Author Topic: Chicom Improved Chi Ha Medium Tank  (Read 1380 times)

Offline Story

  • Nicht mein Zirkus, nicht meine Affen...
Chicom Improved Chi Ha Medium Tank
« on: April 16, 2023, 10:38:12 AM »
So I uncovered an untouched Tamiya kit in the stash, a late model Chi Ha and wondered what might make for an interesting build.
https://www.scalemates.com/kits/tamiya-35137-type-97-shinhoto-chi-ha-late-version--120304

Turns out the Chinese Communists inherited a few (117?) and built their nascent armor force with them
https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/china/gongchen_tank

<- note how slack the track is here.





So what would the Chinese do differently?

By 1949 the captured ammunition stocks for the Type 1 47 mm gun (chambered for the 47×285mmR, unique to this cannon) were limited, so for this test-bed it was replaced by the Soviet-made 45mm M1942 antitank gun (chambered for 45x310 mmR and generally, a better performing round), which saw heavy use during the Korean War.

The only way this replacement was noticeable from outside of the tank was by barrel length, the original Japanese being shorter; 2.53 m (8 ft 4 in) L/53.7 vs 2.985 m (9 ft 9.5 in) L/66.3. 

The three 7.7mm Japanese Type 97 machineguns were eliminated for similar reasons; dwindling supplies of ammunition, lack of compatibility with Soviet aide and lack of effectiveness when limited to 20 round box magazines.

Two 7.62x54R DTM light machineguns were fitted to the roof (AA) and bow mounts, with a PPSH41/Type50 submachinegun with a drum magazine was racked at the turret rear and if needed, could be fired from the pre-existing machine gun port there.

Both DTMs were upgrade with the (then-new) RG46 feed trays, which allowed use of 250 round belts - a noticeable improvement over the DTM's 63 round drum.


[/img]
« Last Edit: April 16, 2023, 10:48:34 AM by Story »

Offline Frank3k

  • Excession
  • Global Moderator
  • Formerly Frank2056. New upgrade!
    • My new webpage
Re: Chicom Improved Chi Ha Medium Tank
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2023, 11:27:54 AM »
Looks like a believable upgrade. For the gun, you can lengthen the kit gun or use the gun from a BT-5, BT-7 or T-27 tank (or BA series armored car.

I’d remove the gun port on the right side of the turret (or “weld” it shut, since it’s molded on) but leaving the rear gun port available sounds like a good idea.


Wow, the parade tank closest to the camera is just asking to throw that right hand track

Offline Story

  • Nicht mein Zirkus, nicht meine Affen...
Re: Chicom Improved Chi Ha Medium Tank
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2023, 05:33:59 PM »
Looks like a believable upgrade. For the gun, you can lengthen the kit gun 

 ... using one of those 37mm tubes you made.

Wow, the parade tank closest to the camera is just asking to throw that right hand track

Yup, thassa what I meant. Probably could stand to have one track link removed to shorten than side, pending whatever was wrong with the tensioner.

This would be a test-bed / concept tank (which is why no one ever saw photos of it), probably scrapped when they ran out of parts for the Mitsubishi engine.  I did poke around and there was nothing in the HP class at that time that could have fit.

More slop


Offline Ramba

  • Newly Joined - Welcome me!
Re: Chicom Improved Chi Ha Medium Tank
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2023, 07:20:28 PM »
Interesting project. Looking forward to seeing it done.

Offline Story

  • Nicht mein Zirkus, nicht meine Affen...
Re: Chicom Improved Chi Ha Medium Tank
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2023, 02:06:20 AM »
Interesting project. Looking forward to seeing it done.


But *is* it? It'll be another green tank, albeit with ChiCom stars, that won't be substantially different externally from the Japanese as-produced version.  :(

« Last Edit: April 17, 2023, 02:10:00 AM by Story »

Offline Frank3k

  • Excession
  • Global Moderator
  • Formerly Frank2056. New upgrade!
    • My new webpage
Re: Chicom Improved Chi Ha Medium Tank
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2023, 03:52:20 AM »
It'll be a subtle variation. You can change the camo as well. The Nationalist tank looks good, although that was just a repainted Japanese tank (from Tank Encyclopedia:



For musical inspiration: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSPtz7wVDHI

With an epic guitar solo: https://youtu.be/uX8fkPMzV1k?t=169

Here's the far, far less interesting original: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npyXuFJZp-g


Offline Story

  • Nicht mein Zirkus, nicht meine Affen...
Re: Chicom Improved Chi Ha Medium Tank
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2023, 06:20:33 AM »

I’d remove the gun port on the right side of the turret (or “weld” it shut, since it’s molded on) but leaving the rear gun port available sounds like a good idea.

Hmm. If I was running Beijing's version of Aberdeen Proving Ground in 1950, this would be something to address.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53ZA10_AndQ

Maybe some sort of Shurzen is in order, along with a side of eggrolls.


After all, I'm just...


noodling around in this thread so far.
« Last Edit: April 17, 2023, 06:24:24 AM by Story »

Offline Story

  • Nicht mein Zirkus, nicht meine Affen...
Re: Chicom Improved Chi Ha Medium Tank
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2023, 06:27:36 AM »
Also, I can show you guys the time/date stamps of the pics I was messing with long before 08 August 2022, so how did they read my thoughts?
https://www.taptap.io/post/1627854

Offline raafif

  • Is formally accused of doing nasty things to DC-3s...and officially our first whiffing zombie
  • Whiffing Insane
Re: Chicom Improved Chi Ha Medium Tank
« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2023, 08:48:51 AM »
bigger howitzer turret like the Finnish BT42?

Offline Story

  • Nicht mein Zirkus, nicht meine Affen...
Re: Chicom Improved Chi Ha Medium Tank
« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2023, 12:13:53 PM »
bigger howitzer turret like the Finnish BT42?

That's actually a thing already with the Chinese.
https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/category/china-pre-1950/
« Last Edit: April 17, 2023, 11:36:49 PM by Story »