Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks

[Story]

I'd rate this tale "true, but with mistakes'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7o8OFJyutZg

Obviously the tankers in question took their cues from KELLYS HEROES

The British did *not* deploy 105mm tanks in Afghanistan
but the Canadians did.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/05/06/in-2006-canada-deployed-leopard-1a5-tanks-to-break-up-taliban-ambushes-ukraine-take-note/?sh=569f6fc3561e

And for Marderman, https://www.artscale.eu/135-square-loudspeaker-1

or even better
https://www.ebay.com/itm/222248791281

[Gingie]

There was "allegedly" a Challenger 2 deployed inside UK Camp Bastion in Afghanistan in 2008 as a gate guard. I was surprised to hear this and asked the OC of the Role 2E when he visited us in Kandahar, "are you sure?" and with that droll British sense, he repliead along the lines of "I know what a Challenger looks like".

I've never been able to corroborate his statement though.

[Story]

Anything's possible, despite the MOD playing blind monkey
https://www.army.mod.uk/equipment/combat-vehicles

The narrator's L7 comment implying 105mm is what I used as one of the limits for ockham's razor.

Should be enough for Marderman to do his thing, ya?

https://en.defence-ua.com/analysis/canadian_leopard_1c2_mbts_in_afghanistan_how_ukraine_can_avoid_problems_with_them-6001.html




Grunt's tale keeps cracking me up.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4Db0oYKXvw

[Marderman]

Hey Story,
It works

[Story]

You'd need a soundcard w/ 140 seconds, if you were inclined to rip the narrative and turn this into an audio story-telling build.

All I've found are 120 seconds https://www.amazon.com/Greeting-Recordable-Invitations-Handmade-Products/dp/B08VR9S9LK/ref=asc_df_B08VR9S9LK/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=343221141564&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=18400563993076266270&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9007307&hvtargid=pla-1463580425267&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=70742346202&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=343221141564&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=18400563993076266270&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9007307&hvtargid=pla-1463580425267

[Story]

[Old Wombat]

You forgot Challenger 2's:

[Frank3k]

The Leopard 2A4 damaged in Zaporizhzhia earlier this week has been recovered and will be repaired . It looks like it lost some of its skirt, track and some wheels. The crew survived.

[Story]

The Leopard 2A4 damaged in Zaporizhzhia earlier this week has been recovered and will be repaired . It looks like it lost some of its skirt, track and some wheels. The crew survived.

Link?

Cause this doesn't look particularly recoverable
https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1666830782533435394?fbclid=IwAR18C5tHucoz_cp2-D3jLHKTTTh_QZwoREEh_PHKd68id-m1aJFMt-95D-Q

For the first time, a Ukrainian Leopard 2A4 tank was destroyed by the Russian army during the recent Ukrainian attack near Novopokrovka, #Zaporizhzhia Oblast.

ETA - I think this is a different Leo, Frank
https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1667145299473715200

See also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxnvb-eBrgY

[Frank3k]

ETA - I think this is a different Leo, Frank
https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1667145299473715200

That;'s the one that was recovered and fixed. i think it was part of the CF with Bradleys and the demining T-62. The other one may have been a total loss.

[GTX_Admin]

Details of recent Leopard losses:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/06/08/the-russians-just-destroyed-their-first-ukrainian-leopard-2-tank/?ss=aerospace-defense&sh=5a518a7175c9

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/06/09/the-ukrainian-army-lost-a-leopard-2-tank-and-bradley-fighting-vehicles-trying-and-failing-to-breach-russian-defenses-in-southern-ukraine/?sh=431ef7a432c9

[Frank3k]

There's video of a Bradley firing for cover, another Bradley runs over what looks like a devastating mine blast... and everybody gets out and gets into the next vehicle. Shit happens, especially in a tough environment like that. At least they weren't all in BMPs/BTRs and T-72s, and it's not comparable to the Russians in Vuldehar.

[Story]

There's video of a Bradley firing for cover, another Bradley runs over what looks like a devastating mine blast... and everybody gets out and gets into the next vehicle. Shit happens, especially in a tough environment like that. At least they weren't all in BMPs/BTRs and T-72s, and it's not comparable to the Russians in Vuldehar.

