Beyond The Sprues
Current and Finished Projects => Profiles and Pixels => Topic started by: Talos on January 29, 2012, 08:45:24 AM
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I've been meaning to do a thread here since the day the site opened, but between spending two weeks in Saudi and not having done much profiling recently, there wasn't much incentive to. I have been doing line art through, so I thought I would post some along with a few of the last TSR.2 profiles I finished a long while ago. Because I mass-uploaded these, I'm only going to be posting thumbnails for the color ones. The rest will get links due to laziness. :P
(http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/470/tsrjasdfblue.th.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/818/tsrjasdfblue.png/)(http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/8034/tsrluft1.th.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/80/tsrluft1.png/)(http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/209/tsrrsafcamo.th.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/830/tsrrsafcamo.png/)(http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/2435/tsrnasa4.th.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/714/tsrnasa4.png/)(http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/2199/tsrt2raf.th.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/832/tsrt2raf.png/)
First up, the five TSRs. Three are some of the first ones I did, updated with better shading and colors. The other two are a rocket-boosted plane for NASA (line art based on the Stratos-4 version) and the two-seater trainer.
(http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/6091/f111f.th.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/41/f111f.png/)
Next is an F-111 I have only half-done. I started it ages ago for the F-111 group build, based on line art that Chris provided.
http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/3006/ewing.jpg (http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/3006/ewing.jpg)
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/7797/27910046.jpg (http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/7797/27910046.jpg)
http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/7545/73742636.jpg (http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/7545/73742636.jpg)
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/6061/r5experimentaldome.jpg (http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/6061/r5experimentaldome.jpg)
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/8918/18679744.jpg (http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/8918/18679744.jpg)
http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/3323/ywings.jpg (http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/3323/ywings.jpg)
One of the more recent projects I've been working on is a Y-Wing side view from Star Wars. So far I started the work on the actual fighter, but got most of the line art for the astromechs done. I'm doing most of them, so I have can have variety for the socket in the plane. Here is the R2, R4, and two different R5s, in addition to the beginning of the Y-Wing, as well as an E-Wing side project that's in the very early stages.
(http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/330/757d.th.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/849/757d.png/)(http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/2319/757forwardfuselage.th.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/641/757forwardfuselage.png/)(http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/2319/757forwardfuselage.th.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/819/757forwardfuselage.png/)(http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/2319/757forwardfuselage.th.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/85/757forwardfuselage.png/)
Some of the 757s I was working on in the past. I haven't touched them in a while. They still need the basic shading finished and the colors on the Lufthansa retrojet are still off. I've gotten them fixed in a file I can't find at the moment.
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/2116/f8u3.jpg (http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/2116/f8u3.jpg)
http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/9669/x01a.jpg (http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/9669/x01a.jpg)
I am going to post the Macross stuff I've been working on in a seperate post in a little bit (there's a lot of it), since that was the main thing I've been getting done recently. To finish this initial post, I have a few aircraft that are in the very early stages. First off is what will be a production F8U-3 once I finish mods to it and fully detail it. The other is a pair of planes I'm drawing for a collaboration with someone else on the board. Eventually I will crosspost a lot of the line art here into the blanks thread, naturally.
Enjoy!
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Most excellent to have you here. Your TSR.2 pics were particularly nice.
Regards,
John
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Gorgeous work!! I particularly enjoyed the TSR-2s.
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...They still need the basic shading finished and the colors on the Lufthansa retrojet are still off...
It does look sharp though! :-*
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Thanks for the replies, guys! Since you all seem to like the TSRs, I thought I would post all the old ones. I was continually improving the profiles, so some of these are pretty ragged (mostly the NASA group shot), but I think you'll like them. I'm posting the backstory for the the Soviet TSR too, since I wrote one up. Anyway, here they are in basically reverse chronological order, starting with the newest one after the five I already posted.
(http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/9983/tsrardufanta.th.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/829/tsrardufanta.png/)(http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/2963/tsrswedishsplinter.th.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/515/tsrswedishsplinter.png/)(http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/8106/tsrhartmann1.th.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/341/tsrhartmann1.png/)(http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/5489/tsr2ital1.th.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/834/tsr2ital1.png/)(http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/7277/tsr2ms1.th.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/694/tsr2ms1.png/)(http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/7633/tsrmfg1.th.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/59/tsrmfg1.png/)(http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/4759/tsrski1.th.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/62/tsrski1.png/)
(http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/2381/tsrjasdfgray2.th.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/11/tsrjasdfgray2.png/)(http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/221/tsrluftdesert1.th.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/40/tsrluftdesert1.png/)(http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/3391/tsrisrael.th.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/818/tsrisrael.png/)(http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/3351/tsrusafsea.th.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/688/tsrusafsea.png/)(http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/7663/tsrraspberry.th.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/688/tsrraspberry.png/)(http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/2117/tsrgr1atelicgray.th.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/585/tsrgr1atelicgray.png/)
(http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/3971/tsrgr1atelic.th.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/696/tsrgr1atelic.png/)(http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/3214/tsr2blueimpulse.th.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/197/tsr2blueimpulse.png/)(http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/4007/tsrblack.th.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/705/tsrblack.png/)(http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/6158/tsr2caftiger.th.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/577/tsr2caftiger.png/)(http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/133/tsr2caf1.th.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/189/tsr2caf1.png/)
(http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/7659/nasatsr2.th.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/31/nasatsr2.png/)
In the late 1970s, a Royal Air Force Eagle GR1 was performing a routine reconnaissance mission over Germany when it was shot down by a surface-to-air missile and crash landed in Kaliningrad, Russia, while the pilot attempted to ditch it into the North Sea. The plane landed nearly intact at Chernyakhovsk and the crew was taken into Soviet custody, only to be released nearly 18 months later in a diplomatic exchange. The wreckage was repaired and transported by train to Ramenskoye where TsAGI disassembled and copied in the aircraft just as had been done before to the B-29 Superfortress, to fill a light, fast nuclear strike and recon aircraft requirement. The aircraft, first dubbed "Ram-S" when discovered by the west, entered service as the Tupolev Tu-30P, the initial recon model. NATO assigned it the reporting name "Fletcher". Several hundred of the initial model were built with Tu-30U trainer (with stepped cockpits), Tu-30M (extensively upgraded airframe, engines, and avionics), and Tu-30PDM (penultimate recon version) increasing that number significantly. At the fall of the Soviet Union, they were still serving in the Soviet Air Force, as well as the Air Forces of most of their allies. The Soviet examples were distributed among all the former Soviet countries when the Air Force was divided. Due to the SALT-II treaty, however, all the nuclear strike Fletcher-A's were converted into Tu-30TP photo-recon craft or assigned to demilitarized roles such as this example, 07 Red, assigned as a chase plane for Roskosmos' operations at Baikonur Cosmodrome and named after Yuri Gagarin, the first human in space.
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Almost forgot this He 100 I was working on before. It still needs the wings and armament, but it's proceeding nicely. I included a test fitting I did a while back with the radiator from the Hien, which fit almost perfectly.
(http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/5930/he100.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/846/he100.jpg/)
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Glad to see you posting mate. Great work.
Especially looking forward to what you do with the He100.
Regards,
Greg
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Thanks for the welcome, Greg.
Glad you like the He 100. Got some ideas I would like to do with it and maybe a 280 if I can find good sources for it.
...and of course that's when I realize I posted an old version of the He 100 drawing. I had gotten quite a bit done on it since then.
(http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/5930/he100.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/3/he100.jpg/)
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The Hien radiator looks like it belongs there. Since the Japanese at least evaluated the He-100, this would be perfect for their production version.
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That was my thinking too. You can see a little of the Heinkel in the Hien and I thought it fit perfectly. The Hien even tested a variation of the He 100's evaporative cooling system. I'm going to use the numbers difference for that compared to the normal Ki-61 to figure out performance numbers for an operational He 100E with the scoop.
Of course I'll have to do some Japanese schemes...
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Can I put in an early request for some Swiss ones too...please....????
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Can I put in an early request for some Swiss ones too...please....????
Hmm, possibly. I haven't really researched Swiss AF fighters of that era much, though.
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Maybe just use the schemes from some of their Bf-109s?
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Maybe just use the schemes from some of their Bf-109s?
Ah, that would probably work.
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Maybe just use the schemes from some of their Bf-109s?
Or the Morane-Saulnier schemes? The late D-3801 scheme with 'neutrality' stripes and all-white cowling is quite dramatic. And the roughly-applied dappled green over grey scheme on the D-3802 looks almost Japanese.
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Belated welcome Talos!
I have always found your TSR.2 profiles were very nice. 8)
Looking forward to see more of your work ...
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Thanks for the welcome, Jose.
Glad you liked the TSRs. One thing I would like to do sometime is go back and redo the plane with much better detail and shading, since I've learned a lot since then. Also things like ordnance and such.
In the meantime, the He 100 is very nearly done. All it needs now is a gunsight, wingtip formation light, and a few other little odds and ends. Already have the first operational mod halfway done too, an armored glass windscreen like the 109 got early on.
(http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/5930/he100.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/824/he100.jpg/)
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Looking good!! That looks like a pretty tight cowling, will changes be needed to upgrade from the DB601 to later DB605 and DB603 engines?
While we're talking operational ones, any chance of Italian ones?
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Yeah, it is a very tight cowling, but it should be expandable considering the way the engine is mounted to the plane. Fortunately there are no cowl guns, so I don't have to worry about bulges for cannon or MG breeches. 603's a little big for the plane, but a 605 should be doable without too many differences.
