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Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #275 on: May 30, 2023, 03:22:38 AM »
I'd rate this tale "true, but with mistakes'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7o8OFJyutZg

Obviously the tankers in question took their cues from KELLYS HEROES

The British did *not* deploy 105mm tanks in Afghanistan
but the Canadians did.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/05/06/in-2006-canada-deployed-leopard-1a5-tanks-to-break-up-taliban-ambushes-ukraine-take-note/?sh=569f6fc3561e

And for Marderman, https://www.artscale.eu/135-square-loudspeaker-1

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Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #276 on: May 31, 2023, 02:22:34 AM »
There was "allegedly" a Challenger 2 deployed inside UK Camp Bastion in Afghanistan in 2008 as a gate guard. I was surprised to hear this and asked the OC of the Role 2E when he visited us in Kandahar, "are you sure?" and with that droll British sense, he repliead along the lines of "I know what a Challenger looks like".

I've never been able to corroborate his statement though.

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Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #277 on: June 01, 2023, 11:50:34 AM »
Anything's possible, despite the MOD playing blind monkey
https://www.army.mod.uk/equipment/combat-vehicles

The narrator's L7 comment implying 105mm is what I used as one of the limits for ockham's razor.

Should be enough for Marderman to do his thing, ya?

https://en.defence-ua.com/analysis/canadian_leopard_1c2_mbts_in_afghanistan_how_ukraine_can_avoid_problems_with_them-6001.html




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Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #278 on: June 02, 2023, 04:41:07 AM »
Hey Story,
It works




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Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #280 on: June 08, 2023, 10:55:44 PM »

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Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #281 on: June 09, 2023, 04:09:40 PM »
You forgot Challenger 2's:

"This is the Captain. We have a little problem with our engine sequence, so we may experience some slight turbulence and, ah, explode."

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Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #282 on: June 10, 2023, 12:46:39 AM »
The Leopard 2A4 damaged in Zaporizhzhia earlier this week has been recovered and will be repaired . It looks like it lost some of its skirt, track and some wheels. The crew survived.

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Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #283 on: June 10, 2023, 01:00:37 AM »
The Leopard 2A4 damaged in Zaporizhzhia earlier this week has been recovered and will be repaired . It looks like it lost some of its skirt, track and some wheels. The crew survived.

Link?

Cause this doesn't look particularly recoverable
https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1666830782533435394?fbclid=IwAR18C5tHucoz_cp2-D3jLHKTTTh_QZwoREEh_PHKd68id-m1aJFMt-95D-Q

For the first time, a Ukrainian Leopard 2A4 tank was destroyed by the Russian army during the recent Ukrainian attack near Novopokrovka, #Zaporizhzhia Oblast.

ETA - I think this is a different Leo, Frank
https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1667145299473715200

See also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxnvb-eBrgY
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Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #284 on: June 10, 2023, 04:17:37 AM »
ETA - I think this is a different Leo, Frank
https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1667145299473715200

That;'s the one that was recovered and fixed. i think it was part of the CF with Bradleys and the demining T-62. The other one may have been a total loss.

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Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #286 on: June 11, 2023, 04:49:19 AM »
There's video of a Bradley firing for cover, another Bradley runs over what looks like a devastating mine blast... and everybody gets out and gets into the next vehicle. Shit happens, especially in a tough environment like that. At least they weren't all in BMPs/BTRs and T-72s, and it's not comparable to the Russians in Vuldehar.

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Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #287 on: June 12, 2023, 07:35:51 PM »
There's video of a Bradley firing for cover, another Bradley runs over what looks like a devastating mine blast... and everybody gets out and gets into the next vehicle. Shit happens, especially in a tough environment like that. At least they weren't all in BMPs/BTRs and T-72s, and it's not comparable to the Russians in Vuldehar.

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Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #288 on: June 12, 2023, 10:58:37 PM »
Wow - you could remove 90% of his analysis. Russians will focus on this Charlie Foxtrot until the last katsap limps onto what's left of the Kersh bridge. The Ukrainians/NATO will adapt - something the Russians aren't good at. The Ukrainians need to get at least local air superiority - Ka-52 shouldn't be allowed near firing range.

