Author Topic: Amphibious Inspiration (Read 4710 times)

GTX_Admin · « **on:** May 08, 2023, 04:01:53 AM »

raafif · « **Reply #1 on:** May 08, 2023, 06:31:01 AM »

lots of floaty busses around ... most based on LARCs.

Buzzbomb · « **Reply #2 on:** May 08, 2023, 06:48:37 AM »

A somewhat lighter side of Amphibious landings
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmAOGn4XC9M

Real World Proposal, but just had to be built of course. I got to display a 17 Pdr AT Gun in an interesting way

Old Wombat · « **Reply #3 on:** May 08, 2023, 08:47:05 AM »

Love the video, BT, but the comments from below it explain it better;

Quote from: Gareth T

Time for the truth as I was there when this was filmed. This was Um Qasr port in Iraq in late 2003 on Operation Telic 2 'the Marines' are not marines but were 40 regiment royal artillery and were to do this as training. The boat was crewed by Royal Engineers and we did tell them that the beach was basically mud but being artillery they did not listen

Quote from: Goatman333

I was in Umm Qasr until July 2003.....great video :-) I think whoever gave them the designated Landing point knew perfectly well there was a great big mud-hole there :-D ....the best bit is the Hazardous Duty Life Jackets inflating the second they get wet.....classic pisstake movie :-D . On a count of three gennelmen: ' Time Spent In Reconnaissance Is Never Wasted ' ! :-D

The 17-pounder on the LVT is cool!

Old Wombat · « **Reply #4 on:** May 08, 2023, 08:54:44 AM »

Quote from: GTX_Admin on May 08, 2023, 04:01:53 AM

https://youtu.be/evQF7SJt2p0

This would be one of the inspirations for that but there were much earlier ones: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uw37uqJ4G88

Kerick · « **Reply #5 on:** May 08, 2023, 11:04:09 AM »

Quote from: raafif on May 08, 2023, 06:31:01 AM

lots of floaty busses around ... most based on LARCs.

I wish someone would build new real world replacements for the DUKWs and LARCs out there. Some are not to seaworthy anymore.

I wonder if a Revell PT109 hull would fit on a truck chassis?

jcf · « **Reply #6 on:** May 08, 2023, 01:35:39 PM »

Quote from: Kerick on May 08, 2023, 11:04:09 AM

Quote from: raafif on May 08, 2023, 06:31:01 AM
lots of floaty busses around ... most based on LARCs.

I wish someone would build new real world replacements for the DUKWs and LARCs out there. Some are not to seaworthy anymore.

They do:
Seahorse, GRP hulls, Hybrid-Electric or Diesel-Hydraulic powertrains, steerable Z-drive propeller or water jet
propulsion.

https://www.seahorseamphibious.com/our-seahorses/

https://www.seahorseamphibious.com/gallery/

Dr. YoKai · « **Reply #7 on:** May 08, 2023, 10:51:35 PM »

Lots of potential in some of the Japanese Amphibious projects...

Dr. YoKai · « **Reply #8 on:** May 08, 2023, 11:04:10 PM »

And I remain moderately pleased about my own TH-34/85

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #9 on:** May 09, 2023, 02:30:53 AM »

Quote from: Kerick on May 08, 2023, 11:04:09 AM

I wish someone would build new real world replacements for the DUKWs and LARCs out there. Some are not to seaworthy anymore.

Things are happening on this front under Australia's Land 8710 program. See Varley's Ganyarra:

https://varleygroupstaging.com.au/defence-projects/land-domain-project-test-01/

Old Wombat · « **Reply #10 on:** May 09, 2023, 09:44:55 AM »

Kerick · « **Reply #11 on:** May 09, 2023, 10:35:34 AM »

Looks great! I’ll take one to drive north to the Wisconsin Dells and drive into the river with all the other DUKWs!

raafif · « **Reply #12 on:** May 10, 2023, 07:32:13 AM »

And now for something totally different !! 3D files available !