Italian ones are possible, yes. I don't have a concrete list as to what exactly I'm going to do.
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Enjoyed TSR profiles and background story.
Look forward to more.
Bill
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Thanks, Bill. I will end up doing more TSRs in the future
Since the He 100 is almost done, I thought I would post something else I've been working on in relation to it.
(http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/2976/x02q.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/14/x02q.jpg/)
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Thanks, Bill. I will end up doing more TSRs in the future
Since the He 100 is almost done, I thought I would post something else I've been working on in relation to it.
([url]http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/2976/x02q.th.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/14/x02q.jpg/[/url])
Would that be a He-280 or derivative thereof?
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Would that be a He-280 or derivative thereof?
Could be, yes. ;)
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I may end up needing to help you with that He 100, Talos. Nudge nudge, wink wink, know what I mean?
Cheers,
Logan
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I may end up needing to help you with that He 100, Talos. Nudge nudge, wink wink, know what I mean?
Cheers,
Logan
I was already planning on that. That's why I've been researching the rivet lines for it too. ;)
Fortunately there's only a few more small things to do before I finish the basic line art and set it up for you.
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I bet you are. Say no more, say no more!
Cheers,
Logan
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Got a bit of work done on the He 280 today. It's still very wip, so not a lot of detail yet. I also started the Jumo 004 engine for it as well.
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/th_He280.jpg) (http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/?action=view¤t=He280.jpg)
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Very nice!! Any chance of seeing one with BMW 003 engines?
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Very nice!! Any chance of seeing one with BMW 003 engines?
I'm fiddling with that nacelle right now. It was always my intention to do all three engine options.
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Very nice!! Any chance of seeing one with BMW 003 engines?
I'm fiddling with that nacelle right now. It was always my intention to do all three engine options.
Coolness!!! Maybe some of the later, larger engines (like the HeS-011) at a further point in time?
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Very nice!! Any chance of seeing one with BMW 003 engines?
I'm fiddling with that nacelle right now. It was always my intention to do all three engine options.
Coolness!!! Maybe some of the later, larger engines (like the HeS-011) at a further point in time?
Nothing's out of the picture except for those blasted pulsejets. ;)
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Nothing's out of the picture except for those blasted pulsejets. ;)
Oh, I agree. Those would be entirely too uncomfortable a ride and play hell with any aiming.
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Nothing's out of the picture except for those blasted pulsejets. ;)
Oh, I agree. Those would be entirely too uncomfortable a ride and play hell with any aiming.
Especially with six of them like one of the 280 prototypes had. The V-Tail on the other hand...
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The V-tail makes sense and looks good; the pulsejets do neither.
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The V-tail makes sense and looks good; the pulsejets do neither.
Even better is the single tail.
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I don't reckon I've seen that one. I'll be looking forward to seeing it.
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I don't reckon I've seen that one. I'll be looking forward to seeing it.
Imagine something roughly in the same class as the Me 262's tail.
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He 280 updated. Since for some reason Imageshack isn't giving the thumbnail code when I upload, you'll have to deal with this in a slightly larger format.
(http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/3452/he280.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/513/he280.jpg/)
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Very good
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Thanks, JP.
I'm currently in the most...fun bits of profiling. Riveting the He 100! Manually. ::)
(http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/1221/he100a.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/689/he100a.jpg/)
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Coming along nicely.
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I'm currently in the most...fun bits of profiling. Riveting the He 100! Manually. ::)
Yes...
Cheers,
Logan
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Rivet madness!
Added a bunch more to the plane, updated the previous post to show. I'm past the halfway mark.
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Very nice. Yeah, we should be able to do this soon enough. You're really getting there.
Cheers,
Logan
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G'day Talo's
I would love and appreciate seeing your He 280 profile in some Imperial Japanese Army (IJA) colours and markings!! ;)
As I could imagine, the Japanese acquiring the plans to license this jet fighter, after the RLM and Luftwaffe turned their nose up at this revolutionary design (at a detrimental cost to Nazi Germany) for the larger, more expensive and more troublesome Messerschmitt Me 262. And hence the Japanese would have a jet fighter in combat service (granted potentially in small number!) to ensure that the USAAF B-29 bombing raids on the home island, was not all one sided!!
M.A.D
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Very good; good luck with the riveting: it can be a tiresome job :)
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Thanks, JP, M.A.D!
Yeah, the riveting can be quite tiresome. I'm not finished with the He 100 and then I'll have the 280 to do too.
I would love and appreciate seeing your He 280 profile in some Imperial Japanese Army (IJA) colours and markings!! ;)
As I could imagine, the Japanese acquiring the plans to license this jet fighter, after the RLM and Luftwaffe turned their nose up at this revolutionary design (at a detrimental cost to Nazi Germany) for the larger, more expensive and more troublesome Messerschmitt Me 262. And hence the Japanese would have a jet fighter in combat service (granted potentially in small number!) to ensure that the USAAF B-29 bombing raids on the home island, was not all one sided!!
I had been planning on doing the 280 in both IJA and IJN colors. The He 100 was supposed to be purchased by the IJN as a land-based interceptor, so in my world here, Heinkel won the Luftwaffe contract over the 109 and the He 100 jigs made it safely to Japan and didn't sink halfway there like in real life. Because they already make the Luftwaffe fighter, the 280 enters production as well, a year or 18 months earlier then the 262 would have. Japan gets some as well, also license-built by Hitachi like the He 100 was supposed to have been. They make good interceptors for B-29s, due to the shorter range of the Heinkel over the 262. The He 280B was supposed to solve that by lengthening the plane by a couple meters, which I might draw sometime after I finish the He 280A.
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Almost have my He 100 finished tonight. Just a bit more and it'll be done. Had to stop and work on something else though, I thought my eyes were going to fall out. Anyway, all that's left is to finish the gunsight and integrate it, riveting on a couple small access panels, and finish up the detailing on the underside of the wing. Nearly all the riveting is complete. I even have two rows of rivets on the underside of the wing, but at this scale, you won't see them. I wonder if anyone's noticed the add-on armored glass windscreen that I slipped in a few previews ago. It'll be one of the first operational mods for the He 100D.
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/th_He100.jpg) (http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/?action=view¤t=He100.jpg)
As I said, I needed to take a break from the 100, so I started the rough outline work on another WWII-era plane an hour or so ago that I've been meaning to do for a year or two now. I won't go into detail about what it is exactly at the moment.
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/th_X-02.jpg) (http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/?action=view¤t=X-02.jpg)
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XP-60???
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Looking promising
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Thanks Greg, JP.
XP-60???
Nope, it isn't.
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Almost have my He 100 finished tonight. Just a bit more and it'll be done. Had to stop and work on something else though, I thought my eyes were going to fall out. Anyway, all that's left is to finish the gunsight and integrate it, riveting on a couple small access panels, and finish up the detailing on the underside of the wing. Nearly all the riveting is complete. I even have two rows of rivets on the underside of the wing, but at this scale, you won't see them. I wonder if anyone's noticed the add-on armored glass windscreen that I slipped in a few previews ago. It'll be one of the first operational mods for the He 100D.
([url]http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/th_He100.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/?action=view¤t=He100.jpg[/url])
Wonderful! You know what to do with it when you're done.
Cheers,
Logan
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Wonderful! You know what to do with it when you're done.
Cheers,
Logan
Yep, I do. I should probably send you a flat, full-sized version so you can at least start laying out the shapes.
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I'd love that.
Thanks,
Logan
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XP-60???
Unlikely. Going by the profile, my first thought was P-72. 'Twould be interesting to see a P-72B with P-47N wings.
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XP-60???
Unlikely. Going by the profile, my first thought was P-72. 'Twould be interesting to see a P-72B with P-47N wings.
Nope, it's not a P-72 either.
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Here's the latest update in the line art for the He 100 project with Logan.
Still haven't finished it yet, but I got most of what was left done tonight. There's only a few more items left to check off.
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/th_He100-1.jpg) (http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/?action=view¤t=He100-1.jpg)
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Keep it up!
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XP-60???
Unlikely. Going by the profile, my first thought was P-72. 'Twould be interesting to see a P-72B with P-47N wings.
Nope, it's not a P-72 either.
Agreed - whilst it is similar to a degree, the proportions and tail shape are wrong:
(http://www.vectorsite.net/avp47_09.png)
It was partially the proportions that made me think of the XP-60:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4e/Curtiss_XP-60E_061024-F-1234P-019.jpg)
This new one has me stumped - it looks so familiar but I just can't put my finger on it....aaaarrrggghhhh!!!! You have to let me know soon...please!!!!
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Agreed - whilst it is similar to a degree, the proportions and tail shape are wrong:
([url]http://www.vectorsite.net/avp47_09.png[/url])
It was partially the proportions that made me think of the XP-60:
This new one has me stumped - it looks so familiar but I just can't put my finger on it....aaaarrrggghhhh!!!! You have to let me know soon...please!!!!
Nope, that'd be too easy. I haven't gotten any work on it, but I'll see if I can do just a bit, enough to either blow your mind or give it away. Don't know which it'll do! ;D
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Tease!!!
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While finishing up a lot of work on the He 100 for Logan this afternoon, I went ahead and fiddled with a couple things I was doing randomly.
Actually, I think the update for this one just might end up being confusing...
