than getting M1s, the ARA is forced to go with a "cheaper" option of upgrading the Leo1s.  They give them a major hull overhaul , possibly a new/improved engine, MEXAS armour, new fire control system, new 120mm gun etc, etc…

The resulting vehicle would have aspects from both the Leo 1A6 and the Leo1 C2 with Mexas:





Maybe call it a Leopard 1A6 (AS2)?

I was thinking something similar.  More powerful engine and transmission to handle the increased weight, possibly smaller as well to free up some room for more fuel and ammo.  Air conditioning for tropical climates as well as NBC equipment.  Just in case.  The only thing I have not been able to find a clear answer to in my searches is how many 120 mm rounds it would be able to carry.  Or go with the MGS turret possibly up-gunned to a 120 mm L44.   

[Volkodav]

Updated Leo 1s would have been ideal for reserve RAAC tank squadrons in the reserve Beersheba brigades, not state of the art I know but a fair bit more survivable than the Bushmaster IMVs and Landrovers they will have instead.  Nice easy back story though, Leopards retained an upgraded instead of being retired when the Abrams entered service, get an extra ten or fifteen years out of them before cascading the M-1A1 AIM SEPs (TUSK) down to them as the new build M-1A3s enter service.

May be time to add one of these new kits to the stash.

[ChernayaAkula]

<...>  The only thing I have not been able to find a clear answer to in my searches is how many 120 mm rounds it would be able to carry. <...>

42 rounds, according to Hilmes' "Typenkompass KPz Leopard 1".  :)

[GTX_Admin]

The only thing I have not been able to find a clear answer to in my searches is how many 120 mm rounds it would be able to carry. 

When fitted with the 120 mm smoothbore gun, 42 rounds were supposedly carried, the same as in the Leopard 2, with 13 in the turret, two ready for use and 27 in the hull.