I'll do a page in the inspiration thread in the next few days

Kerick · « **Reply #13 on:** May 10, 2023, 12:37:30 PM »

Ping pong balls for the wheels! I don’t know where you would find the body!
Does that sound weird to you?

ysi_maniac · « **Reply #14 on:** May 10, 2023, 12:51:16 PM »

^^^^^
Body from here:
https://www.amazon.es/MisterCraft-Maqueta-Alfa-Romeo-Alfetta/dp/B01BZCOF1Q/ref=sr_1_25?__mk_es_ES=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&crid=1KFX4BSTW5RJI&keywords=alfa+romeo+1%2F24&qid=1683694031&sprefix=alfa+romeo+1%2F24%2Caps%2C89&sr=8-25

Buzzbomb · « **Reply #15 on:** May 10, 2023, 03:25:11 PM »

Quote from: Kerick on May 10, 2023, 12:37:30 PM

Ping pong balls for the wheels! I don’t know where you would find the body!
Does that sound weird to you?

Ping Pong balls work, depending on the subject

perttime · « **Reply #16 on:** May 11, 2023, 12:24:19 PM »

What about a hydrocopter?
Goes on water, ice, and (in a pinch) land. Especially useful when the ice is too weak for land vehicles and too strong for boats.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Amphibian_NE_hydrokopteri_Forum_Marinum_3.JPG

LemonJello · « **Reply #17 on:** May 11, 2023, 08:21:52 PM »

Quote from: perttime on May 11, 2023, 12:24:19 PM

What about a hydrocopter?
Goes on water, ice, and (in a pinch) land. Especially useful when the ice is too weak for land vehicles and too strong for boats.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Amphibian_NE_hydrokopteri_Forum_Marinum_3.JPG

That needs to be done!

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #18 on:** May 12, 2023, 01:57:34 AM »

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #19 on:** May 12, 2023, 02:13:37 AM »

Random idea if anyone wants to take it up: Nimda Co Ltd is an Israeli company that does vehicle upgrades . These are the folks who are responsible for the Achzarit Heavy APC converted from T-54/55s. Another platform they do upgrades for is the Amphibious PT-76. You can see the details here and a picture below:

In short it includes:

New Diesel Engine
New Added Machine Gun Stations
Mobility Improvement
a new 90 mm Cockerill tank gun
New F.C.S including night vision

It is in service with Indonesia.

I wonder if this could have been developed further and perhaps given ATGMs or even a 60mm HVMS (High Velocity Medium Support) gun.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #20 on:** May 12, 2023, 02:17:43 AM »

It's a pity the Expeditionary Fighting Vehicle (EFV)/Advanced Amphibious Assault Vehicle (AAAV) was cancelled as it offered some exciting possibilities:

LemonJello · « **Reply #21 on:** May 12, 2023, 10:17:36 PM »

I wanted to get a ride in one of the prototypes while I was in uniform, but never had the opportunity. I have some knock-off AAVs that I keep looking at, trying to figure how to use them as donors for a WhIf EFV.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #22 on:** May 13, 2023, 11:23:50 AM »

Different colour schemes:

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #23 on:** May 13, 2023, 11:49:45 AM »

Does this constitute an airborne amphibious vehicle?

Old Wombat · « **Reply #24 on:** May 13, 2023, 12:00:02 PM »

Must be the Taiwanese* SEALs (SEa, Air, Land).

[*: I say Taiwanese because the emblem on the hull side, just below the turret, looks like the Taiwanese Marines badge. But I could be wrong.]

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #25 on:** May 14, 2023, 03:13:50 AM »

More inspiration: http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=702.0;all

raafif · « **Reply #26 on:** May 14, 2023, 08:22:30 AM »

Belly-Flop !!!

raafif · « **Reply #27 on:** May 16, 2023, 06:50:56 AM »

... a stretched Stalwart ! Just how long an extension can they do to this vehicle ?

Old Wombat · « **Reply #28 on:** May 16, 2023, 03:14:24 PM »

About 30 years?

On a more serious note: Not much more than the Stolly in the photo. Anything significantly longer will become too difficult to steer, both on land &, more significantly. in water, & will become too unstable on water unless significant ballast is included in the extension (which would make it too heavy on land).

jcf · « **Reply #29 on:** May 17, 2023, 01:33:59 AM »

A couple of Bell concepts from the '70s.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #30 on:** May 17, 2023, 02:03:24 AM »

And some German WW2 inspiration:

http://www.littlewars.se/sealion/germanweapons.html

Old Wombat · « **Reply #31 on:** May 17, 2023, 05:09:52 PM »

The on-looking tankers don't look too impressed in the lower image.