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/th_X-02-1.jpg) (http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/?action=view¤t=X-02-1.jpg)
While having a conversation with Logan yesterday, we ended up discussing flying boats and I commented about always being interested in the Do 24ATT. Being more of a Do 26 fan, I naturally wanted to see the ATT version of that. I had started the fuselage a long while ago, so I mocked up a quick engine installation as seen here. I'm not 100% on it yet, so I'll have to move it around a lot, tweak the shapes, etc, before the PT6As fit properly.
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/th_Do26ATT.jpg) (http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/?action=view¤t=Do26ATT.jpg)
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Ok that is just intriguing me further....
It appears (if I am looking at it correctly) that this design has retractable floats. However the only single engined fighters with retractable floats like this that I am readily aware of are:
The Ursinus Seaplane
(http://flyingmachines.ru/Images7/Fotofax/German_Naval/50.jpg)
and the Blackburn B.44:
(http://rp-one.net/profiles/graphics/b44_17_rnzaf_1.png)
and this sin't either of them.
It almost reminds me of a super developed Curtiss SC-2...aarrgghh!!! Tease!!!
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Yeah, you're probably going to hate me (don't ban me!) when I do reveal what it is. :P
Wow, that Blackburn is powerfully ugly....
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It is a Blackburn.
Cheers,
Logan
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It is a Blackburn.
Cheers,
Logan
So true. I don't think they could cope if an aircraft procurement request specified: "And make it look pretty." ;D
That particular one there looks like a pregnant Spitfire.
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You won't be banned...penal duty yes (you didn't know that we have our own Gulag's did you? O0), but no banning... C:-)
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You won't be banned...penal duty yes (you didn't know that we have our own Gulag's did you? O0), but no banning... C:-)
No! No Gulag for me, I'll escape. I always escape. Chain me to a desk and make me draw more... :icon_ninja:
One more hint for now, it's not a plane I made up.
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You're just lucky that I can't find my copy of Blackburn Aircraft Since 1909...
...we are definitely preparing a special desk for you in the BTS Gulag...comrade!
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Actually, that's what a gulag was for some designers. Polikarpov designed half of his planes from a prison cell.
Now back to work! >:( :icon_sueno:
Cheers,
Logan
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The difference is I would never designs something like a Blackburn or Polikarpov. That's the benefit of free labor over imprisoned labor. :P
I would have done a lot better in Hawker or Supermarine then Blackburn if I was a WWII British aero designer. ;D
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Can't wait to see it...
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Cross-post from Logan and my Group Build thread for the He 100. I wanted to drop a copy of the finished line art for that here too.
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/th_He1003.png) (http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/?action=view¤t=He1003.png)
The thread is here. http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=1128.0 (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=1128.0)
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Still unfinished, but an He 100 I've had running around in my head for a while. I still need to smooth out a few places, like detailing and shaping the deck under the aft canopy.
Basically, it's one of the early production He 100s (A0) with a cutdown aft fuselage and aft canopy taken from an He 112B.
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/th_He100V12.jpg) (http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/?action=view¤t=He100V12.jpg)
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Nice! I like your 'bubble-back' He-100 concept :)
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Thanks, Apoph! I'm still revising the shapes a little bit. Might shorten the rear canopy a little, since the He 100 is several feet shorter then the 112. I am rather pleased how the aft fuselage came out. Sleeker then I thought it would be.
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Cross-posting this from another forum I post at. This is something I've been working on while working on line art for Logan.
Late last year I started working on a Star Wars project I've always wanted to do, a fully-detailed, shaded, and weathered Y-Wing profile. I haven't gotten it done yet, only the astromechs are finished or near-finished depending on the model, but I realized I would need to do shading and weathering practice before I'm ready to do that. I would also need to improve my Photoshop and Illustrator skills.
My choice of a subject was an old favorite of mine, the Viper Mk II from the reimagined Battlestar Galactica. I had the Zoic renders of the filming CGI model to use as a base, but I really wanted to amp up all the details as much as I could. I found a lot of pictures of the full-scale mockup online and used it as a source for additional detail, including the TV series rescue point (actually an aftermarket car fuel door) that replaced the decal that was on the Viper during the Miniseries, as well as the little cables and wires in the access panels in the forward fuselage. It's not finished yet, the cockpit interior, wings, wingtips, cannons, and the access panels in the upper and lower engines still need to be finished.
I'm uploading two versions of the line art that's done so far, normal size with everything and enlarged with the cannons removed so you can see the detail they cover up. I've also done the Vigilantes squadron patch and Viper spacecraft patch that I'll have on the final profile, and started the Primus patch that's going on the nose, as well as an example nameplate that will go on one of the Vipers (Husker's N7242C/7242NC). The final two pictures are initial shading tests and aren't representative of how the final profile will look. I was just experimenting and practicing in Photoshop to get used to it. The font seen on the tail unit and the nameplate is "Husker" by AppleCave on Fontstruct. It's pretty darn close to the original and a great font. When I do the final profile I'll include a credit for it.
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/th_ViperMkII.jpg) (http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/?action=view¤t=ViperMkII.jpg)(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/th_ViperMkII.jpg) (http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/?action=view¤t=ViperMkII.jpg)(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/th_ViperForwardfuselageshadingtest.jpg) (http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/?action=view¤t=ViperForwardfuselageshadingtest.jpg)(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/th_ViperMkIIshadingtest.jpg) (http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/?action=view¤t=ViperMkIIshadingtest.jpg)
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/th_Primus.jpg) (http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/?action=view¤t=Primus.jpg)(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/th_Husker.png) (http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/?action=view¤t=Husker.png)(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/th_Viper-Patch.png) (http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/?action=view¤t=Viper-Patch.png)(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/th_Vigilantes-1.png) (http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/?action=view¤t=Vigilantes-1.png)
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^ Great stuff!
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Thanks, Empty Handed.
I was working on some stuff for Logan earlier today and found this in my files that I had started. I don't know when or if I'll ever get around to finishing it though, but here's the boilerplate.
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/th_XB-70B.jpg) (http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/?action=view¤t=XB-70B.jpg)
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I finally updated the He 100 and 280 yesterday, tweaking the bubble canopy on the former and adding a single tail on the latter based on a drawing I saw. Also posting all the BSG patches I did in the last week. I went through a whole bunch of them. The Raptors one is still incomplete until I can find the correct font for the rest of the wording.
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/th_He100V12.jpg) (http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/?action=view¤t=He100V12.jpg)(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/th_He280a.jpg) (http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/?action=view¤t=He280a.jpg)
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/th_Strike-Fighters.png) (http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/?action=view¤t=Strike-Fighters.png)(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/th_Vigilantes-2.png) (http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/?action=view¤t=Vigilantes-2.png)(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/th_Demons.png) (http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/?action=view¤t=Demons.png)(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/th_Prowlers.png) (http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/?action=view¤t=Prowlers.png)(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/th_Vampires.png) (http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/?action=view¤t=Vampires.png)
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/th_Raptors.png) (http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/?action=view¤t=Raptors.png)(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/th_Viper-Weapons-School.png) (http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/?action=view¤t=Viper-Weapons-School.png)(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/th_Viper-Weapons-School-2.png) (http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/?action=view¤t=Viper-Weapons-School-2.png)
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Good work
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Thanks, JP.
I've since pretty much finished all the patches I intended to do, 10 different squadron ones (two of which I'm including here in larger size), two Viper Weapon School (think TOPGUN) patches, and the Viper patch all the pilots wear.
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/th_Patches.jpg) (http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/?action=view¤t=Patches.jpg)(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/th_Raptors-1.png) (http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/?action=view¤t=Raptors-1.png)(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/th_Primus-1.png) (http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/?action=view¤t=Primus-1.png)
I also whipped up a quick Viper Mk II version of the latter, though I might tweak that one later.
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/th_Viper-Mk-II-patch.png) (http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/?action=view¤t=Viper-Mk-II-patch.png)
The line art has been updated and is almost done. The May 17th post has them because I updated the photobucket links, but I'm relinking them here. I also got a quick start on the Mk VII last week as well.
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/th_ViperMkII.jpg) (http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/?action=view¤t=ViperMkII.jpg)(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/th_ViperMkIIa.jpg) (http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/?action=view¤t=ViperMkIIa.jpg)(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/th_ViperMkVII.jpg) (http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/?action=view¤t=ViperMkVII.jpg)
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Oh wow, I missed these! Very nice patches Talos, very nice indeed! The Vampires patch is definitely my favorite, keep it up man 8)
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Thanks, Cliff! They came out pretty well. I might do a few more, we'll see, but my focus right now is on finishing the Viper line art and get started on the actual profile.
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Hey! I still need some line art from you to finish our current project! >:( ;)
Cheers,
Logan
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I haven't updated this thread in a few months, so I thought I would toss in what I've done since then.
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/th_Viper-Mk-I-patch.png) (http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/?action=view¤t=Viper-Mk-I-patch.png)(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/th_Viper-Mk-VII-patch.png) (http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/?action=view¤t=Viper-Mk-VII-patch.png)
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/th_RDM-Blue-Squadron.png) (http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/?action=view¤t=RDM-Blue-Squadron.png)(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/th_Viper-Mk-VII-weapons-school-2.png) (http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/?action=view¤t=Viper-Mk-VII-weapons-school-2.png)
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/th_C-Buccs.png) (http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/?action=view¤t=C-Buccs.png)
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/th_ViperMkVI.jpg) (http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/?action=view¤t=ViperMkVI.jpg)(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/th_Viper-Forward-fuselage-shading-test.png) (http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/?action=view¤t=Viper-Forward-fuselage-shading-test.png)(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/th_ViperSizeComparison.jpg) (http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/?action=view¤t=ViperSizeComparison.jpg)(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/th_Colonial-Hurricane-1.png) (http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/?action=view¤t=Colonial-Hurricane-1.png)
And now, Space Battleship Yamato stuff.