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Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #289 on: June 13, 2023, 02:43:46 AM »
Rare Leopard 2A6 "Hölzern" destroyed by Russians:



https://twitter.com/i/status/1668264322907230211

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Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #290 on: June 13, 2023, 03:49:31 AM »
Rare Leopard 2A6 "Hölzern" destroyed by Russians:

 ;D ;D ;D

I might be being thick but what does Ланцет mean in this context? Is it just a play on a lancet being double-edged? Or ... ?
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Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #291 on: June 13, 2023, 03:52:59 AM »
The Leo 2A6 "Hölzern" was taken out by a Russian (Ланцет) Lancet kamikaze drone. I think they meant it as Lancet bait.

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Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #292 on: June 13, 2023, 05:17:39 AM »
The Leo 2A6 "Hölzern" was taken out by a Russian (Ланцет) Lancet kamikaze drone. I think they meant it as Lancet bait.

Ah, of course. Thanks Frank. (I'm just going to assume that my cognitive issues can only improve with further aging!)

So, RU expends USD 40k/RUB 3,309k on the Lancet and the local ZSU troops get fresh kindling for their cook fires tonight! Nice  :smiley:
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Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #293 on: June 13, 2023, 06:29:26 AM »
Ukrainian football fans display a giant banner during tonight's friendly match in Bremen thanking Germany for supplying the country with Leopard 2 tanks

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Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #294 on: June 13, 2023, 06:31:47 AM »
Wow - you could remove 90% of his analysis. Russians will focus on this Charlie Foxtrot until the last katsap limps onto what's left of the Kersh bridge. The Ukrainians/NATO will adapt - something the Russians aren't good at. The Ukrainians need to get at least local air superiority - Ka-52 shouldn't be allowed near firing range.

Frontal assaults on fortified lines are not predicted to be easy affairs.

In December 1990, I sat in a building at Fort Knox that had a small amphitheater in it with a huge sandtable that lowered from the ceiling. The Iraqi sand forts were modeled, with 1/300th vehicles filling out the positions.

The briefer opened with "look to your left. look to your right. if we have to go through the front door, one of you will be killed and the other maimed".


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Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #295 on: June 13, 2023, 06:33:36 AM »
 Oryx does good BDA - it only counts if they can confirm it with imagery.

1 Leopard 2A4: (1, destroyed)
 3 Leopard 2A6: (1, destroyed) (1, abandoned) (2, abandoned)
https://postlmg.cc/sBknYK9g
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-ukrainian.html
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Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #296 on: June 13, 2023, 07:19:46 AM »
This was just a bad situation - tough mission, maybe the intelligence was faulty or they hit a pocket of slightly competent Russians - or some combination. I've been looking on Twitter to see if the equipment has been recovered - I don't see the Russians recovering them - they probably don't even remember where they planted the mines.

Elsewhere, the Russians seem to be doing a chaotic advance to the rear as the Ukrainians aggressively retreat forwards.

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Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #297 on: June 13, 2023, 01:15:11 PM »
This was just a bad situation - tough mission, maybe the intelligence was faulty or they hit a pocket of slightly competent Russians - or some combination. I've been looking on Twitter to see if the equipment has been recovered - I don't see the Russians recovering them - they probably don't even remember where they planted the mines.

Elsewhere, the Russians seem to be doing a chaotic advance to the rear as the Ukrainians aggressively retreat forwards.

His explanation on how the 47th BDE got caught in narrow cleared channels makes sense and has historical precedence, particularly in North Africa 41-42.

Russia releases footage allegedly showing 'trophy' abandoned western tanks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qaJSrJjE-U
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Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #298 on: June 15, 2023, 12:45:24 AM »
Just a cool picture:



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Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #299 on: August 10, 2023, 06:18:34 PM »
Somewhere around here I'd mentioned this Belgian stash.

Thirty secondhand Leopard I battle tanks are to be refurbished by the arms manufacturer Rheinmetall at the orders of the German government and exported to Ukraine, a spokesperson for the company has confirmed.

The tanks are part of a fleet of 49 vehicles that the Düsseldorf-based company purchased from the Belgian private defence company OIP Land Systems. Some of the vehicles are reportedly in such poor condition they will serve only for the supply of spare parts.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/09/germany-arranges-supply-of-30-leopard-1-tanks-for-ukraine