Story · « **Reply #32 on:** May 17, 2023, 11:51:27 PM »

Project 748 Amphibious Submarine, perfect for retaking Alaska
https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/soviet-navy-project-748-submarine-landing-ship.8288/

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #33 on:** May 18, 2023, 01:03:33 AM »

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #34 on:** May 18, 2023, 01:19:01 AM »

Possible inspiration from this image:

Kerick · « **Reply #35 on:** May 18, 2023, 01:27:52 AM »

Quote from: Story on May 17, 2023, 11:51:27 PM

Project 748 Amphibious Submarine, perfect for retaking Alaska
https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/soviet-navy-project-748-submarine-landing-ship.8288/

Looks like a couple of Typhoon hulls and plastic sheets and away you go!
If this was in the 60s or so with all that flat deck it could carry and launch several helicopters. Store them in that extended sail from that one drawing.

Kerick · « **Reply #36 on:** May 18, 2023, 02:47:06 AM »

Here's something from Conceptships by Alex Reis.
The second one may not have floats but that wouldn't take much imagineering.

Story · « **Reply #37 on:** May 18, 2023, 12:51:38 PM »

apophenia · « **Reply #38 on:** May 19, 2023, 04:00:55 AM »

Quote from: jcf on May 17, 2023, 01:33:59 AM

A couple of Bell concepts from the '70s.

Nice! The Bell/DHC-5 'Puffalo' goes armoured

Dr. YoKai · « **Reply #39 on:** May 19, 2023, 09:30:29 PM »

The wonderfully named Oruktor Amphibolos of 1805. Little is known about how well it actually worked, but a weight of seventeen tons for
a powerplant of approximately five horsepower...It was intended to serve as a dredger, but was evidently unsuccessful in that role.

The inventor: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Evans

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #40 on:** May 20, 2023, 03:46:20 AM »

I like

apophenia · « **Reply #41 on:** May 20, 2023, 10:34:37 AM »

Me too!

Here is Charles F. Kettering's take on Oliver Evans and the Orukter Amphibolos"
-- https://todayinsci.com/stories2/story013.htm

OT: You've gotta love Google. First I'm asked: Did you mean: "Uroktor Amphibolous". For fun, I say 'Yes'. Then I'm told: No results found for "Uroktor Amphibolous".

If this is a demonstration of the current state of AI, I'm guessing we really don't have to worry about our 'robot masters' for a while

jcf · « **Reply #42 on:** May 22, 2023, 01:56:23 AM »

Ah, the Landwasserschlepper a classically German approach to a problem.

Hans:We need to land troops and material on a beach and drive out of the water.
Fritz: Ya, lets put tracks on a tug and tow barges to shore.

US: What if we put tracks on a barge?

jcf · « **Reply #43 on:** May 22, 2023, 01:57:36 AM »

Quote from: apophenia on May 20, 2023, 10:34:37 AM

Me too!

Here is Charles F. Kettering's take on Oliver Evans and the Orukter Amphibolos"
-- https://todayinsci.com/stories2/story013.htm

OT: You've gotta love Google. First I'm asked: Did you mean: "Uroktor Amphibolous". For fun, I say 'Yes'. Then I'm told: No results found for "Uroktor Amphibolous".

If this is a demonstration of the current state of AI, I'm guessing we really don't have to worry about our 'robot masters' for a while

Especially as AI doesn't exist.

ysi_maniac · « **Reply #44 on:** May 24, 2023, 05:13:45 PM »

Quote from: perttime on May 11, 2023, 12:24:19 PM

What about a hydrocopter?
Goes on water, ice, and (in a pinch) land. Especially useful when the ice is too weak for land vehicles and too strong for boats.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Amphibian_NE_hydrokopteri_Forum_Marinum_3.JPG

Love the concept and this object too!!!

Buzzbomb · « **Reply #45 on:** May 25, 2023, 01:38:44 PM »

Almost have the bench clear enough of other projects to get into this GB.
I looked at an old build for inspiration, a Hovercraft APC based on the Starfist Series by David Sherman and Dan Cragg. I reckon I will have a go at something down this line
Hovercraft armoured APC.. or tank... depends on the starting point kit that works for me.

it is a Scaleorama 1/35 LVTP to 1/48 so that a whole platoon can fit in... it has a full interior as well. Ahh back to the days of youthful enthusiasm for projects of this scope.