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Yamato/th_Yukikaze-patch-1.png) (http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Yamato/?action=view¤t=Yukikaze-patch-1.png)(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Yamato/th_Yukikaze-patch-2.png) (http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Yamato/?action=view¤t=Yukikaze-patch-2.png)(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Yamato/th_Yamato-patch-2a.png) (http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Yamato/?action=view¤t=Yamato-patch-2a.png)(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Yamato/th_Yamato-Patch-1_zps1c1c4bf1.png) (http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Yamato/?action=view¤t=Yamato-Patch-1_zps1c1c4bf1.png)
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Yamato/th_UNCN-Fighter-Anchor.png) (http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Yamato/?action=view¤t=UNCN-Fighter-Anchor.png)(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Yamato/th_Cosmo-Zero-Tail-Insignia_zpsad7909f0.png) (http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Yamato/?action=view¤t=Cosmo-Zero-Tail-Insignia_zpsad7909f0.png)(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Yamato/th_Yamato-Ship-Patch_zpsfca1f975.png) (http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Yamato/?action=view¤t=Yamato-Ship-Patch_zpsfca1f975.png)
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Yamato/th_SBY-UN-Insignia-Dark-Blue_zpsd924145f.png) (http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Yamato/?action=view¤t=SBY-UN-Insignia-Dark-Blue_zpsd924145f.png)(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Yamato/th_SBY-UN-Insignia_zps07efcd59.png) (http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Yamato/?action=view¤t=SBY-UN-Insignia_zps07efcd59.png)
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Yamato/th_Yamatosizecomparison.png) (http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Yamato/?action=view¤t=Yamatosizecomparison.png)(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Yamato/th_Type100_zps93016a2c.jpg) (http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Yamato/?action=view¤t=Type100_zps93016a2c.jpg)(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Yamato/th_Yukikaze.jpg) (http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Yamato/?action=view¤t=Yukikaze.jpg)
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Very nice patches man, you certainly have an eye for them 8) Those Cosmo Navy ones look very real.
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:)
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Thanks, Empty Handed.
I was working on some stuff for Logan earlier today and found this in my files that I had started. I don't know when or if I'll ever get around to finishing it though, but here's the boilerplate.
([url]http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/th_XB-70B.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/?action=view¤t=XB-70B.jpg[/url])
How about this inspiration from Tony Landis:
(http://www.edwardsflighttest.com/b70/Arctic.jpg)
(http://www.edwardsflighttest.com/b70/SEA.jpg)
(http://www.edwardsflighttest.com/b70/QB70A.jpg)
More here: http://www.edwardsflighttest.com/b70.html (http://www.edwardsflighttest.com/b70.html)
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Love the Artic Rescue variant; very interesting
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Catching back up on what I've been doing recently.
Yamato: I found the correct font for the ship names in Yamato 2199, it's the same font the JMSDF uses on their ships. I mocked up a nameplate for the Yukikaze a while back as a test to see how it looked. I also started on a Yamato beer label from a recent episode. Just need to do a bit of text and it's done.
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Yamato/th_Yukikazenameplate.jpg) (http://s229.beta.photobucket.com/user/Talos5/media/Yamato/Yukikazenameplate.jpg.html)(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Yamato/th_Zero-RawsUchuuSenkanYamato2199-07BD1920x1080x264FLACmkv_snapshot_1445_20121204_210349.jpg) (http://s229.beta.photobucket.com/user/Talos5/media/Yamato/Zero-RawsUchuuSenkanYamato2199-07BD1920x1080x264FLACmkv_snapshot_1445_20121204_210349.jpg.html)(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Yamato/th_Yamato-Beer.png) (http://s229.beta.photobucket.com/user/Talos5/media/Yamato/Yamato-Beer.png.html)
Now on to Battlestar Galactica. With the proper font for all the signage identified, I redrew and modified the Galactiguise release for my own use and I'm pretty sure I now have a nearly 100% accurate rendition of what we see on the show. One of the first things I did with it was completely redo my Viper Mk II nameplate. I got carried away and you can see the result. I'm still fiddling with the colors, as you can see in the four Viper Mk VII nameplates (they're thinner then the Mk II) in the next pic. I threw on a new nameplate and redid the serial number on my Mk II shading test and I think it looks much, much better now.
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/th_Mk-II-Nameplates.png) (http://s229.beta.photobucket.com/user/Talos5/media/Battlestar%20Galactica/Mk-II-Nameplates.png.html)(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/th_Mk-VII-Nameplate-Color-Test.png) (http://s229.beta.photobucket.com/user/Talos5/media/Battlestar%20Galactica/Mk-VII-Nameplate-Color-Test.png.html)
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/Viper-Forward-fuselage-shading-test.png)
I wanted to see some color on the Mk VI line art I finished a while ago and since I had no immediate plans to shade it anyway, I did up a pair of profiles for it. The first one carries the same blue the CGI models were painted in and the second matches the much darker, full-scale mockups on the show.
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/Viper-Mk-VI.png)
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/Viper-Mk-VI-Dark.png)
Now onto line art. I recently did some tweaks to the Mk II canopy to finish it up, as well as did a version closer to the filmed full-size bird, which differed from the CGI and blueprints. I also started on the "Hero" canopy frame from Starbuck's Viper in season 3 and 4. It's not finished yet, I'll completely redo it. I also, after a long marathon one day, finally finished the Mk VII line art, minus the cockpit interior. I also threw it into an updated size comparison.
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/ViperMkIIcanopies.jpg)
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/Viper-Size-Comparison.png)
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Battlestar%20Galactica/ViperMkVII-1.jpg)
Oh, and I got some line art for the He 100 and other stuff supporting projects with Logan, but you'll have to wait to see those. ;)
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Wow!
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Nice Vipers! I used the zoic renderings as my starting point too for my MK2. I want to do a really weathered version and I am playing around with doing on in markings from my old air Guard Unit.
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Nice Vipers! I used the zoic renderings as my starting point too for my MK2. I want to do a really weathered version and I am playing around with doing on in markings from my old air Guard Unit.
Thanks, bluesman! I saw your Mk II and that was actually what reminded me I needed to post updates I've been doing. ;D Great job on it, it looks awesome.
I started with the Zoic model, like you said, and got a bunch of good reference pics of the full-size bird from Lee Stringer, one of the Zoic guys a while ago, so I've been adding more and more detail, including stuff I've never seen anyone else replicate like the rescue point the full-size mockup had during the show, with the goal of making the most detailed and accurate Viper profile around. Got most of the line art there done, but still need to work on my shading and weathering. I want to do a heavily weathered one as well. Not sure about non-BSG markings yet, I'll cross that bridge when I come to it. I intend to do one for the Mk VII too, which is going to be fun with the chipped paint.
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Vipers look great! I really like this though:
http://s229.beta.photobucket.com/user/Talos5/media/Yamato/Type100_zps93016a2c.jpg.html (http://s229.beta.photobucket.com/user/Talos5/media/Yamato/Type100_zps93016a2c.jpg.html)
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Yamato/Type100_zps93016a2c.jpg)
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Vipers look great! I really like this though:
I'll get around to the Type 100 again sometime. I do intend to do a full profile of it. Just need to get in the mood to do some more Yamato work. Maybe after I get the new bluray.
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I've been working on some -REDACTED- He 100 lineart for Logan and got a random moment of inspiration and dashed this out this afternoon. It's still a work in progress, the exhaust is a stand-in, and the prop is the same old He 100 prop. Need to get better refs for both Spitfire parts and redo them. It also needs some more details added in before it's finished.
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/He%20100/He100Buchon.jpg)
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Very neat! It definitely shows that it's workable! That's a ways down our timeline, though...
Cheers,
Logan
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Yeah, I was surprised at how well the nose fit on. I was reading something and there was this great shot of the Buchon, that's what got me to do this. Really reminds me of a P-40 now. Since I've been reading a good book on the Tigers recently, makes me want to have this done up one of their planes with a shark mouth on that nose.... You know, for a 1950s movie or something.
A little down our timeline, but something to look forward to!
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Very cool....... I like it
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Beautiful Merlin-powered He100 derivative and quite plausible. The He100's induction system would mesh easily with the Merlin's updraft carburetor.
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Outstanding :)
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Thanks, guys. I'm really happy with how it's turning out, but I'll be happier once I fix a few things that have been bothering me with it.
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Lovely Buchón-Heinkel! Does she keep the original He 100D retractable radiator (to go with the auxiliary rad and oil-cooler under the nose)?
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Thanks, apophenia. I hadn't gone too much into that part yet, but I figured it would probably get rid of the radiator and run off the nose one (particularly if it's beefed up). Dunno, might use simple underwing ones like the Spitfire and Bf 109 anyway.
Actually, not that I think about it, I wanted to see how it looked with the unfinished bubble canopy I did, so here's that roughly done up. I still need to detail under the canopy glass, but its a start.
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/He%20100/He100Buchonbubblecanopy.jpg)
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I like it with out the bubble.......
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Same, actually. It doesn't look very balanced with the bubble canopy. Looks like too much engine.
Cheers,
Logan
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Same, actually. It doesn't look very balanced with the bubble canopy. Looks like too much engine.
I'll second that. It needs more presence aft of the cockpit; perhaps an aft canopy like that of the Ki-61-III or Ki-100-II. An alternative apporach might be lines similar to how Focke-Wulf did the aft canopy and fuselage of the Fw190.