Written by a pro-Kremlinite, but the tactical analysis / AAR is excellent
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/anatomy-of-a-nato-planned-trained

[Frank3k]

Wow - you could remove 90% of his analysis. Russians will focus on this Charlie Foxtrot until the last katsap limps onto what's left of the Kersh bridge. The Ukrainians/NATO will adapt - something the Russians aren't good at. The Ukrainians need to get at least local air superiority - Ka-52 shouldn't be allowed near firing range.

[Frank3k]

Rare Leopard 2A6 "Hölzern" destroyed by Russians:



https://twitter.com/i/status/1668264322907230211

[apophenia]

Rare Leopard 2A6 "Hölzern" destroyed by Russians:

 

I might be being thick but what does Ланцет mean in this context? Is it just a play on a lancet being double-edged? Or ... ?

[Frank3k]

The Leo 2A6 "Hölzern" was taken out by a Russian (Ланцет) Lancet kamikaze drone. I think they meant it as Lancet bait.

[apophenia]

The Leo 2A6 "Hölzern" was taken out by a Russian (Ланцет) Lancet kamikaze drone. I think they meant it as Lancet bait.

Ah, of course. Thanks Frank. (I'm just going to assume that my cognitive issues can only improve with further aging!)

So, RU expends USD 40k/RUB 3,309k on the Lancet and the local ZSU troops get fresh kindling for their cook fires tonight! Nice 

[The Big Gimper]

Ukrainian football fans display a giant banner during tonight's friendly match in Bremen thanking Germany for supplying the country with Leopard 2 tanks

[Story]

Wow - you could remove 90% of his analysis. Russians will focus on this Charlie Foxtrot until the last katsap limps onto what's left of the Kersh bridge. The Ukrainians/NATO will adapt - something the Russians aren't good at. The Ukrainians need to get at least local air superiority - Ka-52 shouldn't be allowed near firing range.

Frontal assaults on fortified lines are not predicted to be easy affairs.

In December 1990, I sat in a building at Fort Knox that had a small amphitheater in it with a huge sandtable that lowered from the ceiling. The Iraqi sand forts were modeled, with 1/300th vehicles filling out the positions.

The briefer opened with "look to your left. look to your right. if we have to go through the front door, one of you will be killed and the other maimed".

[Story]

 Oryx does good BDA - it only counts if they can confirm it with imagery.

1 Leopard 2A4: (1, destroyed)
 3 Leopard 2A6: (1, destroyed) (1, abandoned) (2, abandoned)
https://postlmg.cc/sBknYK9g
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-ukrainian.html

[Frank3k]

This was just a bad situation - tough mission, maybe the intelligence was faulty or they hit a pocket of slightly competent Russians - or some combination. I've been looking on Twitter to see if the equipment has been recovered - I don't see the Russians recovering them - they probably don't even remember where they planted the mines.

Elsewhere, the Russians seem to be doing a chaotic advance to the rear as the Ukrainians aggressively retreat forwards.

[Story]

This was just a bad situation - tough mission, maybe the intelligence was faulty or they hit a pocket of slightly competent Russians - or some combination. I've been looking on Twitter to see if the equipment has been recovered - I don't see the Russians recovering them - they probably don't even remember where they planted the mines.

Elsewhere, the Russians seem to be doing a chaotic advance to the rear as the Ukrainians aggressively retreat forwards.

His explanation on how the 47th BDE got caught in narrow cleared channels makes sense and has historical precedence, particularly in North Africa 41-42.

Russia releases footage allegedly showing 'trophy' abandoned western tanks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qaJSrJjE-U

[GTX_Admin]

Just a cool picture:



CFBV

[Story]

Somewhere around here I'd mentioned this Belgian stash.

Thirty secondhand Leopard I battle tanks are to be refurbished by the arms manufacturer Rheinmetall at the orders of the German government and exported to Ukraine, a spokesperson for the company has confirmed.

The tanks are part of a fleet of 49 vehicles that the Düsseldorf-based company purchased from the Belgian private defence company OIP Land Systems. Some of the vehicles are reportedly in such poor condition they will serve only for the supply of spare parts.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/09/germany-arranges-supply-of-30-leopard-1-tanks-for-ukraine