Orchard Studios

[Ghost Rider]

 

[GTX_Admin]

I like.  Fuel might be a problem though as you appear to be eating not the tankage - see below:

[elmayerle]

Would probably need to go to a wet wing with suitable protections if you're filling the fuselage tank space with other things.  Even then, I'm not sure you would make up the difference.

[Ghost Rider]

If it was extended slightly towards the rear, I calculate that bout 1/3 of he fwd would be lost to create the additional navigator station and  he aft tank would also expand in the space created when the rear facing fixed armament is removed. That combined with a wet wing and drop tanks would make up for some if not most of the shortfall.  But anyway "never let the truth get in the way of a good story" as they say 


 

[Frank3k]

In the Ar234 nighfighter (which flew one mission) they crammed the dumbass who volunteered to be the radar guy - and all his equipment - in the space behind the rear fuel tank (where the camera is shown in the line drawing).

[GTX_Admin]

In the Ar234 nighfighter (which flew one mission) they crammed the dumbass who volunteered to be the radar guy - and all his equipment - in the space behind the rear fuel tank (where the camera is shown in the line drawing).

Yeah, you can see here:




It would have been very cramped though.

[Ghost Rider]

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[Old Wombat]

AWACS with a punch!

Neat!

[GTX_Admin]

Given the Ruhrstahl/Kramer X-4 was wire guided I wonder if some sort of prop guard would be required?

[Ghost Rider]

I wonder if some sort of prop guard would be required? 

Good point

[finsrin]

Greeaat study of Ar-234 

First thought is 1/48 built as 1/72 AWACS.  Pick a country and time period.

[Old Wombat]

Given the Ruhrstahl/Kramer X-4 was wire guided I wonder if some sort of prop guard would be required?

After weapons testing with the X-4 wire-guided missile the Ar-234 was converted to pusher turboprops, which, coincidentally, led to the ability to carry a second pair of X-4's inboard of the engines & to the outer missiles being able to be brought closer in, thus reducing the loading on the outer wing sections!

[elmayerle]

Given the Ruhrstahl/Kramer X-4 was wire guided I wonder if some sort of prop guard would be required?

After weapons testing with the X-4 wire-guided missile the Ar-234 was converted to pusher turboprops, which, coincidentally, led to the ability to carry a second pair of X-4's inboard of the engines & to the outer missiles being able to be brought closer in, thus reducing the loading on the outer wing sections!

The engineer in me wonders if those would be gearbox driven propellers as on Allison's propfan design or exhaust-driven propellers like the aft fans on the CF700 and CJ805-23 or the aft propfans on GE's GE36 unducted fan engine.  Personally, I think the gearbox driven approach would be more feasible for the times.

[Ghost Rider]

It was just a design exercise as early turboprop engines would have had little advantage over internal combustion engines at the time ... with the added complications of un-reliability, complexity and high maintenance.

So, at a time when speed and firepower were critical in the defence of the Reich I give you ..... 

 

[jcf]

Given the Ruhrstahl/Kramer X-4 was wire guided I wonder if some sort of prop guard would be required?

After weapons testing with the X-4 wire-guided missile the Ar-234 was converted to pusher turboprops, which, coincidentally, led to the ability to carry a second pair of X-4's inboard of the engines & to the outer missiles being able to be brought closer in, thus reducing the loading on the outer wing sections!

The engineer in me wonders if those would be gearbox driven propellers as on Allison's propfan design or exhaust-driven propellers like the aft fans on the CF700 and CJ805-23 or the aft propfans on GE's GE36 unducted fan engine.  Personally, I think the gearbox driven approach would be more feasible for the times.

The BMW concepts used a gearbox, the first design being a contra-prop with planetary gearing in a
ducted spinner, second contra-props with a long spinner, short annular intake and gear drive moved
aft to in front of the compressor.

[GTX_Admin]

What's the source of those images Jon?

[Volkodav]

Oh, that is lovely    What an improvement over the side-by-side Hunter trainers!

Apparently the side by side Hunters were faster than the single seaters due to the better drag coefficient of the wider forward fuselage.