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Same, actually. It doesn't look very balanced with the bubble canopy. Looks like too much engine.
I'll second that. It needs more presence aft of the cockpit; perhaps an aft canopy like that of the Ki-61-III or Ki-100-II. An alternative apporach might be lines similar to how Focke-Wulf did the aft canopy and fuselage of the Fw190.
This canopy is based on the He 112's, though shortened a bit. Only the rear glazing is changed, the windscreen and central portion the same. I can try other looks too.
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Not sure which I like most. :-\
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Makes it look big and mean :)
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Not sure which I like most. :-\
Me neither but I think I'm leaning towards the bubble. Reminds me a little of the earlier all-around vision canopy on the Hawker Typhoon.
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Cross-posting my finished Floaty GB entry.
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Do-26ATT-USCG-Old.png) (http://s229.photobucket.com/user/Talos5/media/Do-26ATT-USCG-Old.png.html)
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Do-26ATT-USCG.png) (http://s229.photobucket.com/user/Talos5/media/Do-26ATT-USCG.png.html)
After WWII, production of the Do 26 was selected over the three-engined Do 24 as the basis of the post-war flying boat forces of several European navies. These incorporated various updates, most importantly amphibious gear and updated engines. A further refined model, the Do 26ATT, with four Pratt and Whitney PT6A engines installed, giving a useful increase in power and efficiency over the dated engines it had used before. Many were purchased by the US Coast Guard, which operated them into the early 1980s. They were initially purchased for their longer range compared to the HU-16Es already in service, enabling more useful patrol radiuses from West Coast air stations. Eventually they were also based on the East Coast as well and performed many rescue missions in their long career.
Artist Notes: These are profiles I've wanted to do for a long time. I first started outlining the Do 26ATT a couple years ago, but only really picked it up again in March and got the line art done for it. It's undetailed compared to my usual as I knew I wouldn't have enough time to get it done if I went all out and did a full, shaded, detailed profile. I would like to revisit them sometime and do just that, but I'm just glad to finally get to see these ideas visualized.
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Wow!!! Love them. :)
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Wow!!! Love them. :)
Thanks, Greg!
Now to come up with a '46 profile...
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Very good Talos!! :P
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Love the Do 26ATT! Do the rear nacelles still tilt for take-off and landing?
The PT6s make the 'ATT look more modern. But, the funny thing is, diesels as on the original Do 26 seems to be making soemthing of a comeback :D
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Thanks, lauhof, apophenia!
Love the Do 26ATT! Do the rear nacelles still tilt for take-off and landing?
The PT6s make the 'ATT look more modern. But, the funny thing is, diesels as on the original Do 26 seems to be making something of a comeback :D
No, my intention is that, with the new engines, they have a high enough thrust line that there's no need to tilt the rear nacelles, helping to simplify production and maintenance.
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While I work on my '46 profile (Greg will love this one...), I thought I'd rough out the shapes for a new profile I've been wanting to do for years. The shapes will need to be refined and accurized more, this is literally five minutes work, then I'll start working on filling in areas with panel lines and detailing. Got a lot of potential ideas with this bird...
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/YF-17.jpg) (http://s229.photobucket.com/user/Talos5/media/YF-17.jpg.html)
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YF-17?
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YF-17?
Or productionized version thereof?
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YF-17?
Or productionized version thereof?
Ja.
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Looking forward to the end result of this...
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productionized version thereof?
The one thing that has bothered me about the YF-17 - esthetically - is the pointy nose. I suspect a later variant would have a more curved nose shape to accommodate a larger radar, much like happened to the F-16.
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Maybe give it an AN/APG-67 like the F-20?
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productionized version thereof?
The one thing that has bothered me about the YF-17 - esthetically - is the pointy nose. I suspect a later variant would have a more curved nose shape to accommodate a larger radar, much like happened to the F-16.
It does set it apart from a lot of other planes of its day. ;)
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Maybe give it an AN/APG-67 like the F-20?
that would likely add a small curve to it, but not a lot. I know some proposals had a nose similar to that of the F-18. The spine was like that of the YF-17, but much of the rest of the aircraft was like the F-18, more properly the F-18L.
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Maybe give it an AN/APG-67 like the F-20?
that would likely add a small curve to it, but not a lot. I know some proposals had a nose similar to that of the F-18. The spine was like that of the YF-17, but much of the rest of the aircraft was like the F-19, more properly the F-18L.
I'll probably try to keep it as F-17-like as I call and avoid making it look too much like the F/A-18. It'd be no fun if I immediately made it like the real-world plane. ;)
Here is an early preview of one of the two profiles I have planned for my '46 GB entry. I got all this work on it done in the past couple of hours. The other profile already has a good start on the line art too, so I hopefully should be able to get these two finished up fairly quickly.
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/XP-77.jpg) (http://s229.photobucket.com/user/Talos5/media/XP-77.jpg.html)
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By all means, keep the production F-17 as different from the F/A-18 as you can, though I'd rather expect the landing gear and underwing hardpoints would be similar to those of the F/A-18L. The F-20 should give you a fair idea of how to size the radome for installing the AN/APG-67 here. You could install the same AN/APG-66 as the F-16's use, but that's, again, too much the same.
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By all means, keep the production F-17 as different from the F/A-18 as you can, though I'd rather expect the landing gear and underwing hardpoints would be similar to those of the F/A-18L. The F-20 should give you a fair idea of how to size the radome for installing the AN/APG-67 here. You could install the same AN/APG-66 as the F-16's use, but that's, again, too much the same.
That's roughly what I was looking at, with regards to landing gear and hardpoints. I need to look into them more, I haven't gotten to that stage yet. Failing that, I could always attach a Sparrow rail to the landing gear door like the F-16 experimented with. Of course ADC will probably just stick a pair under the wings, but still.
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The F/A-18L is enough different from the as-produced F/A-18 in those areas (much simpler landing gear and an extra hardpoint on each wing) to be usable as a guide, here. Some of the older F/A-18 books have some good documentation on the "L". Another key difference, and one that would likely be on the F-17 also would be that the F/A-18L never had the gaps between its LERX and the fuselage filled in; one consequence of this is that it wouldn't need that fence to reduce tail buffeting that the production F/A-18 has (of course, you then need to find a kit of the F-18 protoype if you want to do a F/A-18L (actually, I've got several to do both those and production F-17's).
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The F/A-18L is enough different from the as-produced F/A-18 in those areas (much simpler landing gear and an extra hardpoint on each wing) to be usable as a guide, here. Some of the older F/A-18 books have some good documentation on the "L". Another key difference, and one that would likely be on the F-17 also would be that the F/A-18L never had the gaps between its LERX and the fuselage filled in; one consequence of this is that it wouldn't need that fence to reduce tail buffeting that the production F/A-18 has (of course, you then need to find a kit of the F-18 protoype if you want to do a F/A-18L (actually, I've got several to do both those and production F-17's).
Yeah, looking into it the main landing gear are more like the F-17's anyway, versus the knee the F-18 had. The nose was just a lighter version of the F-18's without the catapult bar. I'll do up the two-seater F-17 too, I found some really nice references for that.
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Hey Talos, don't know if your on the Secret Projects Board or not but someone posted some nice scans of a Northrup promotional brochure for the F-17 with plenty of photos (in a neat Soviet style style 3-tone blue camo) and other info. Let me know if you can't find it/access it and I'll dig around. I want to say its in the "F-17" thread but I can't remember.
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Cool!! If memory serves me correctly, the nose gear of the F/A-18 is twin wheel while that of the F/A-18L and F-17. Looking at Don Logan's book on the YF-17, I found centerline cutaways of the YF-17, F-17, and two-seat F-17. The production F-17 has a long, still pointed nose with a small radar. It looks like you could use either an AN/APG-66 with a different antenna from that on the F-16 or an AN/APG-67 as used on the F-20; I'd say to go with the AN/APG-67 as it did finally make it into production for the A-50 combat version of the T-50 trainer.
If you don't have Don Logan's book, I'll be glad to scan portions of it for you.
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Wait a sec....I think I had my wires crossed... The brochure might have been for the F-18L and not the F-17 in fact I think it was. Sorry :-[ Might be of use anyway
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Hey Talos, don't know if your on the Secret Projects Board or not but someone posted some nice scans of a Northrup promotional brochure for the F-17 with plenty of photos (in a neat Soviet style style 3-tone blue camo) and other info. Let me know if you can't find it/access it and I'll dig around. I want to say its in the "F-17" thread but I can't remember.
Wait a sec....I think I had my wires crossed... The brochure might have been for the F-18L and not the F-17 in fact I think it was. Sorry :-[ Might be of use anyway
I've been using Secret Projects for a lot of resources for this profile so far, so link away. It might be something I didn't see!
Cool!! If memory serves me correctly, the nose gear of the F/A-18 is twin wheel while that of the F/A-18L and F-17. Looking at Don Logan's book on the YF-17, I found centerline cutaways of the YF-17, F-17, and two-seat F-17. The production F-17 has a long, still pointed nose with a small radar. It looks like you could use either an AN/APG-66 with a different antenna from that on the F-16 or an AN/APG-67 as used on the F-20; I'd say to go with the AN/APG-67 as it did finally make it into production for the A-50 combat version of the T-50 trainer.
If you don't have Don Logan's book, I'll be glad to scan portions of it for you.
I would massively appreciate that. I don't have a copy of that book and any of that would help. It's hard getting accurate lines for this plane since the majority of art for it dates back to the 80s from things like Flight.
Hmm, does the 67 still have Sparrow capability? That would be a potential deal-breaker for the plane for foreign customers. EDIT: Looks like it can. Might be a good fit then.
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It was the F-18L but maybe you can still glean some useful info.
Found this painting very interesting: F-18L Potential Customers (http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=16080.0;attach=168789;image)
From bottom to top it looks like, Spain, Germany, Australia, Italy, Canada, France, England, and two sans markings but in camo.
Here's the thread:http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,16080.0.html (http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,16080.0.html)
Pages 1-4 have the relevant info. Page 5 is just some discussion.
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Hmm, does the 67 still have Sparrow capability? That would be a potential deal-breaker for the plane for foreign customers. EDIT: Looks like it can. Might be a good fit then.
Yes, it does have that capability since it conveyed it to the F-20.
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It was the F-18L but maybe you can still glean some useful info.
Found this painting very interesting: F-18L Potential Customers ([url]http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=16080.0;attach=168789;image[/url])
From bottom to top it looks like, Spain, Germany, Australia, Italy, Canada, France, England, and two sans markings but in camo.
Here's the thread:http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,16080.0.html ([url]http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,16080.0.html[/url])
Pages 1-4 have the relevant info. Page 5 is just some discussion.
Thanks for the links. That was actually the thread I was reading when I replied to your post last night... ;D
Definitely some interesting stuff in there.
Hmm, does the 67 still have Sparrow capability? That would be a potential deal-breaker for the plane for foreign customers. EDIT: Looks like it can. Might be a good fit then.
Yes, it does have that capability since it conveyed it to the F-20.
Yes, I looked it up afterwards and realized that. Might be a good fit.
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The GD-53 Golden Dragon radar in the AIDC F-CK-1 Ching-kuo is also based on the AN/APG-67 and the aircraft is in much the same class as the F-17 so maybe that can be another source of inspiration for your radome design?
(http://militaryfactory.com/aircraft/imgs/aidc-fck1-ching-kuo.jpg)
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There is also some info in the F/A-18 Hornet and Super Hornet Ideas and Inspiration thread (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=790.0)here on BTS. For example, this photo of a YF-17 in Greek markings. It was apparently painted like that during the selection of HAF s 3rd gen fighter in mid 80's.
(http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/5515/f18lgz5.jpg)
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There is also some info in the F/A-18 Hornet and Super Hornet Ideas and Inspiration thread ([url]http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=790.0[/url])here on BTS. For example, this photo of a YF-17 in Greek markings. It was apparently painted like that during the selection of HAF s 3rd gen fighter in mid 80's.
Good thing Greece and Argentina never went to war. There would have had quite a few friendly fire incidents.
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The GD-53 Golden Dragon radar in the AIDC F-CK-1 Ching-kuo is also based on the AN/APG-67 and the aircraft is in much the same class as the F-17 so maybe that can be another source of inspiration for your radome design?
Ah the F-CK-1...every servicemember's wet dream to nickname... Always loved how sleek it is and you're right, that's a great idea. I definitely will use it.
There is also some info in the F/A-18 Hornet and Super Hornet Ideas and Inspiration thread ([url]http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=790.0[/url])here on BTS. For example, this photo of a YF-17 in Greek markings. It was apparently painted like that during the selection of HAF s 3rd gen fighter in mid 80's.
I'll more then likely do up an HAF one at some point. Maybe a Turkish one too, since in real life they both have F-16s.
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While working on both entries I'm contributing to the '46 GB, I was fiddling around with a rough boilerplate of another plane and was surprised at the size of it compared to the Do 26ATT. I decided to throw most of my recent planes I've drawn, along with some of my better old ones into a new size comparison, which I haven't done in years. There are a few things missing, mostly ones I don't want to display in public yet, not even in boilerplate form.
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/Size-Comparison.png) (http://s229.photobucket.com/user/Talos5/media/Size-Comparison.png.html)
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As a result of having a long vacation over the 4th of July and not getting any work done on these as planned, I wasn't able to finish my entry for the '46 GB. The basic gist of it is Soviet pilots operating out of small, dispersed airfields in both P-77s and the turbocharged version which I've been calling the P-77B. They're operating against an advanced Japanese floatplane fighter. The floatplane is based on one from a Japanese manga and anime called Konpeki no Kantai, where Yamamoto jumpstarts Japan's war industry by going back in time about 50 years, so Japan has plenty of advanced machines in WWII. One of them is this submarine-launched seaplane fighter that's used to attack the Panama Canal with sub-carried twin-engined bombers. The original is a lot smaller, more like an Me 309, while the manga one I based it on is an enhanced N1K1. I decided to give it a more inline look and dropped in the engine from another Kantai plane, resulting in this version here.
To finish it, I'll need to finish up the line art for both P-77s and color them and the Japanese fighter, which I need to get a proper designation. It's called the Harurashi.
http://i.imgur.com/2U9WjtY.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/2U9WjtY.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/vdWhVKJ.png (http://i.imgur.com/vdWhVKJ.png)
http://i.imgur.com/R5MXdxz.png (http://i.imgur.com/R5MXdxz.png)
http://i.imgur.com/ipyuIGi.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/ipyuIGi.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/qUhx4pE.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/qUhx4pE.jpg)
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/46GB.jpg) (http://s229.photobucket.com/user/Talos5/media/46GB.jpg.html)
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There is also some info in the F/A-18 Hornet and Super Hornet Ideas and Inspiration thread ([url]http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=790.0[/url])here on BTS. For example, this photo of a YF-17 in Greek markings. It was apparently painted like that during the selection of HAF s 3rd gen fighter in mid 80's.
Good thing Greece and Argentina never went to war. There would have had quite a few friendly fire incidents.
At least they're a decent distance apart: go look at how many central Americal states have (or had) horizontal blue-white-blue tail flashes with only tiny crests in the middle to distinguish them. IIRC, this is a hangover from a short-lived "federation" that many of them joined in the 1930s....?
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The Super-N1K and P-77B are great designs. Nice one!
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Love the Japanese float fighter :-* Very Blackburn B.44!
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Thanks, guys, I'm glad you liked those. The Japanese fighter had been on my drawing board for a while now and I'm glad to get at least the basic line art for it done.
Here's an updated size chart to include those three and a few others. This isn't everything I'm working on, a few spots on this chart have been redacted for security reasons.
(http://imageshack.us/a/img694/5141/axqq.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/694/axqq.png/)
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Lookin' forward to what you're gonna do to the MiG Ye-8 and the F-107! 8)
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and the Ju388
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I maaaaaay have some interesting plans for all of those. ;)
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Hey guys, Captain Buzzkill here. I do want to point out that Talos does those silhouettes for fun in his downtime, but the amount of work it takes to turn one of those into a finished profile cannot be overstated. There's a profile that Talos and I are currently working on that he had the silhouette for and that we were discussing FOUR YEARS ago. Talos will be the first one to tell you, the silhouette is the first, easiest part of the whole exercise.
All the little rivets, panel lines, complex shapes, they are SOUL SUCKING and take him far more time to complete. After that, he gets the layers to me and I can start blocking out, lighting, and shading the aircraft. Then we go over the details. I notice things he missed or needs to revise, he notices mistakes I make in the lighting and shading, and these go back and forth a few times. Finally, once I'm happy with the lighting and shading, I can start on the detailing, texturing, weathering, etc.
Once all that's done, the aircraft paint schemes are the relatively easy part. I then apply the markings and Talos often helps with any custom markings I can't easily find at the quality we need. When that's all done I write up a few paragraphs of back story behind the profile. So, done? Not quite. I have to save the image in about 10 different sizes and formats for all the previews and images: cropped for close-ups of the nose art and special markings, on the blue gradient background, on the white background, with the small signature or the full descriptive text, PNG and JPG, etc. I then have to upload it to DeviantArt so you can all see the lovely full-size image, upload the images to Photobucket, and start posting it. I generally make posts on Beyond the Sprues, DeviantArt (obviously), What If forums, and sometimes Spinners. Since I usually enter it in a group build, you can add a new thread and a few more posts to that. If I show the WIP images, then I have to upload all those and link all of them, too.
Finally, Talos and I also try to make it a point to reply to all of the comments received on all the forums, this one especially. Beyond the Sprues is really our home base. Then, we start getting calls for structural modifications, most of which we will have been considering already for the past 4 years but don't know when we'd ever get to them.
Again all I'm saying is that the silhouettes are very cool and plenty of work in and of themselves, but that there are many hundreds of hours of work before you're going to see any profiles to the level of the P-61 and He 100, for instance. That having been said, Talos does his own profiles, as well, so you may see one of those sooner.
Cheers,
Logan
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Precisely. These are just boilerplate starting points for me. I like to do them as a start to gauge the shape and size (particularly the size in comparison to other aircraft). There are a couple on here that Logan has no interest in, for instance, like the F8U-3, that we won't be collaborating on. Others like the Ju 388 are ones we've talked about how we like the plane, so I did up a beginning point and threw it in.
That being said, one of the silhouettes on here is being actively worked on, albeit still in the early detailing stages, for an eventual profile with Logan. I won't post a normal shot of that one until it's a lot closer to having the basic detailing done. Some of these will only ever get the line art treatment from me and will be posted as such here, but I hope to get back into the shaded profile game myself one day. It's been...a little too long since I've managed a finished one. That's down the line though, first and foremost I'm working on finishing up the world for the CWS GB profile. I think this one will catch you guys off-guard and knock your socks off. ;)
And as for where I post, most of it's here, at least with my aircraft stuff. I post most of my scifi stuff on Wolf's Shipyard forum and, when I remember to, also repost my collaborations with Logan. Sometimes on my Deviantart as well. I do respond on all three of these sites if anyone ever has a question or comment, though.
Now to get back to work and knock out some line art this evening...
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Thanks for the info guys. Sometimes people forget that a really detailed profile takes as much work to complete as a really detailed model kit.
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As much after reading that I am in awe, I have never put that much effort into a kit, I don't have the patience or skill required. Love your work guys, keep it up.
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Yep.
Looking at a small (computer screen size) image of a Talos/Logan profile, you see a well made, very precise, profile. Go and peek at one of the huge full size images, though...
... the amount of detail is amazing. It cannot happen overnight.
So far, I haven't considered committing to such big productions. I worry that I'd run out of steam before anything comes out of it.
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I worry that I'd run out of steam before anything comes out of it.
It's been known to happen. ;)
Cheers,
Logan
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Two of those new silouhets are due to info I passed on and may be a subject of another Damian/Talso collab sometime in the far future.
Once I am done with my solo project I will be dusting off balnks from out Macross collab too :)
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As much after reading that I am in awe, I have never put that much effort into a kit, I don't have the patience or skill required. Love your work guys, keep it up.
Thanks! We do our best!
Thanks for the info guys. Sometimes people forget that a really detailed profile takes as much work to complete as a really detailed model kit.
To be honest, most of my drawing time on these seems to be idly researching and getting carried away, sitting staring at the computer screen for several hours doing nothing, or spending forever tweaking a shape to get it just right. With the proper inspiration, mood, resources, and not having to go in and redo everything when different sources give me something different, I can work up a basic profile (no rivets and such) in no time. That just....doesn't happen very often these days.
I worry that I'd run out of steam before anything comes out of it.
It's been known to happen. ;)
Cheers,
Logan
Ain't that the truth...
Two of those new silhouettes are due to info I passed on and may be a subject of another Damian/Talso collab sometime in the far future.
Once I am done with my solo project I will be dusting off blanks from out Macross collab too :)
Yeah, it's because of guys like you and Logan I'm turning into a line art factory. :P
Really, the boilerplates are like design drafts, just have to figure out where they go in the queue to be finished. Some are just idle whims too (B-70, I'm looking at you), and others get a quick workup done for other reasons, like that WA-22 flying boat under the Valkyrie. I saw it on Retromechanix and loved the Streamline Moderne canopy on it (I'm a big fan of that era of design) and wanted to see how it sized up to my Do 26ATT I had done, as well as see how cleanly I could get the almost organic curves of it's shape done with the minimum of cleanup needed. There's also one project I haven't even gotten to the boilerplate stage yet, but I got some good advice from the original engineer who designed the concept and I hope to start plugging away at the line art sometime this summer.
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Thanks for the info guys. Sometimes people forget that a really detailed profile takes as much work to complete as a really detailed model kit.
To be honest, most of my drawing time on these seems to be idly researching and getting carried away, sitting staring at the computer screen for several hours doing nothing, or spending forever tweaking a shape to get it just right. With the proper inspiration, mood, resources, and not having to go in and redo everything when different sources give me something different, I can work up a basic profile (no rivets and such) in no time. That just....doesn't happen very often these days.
Talos brings up a very good point. On the matter of research, people also don't see how many books we buy to research all these profiles. We use them for details, history, the whole thing from start to finish. I just got a 38 year old book in the mail yesterday to help with the current profile we're working on. Talos and I can be sitting on IM for hours, just telling each other to look at the photo on the bottom left page # of this book to see an example of what we think something depicted in some reference line art actually translates to.
For example, I bought probably $200 worth of books for just the P-61 profiles.
Cheers,
Logan
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I'll just keep checking back for the He 280 profiles.... ;)
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I'll just keep checking back for the He 280 profiles.... ;)
I really do need to work on the line art for that one, yes. It's fairly well-progressed (you can see it in the center of the size comp), but needs to be finished.
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The GD-53 Golden Dragon radar in the AIDC F-CK-1 Ching-kuo is also based on the AN/APG-67 and the aircraft is in much the same class as the F-17 so maybe that can be another source of inspiration for your radome design?
([url]http://militaryfactory.com/aircraft/imgs/aidc-fck1-ching-kuo.jpg[/url])
Very nice job!!
Would like to see this AIDC F-CK-1 in RAAF colours and markings ;)
M.A.D
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The GD-53 Golden Dragon radar in the AIDC F-CK-1 Ching-kuo is also based on the AN/APG-67 and the aircraft is in much the same class as the F-17 so maybe that can be another source of inspiration for your radome design?
Very nice job!!
Would like to see this AIDC F-CK-1 in RAAF colours and markings ;)
M.A.D
Not one of mine! That's just something Greg linked as inspiration for the F-17 Cobra.
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[url]http://i.imgur.com/qUhx4pE.jpg[/url] ([url]http://i.imgur.com/qUhx4pE.jpg[/url])
That episode left me fuming (since the P-39/P-63 family is one of my favourites) ;D
Okay okay, the story, being what it is......
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Am I seeing a T-2/F-1 in the future? ???
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[url]http://i.imgur.com/qUhx4pE.jpg[/url] ([url]http://i.imgur.com/qUhx4pE.jpg[/url])
That episode left me fuming (since the P-39/P-63 family is one of my favourites) ;D
Don't worry, Talos and I might get some What If revenge on the Japanese soon enough. ;)
Cheers,
Logan
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Don't worry, Talos and I might get some What If revenge on the Japanese soon enough. ;)
I need to hurry up and buy a replacement PC and a laptop chair so I, too, can get back to action (to finish what I started for the naval GB)......
(I haven't got a desk in my new house yet.)
To finish it, I'll need to finish up the line art for both P-77s and color them and the Japanese fighter, which I need to get a proper designation. It's called the Harurashi.
If I remember correctly, most if not all Japanese indigenous aircraft in that show are made by a fictional Taizen Aviation Industry company. So my guess is that Harurashi would likely be designated "N[insert type number here]T"?
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That episode left me fuming (since the P-39/P-63 family is one of my favourites) ;D
Okay okay, the story, being what it is......
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Am I seeing a T-2/F-1 in the future? ???
T-2/F-1 and T-4 if Damien has his way...
I'm a big fan of the P-39/63 family too, as I was telling Logan yesterday, actually.
If I remember correctly, most if not all Japanese indigenous aircraft in that show are made by a fictional Taizen Aviation Industry company. So my guess is that Harurashi would likely be designated "N[insert type number here]T"?
Yes, that would make the most sense.
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That episode left me fuming (since the P-39/P-63 family is one of my favourites) ;D
Okay okay, the story, being what it is......
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Am I seeing a T-2/F-1 in the future? ???
T-2/F-1 and T-4 if Damien has his way...
I'm a big fan of the P-39/63 family too, as I was telling Logan yesterday, actually.
If I remember correctly, most if not all Japanese indigenous aircraft in that show are made by a fictional Taizen Aviation Industry company. So my guess is that Harurashi would likely be designated "N[insert type number here]T"?
Yes, that would make the most sense.
Well I already have the T-4, one of my first vectors so may need a little refining :)
As for the F-1/T-2 I may do it myself, that way I get it before I turn 40! ;D
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Well I already have the T-4, one of my first vectors so may need a little refining :)
As for the F-1/T-2 I may do it myself, that way I get it before I turn 40! ;D
Oy, you'll get it when you get it. :P
I finished up the main line art for the profile Logan and I are working on for the GB, so I fiddled with this for a while since I'm trying to work up the courage to do the next portion for that profile (you'll understand when we post it and mum's the word until then).
(http://imageshack.us/a/img845/4937/gyva.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/845/gyva.jpg/)
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*excited*
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m326t84Yp31qbhtrto1_500.gif)
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Make that two of us
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m326t84Yp31qbhtrto1_500.gif)
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I love that gif. As far as the profile we're doing, it's almost done. I really think you guys are going to like it a lot. I think the subject is going to be really popular, but I will give you a bit of a hint. I wouldn't be surprised if half of you have probably never heard of it before, yet it's going to be very familiar nonetheless.
Cheers,
Logan
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Would like to see this AIDC F-CK-1 in RAAF colours and markings ;)
Not one of mine! That's just something Greg linked as inspiration for the F-17 Cobra.
Come to think about it, that's probably the closest thing to a proper portrayal of production F-CK-1 over the internet......
So......
(Of course your existing projects come first- can put it behind everything else you're gonna do in terms of priority.)
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I wouldn't be surprised if half of you have probably never heard of it before, yet it's going to be very familiar nonetheless.
It has at least one so distinctive shape that people will figure out who designed it...
... but if it had gone into production, who would have used it?
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Glad you guys are looking forward to the Ye-8. I didn't know much about it when Logan pointed me at it and suggested it, but I've since really gotten into the design and I'm having a good time with it.
Come to think about it, that's probably the closest thing to a proper portrayal of production F-CK-1 over the internet......
So......
(Of course your existing projects come first- can put it behind everything else you're gonna do in terms of priority.)
I hadn't planned anything with the F-CK-1, though I do like the design. Maybe one day.
It has at least one so distinctive shape that people will figure out who designed it...
... but if it had gone into production, who would have used it?
Yes....also, the US would have used it.
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There's a name for people like you pair...I think this image hints at what I am thinking:
(http://doblelol.com/uploads/10/detention-funny.jpg)
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There's a name for people like you pair...I think this image hints at what I am thinking:
Fine, fine, I'll put my shirt back on. Jeeze....
I don't want to give away too much from teasing, so instead I'll post a mockup I did the other day of something I'd like to fiddle with in the future. Developed versions, newer gun turrets, solid gun noses, radar-equipped night fighters, Blenheim replacements, and maybe even twin booms.
(http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/7872/jkdg.jpg)
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ooohh Martin Maryland 8) i can think of at least 3 Finnish schemes that would suit this one (thinking Blenhiem, hehe)
;) joe
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ooohh Martin Maryland 8) i can think of at least 3 Finnish schemes that would suit this one (thinking Blenhiem, hehe)
;) joe
That would be the one! I've always had a soft spot for it, but only recently read up on how it was actually a pretty good little plane. I didn't realize that the only bomber ace ever got his kills in one, they did the pre- and post-battle recon for Taranto, and if they Brits had more of them they would have used them more.
Plus it's more visually interesting then both the Baltimore and Havoc. ;)
Seeing your username reminds me I need to redraw my old TSR profile. It's so old it's not compatible with my current workflow when I do profiles and I'd take the opportunity to include a lot more detail, including rivets and more ordnance. One of these days...
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Here's an updated version of the size comp featuring some of the things I've been working on, like updated F-1/T-2 line art. It also features color versions of planes I have profiles for, including my collaborations with Logan and the unshaded Do 26ATT I did. Finally, the three redacted VFX planes (explanation in our GB post) have also been uncovered.
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/th_Size-Comparison.png) (http://s229.photobucket.com/user/Talos5/media/Size-Comparison.png.html)
Click on the picture and keep clicking magnifying glasses until you get to the full size.
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Seeing the Space GB posted got me thinking about one of my favorite spaceplane designs, the X-15 derivative with the integrated ramjets in the belly, specifically this one.
(http://i.imgur.com/iTbDlan.jpg)
I sat around for a little while this evening mocking it up, then decided to mock up the X-15A-2 to compare the size of the two...then I was trying to figure out how to launch it, so I tossed in my B-70 mockup for scale purposes.
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Talos5/X-15comparison.jpg) (http://s229.photobucket.com/user/Talos5/media/X-15comparison.jpg.html)
Additionally, I've gotten a lot of work done on the Ye-8. It's coming along nicely.
(http://i.imgur.com/UoOLa0y.jpg)
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Um...... more things to look forward to...... :)
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I'm liking the developments here.
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I've had this sitting around started for a while, so I took a couple hours this evening to finish it up. In a similar vein to the Merlin-powered He 100 Buchon, it's another new engine, in this case the Jumo 004. Still needs a bit of tweaking here and there, mostly stray rivets.
(http://i.imgur.com/4SUedex.jpg)
EDIT: Recent update to the Size Comparison chart, and a larger shot of the A3D-1. I'm really pleased with how the cannons came out. In a close-up of them, they're almost dead-on.
(http://i.imgur.com/XxRKqJe.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/tNevNEB.jpg)
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The Ye-8 and He 100-Jet look promising.
I suppose the He 100 would have the same issues as Yak-15.
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The Ye-8 and He 100-Jet look promising.
I suppose the He 100 would have the same issues as Yak-15.
Yeah, it probably would have the same issues, but it does have the looks, I think. I forgot to mention it, but I threw on the same armaments package from the He 280, three 20mm MG 151s.
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Your work just seems to move from strength to strength!
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The reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated….or I just haven’t been posting much recently. That isn’t to say I’m not doing things though. Besides collaborating with Logan on more aircraft profiles, most recently out Sea Duck, I’ve been taking a break from aircraft and scifi subjects and doing something else.
Years ago I picked up, randomly, an alternative history book called 1632, about a West Virginia coal mining town from 2000 that goes back in time to 1630s Germany and is stuck there for good. It had its flaws, but I was interested in seeing what they did with it. The next two books of the series I read, 1633 and 1634: The Baltic War started a thread that I found very interesting, integrating uptime (that is, 20th century) know-how to building up a navy. Naturally I was thinking of profiles I could do from the books back then, mostly the two aircraft designs they cobbled together in the early books. In 1633 though, there was mention of them building an ironclad sailing sloop-of-war based on a design from a book by a historian named Howard Chapelle. It sounded familiar and so I looked at my bookshelf when I read that and, low and behold, there it was on my bookshelf. Some investigating later and I found the closest and most appropriate design.
I followed the modifications listed in the book and started working on a basic profile drawing of it. I intended I would do the basic hull drawing and do a basic sailing rig, then if I had to later I could flesh it out into a full, normal profile.
That sat unfinished for a couple years until 2013, when I was working as an archivist for the Museum of the Confederacy in Richmond (I was doing my senior year of college uptown from it, so it was an easy hop over on the commuter bus). I had really been getting more and more into the Civil War-era navy at the time, so getting to hold the engineering log from the Confederate Ironclad Stonewall or a journal by a Midshipman on the Shenandoah was really neat. In 1633 and TBW, one of the big threads is how they create a small squadron of ironclads and timberclads for battle on the Baltic. There was a fairly decent description of them and I thought it would be interesting to sit down and work out how it should properly look like (this especially after seeing a really, really horrible design on the 1632 Wiki…). I first did a couple three-views of ironclads to get a feel for them and then worked out a simple design that fit all the mentioned design mentions (armament, sloped casemate, catamaran hulls, basic size, and propulsion being salvaged diesel engines from large trucks). I’m also planning on using the USS Cairo as a basis for the smaller timberclads, so I put the basic Cairo in there too. The first picture I’m linking is the comparison of Ironclad designs.
(http://i.imgur.com/KVI7NoSl.jpg) (http://imgur.com/KVI7NoS)
(http://i.imgur.com/wJszjxel.jpg) (http://imgur.com/wJszjxe)
After doing those, I decided to go back and finally get the ship design I had started earlier done. It’s based on the sloop of war USS Plymouth with several modifications listed in the book. First was the depth of the hull. The real ship is 16 feet, but it’s deeper in the book, so I modified a packet hull from another of Chapelle’s books and deepened Plymouth. I also extended the spar deck bulwarks like it was mentioned, to protect the crew behind armor. The final design change I did wasn’t from the book, I converted her to a bark rig taken from her half-sister USS Albany. The fore-and-aft rigged mizzen mast cuts down on the people needed to handle it. The original ship was armed with a battery of 32 pounder long guns and four 8” shell guns while this one would have 68 pounder carronades that the Swedish king (whom this was being built for in the book) had become enamored with. Between the lighter armament and the deeper hull it probably wouldn’t have any problem carrying the extra iron armor they put on it.
(http://i.imgur.com/GMm6POKl.jpg) (http://imgur.com/GMm6POK)
With that one done, I turned my attention to other ships in the Chapelle books I had. Most of the people in the 1632 forums aren’t ardent navalists or had those books in their libraries, so I thought I would do interesting ones from them so they could see what was available for the shipyards to study from. I stayed away from the larger ships for a couple reasons, both economic and political, the ships of the line, the frigates, and so forth, and stuck with sloops-of-war, brigs, schooners, and a random assortment of other designs. I’m not going to go into detail on them right now, but a simple listing of the ones I have done so far, with more detail filled in later.
Sloops of War:
USS Macedonian
(http://i.imgur.com/dKT7vXnl.jpg) (http://imgur.com/dKT7vXn)
USS Cyane
(http://i.imgur.com/KwPPKN5l.jpg) (http://imgur.com/KwPPKN5)
USS Decatur
(http://i.imgur.com/mpLndfdl.jpg) (http://imgur.com/mpLndfd)
Brigs:
USRC Washington
(http://i.imgur.com/PXXt8wml.jpg) (http://imgur.com/PXXt8wm)
USS Oneida
(http://i.imgur.com/hSfb8aFl.jpg) (http://imgur.com/hSfb8aF)
USS Burrows
(http://i.imgur.com/zoWl0oOl.jpg) (http://imgur.com/zoWl0oO)
Schooners:
USS Grampus
(http://i.imgur.com/E6b8QzBl.jpg) (http://imgur.com/E6b8QzB)
USRC Joe Lane
(http://i.imgur.com/n1yUTBGl.jpg) (http://imgur.com/n1yUTBG)
HM Schooner Union
(http://i.imgur.com/HJ73mNql.jpg) (http://imgur.com/HJ73mNq)
Clipper City (Civilian)
(http://i.imgur.com/9kAwHgll.jpg) (http://imgur.com/9kAwHgl)
USS Onkahye
(http://i.imgur.com/7SXpNsKl.jpg) (http://imgur.com/7SXpNsK)
Unnamed sliding-keel schooner
(http://i.imgur.com/DX43y1Ml.jpg) (http://imgur.com/DX43y1M)
I also have been working on a reconstruction of a reconstruction of the Swedish battleship Tre Kronor from that time period. The second design is one I’m fiddling with for a riverine timberclad, smaller than the one mentioned in the books. This one would have a barbette with a pair of 68 pounder carronades mounted on slides as the only weapon. Essentially a mini version of the Mississippi River ironclad USS Osage. An alternate version I envision would have no roof on the barbette and a naval mortar mounted there instead. The final one is a Civil War steam gunboat, the Unadilla class, which I feel would get around a major problem they have in the series (the lack of deep-water ports. It draws less than 10 feet of water) and would give them a fairly cheap and robust steam warship without being so overpowering that good fiction couldn’t be written.
(http://i.imgur.com/KRBqqiYl.jpg) (http://imgur.com/KRBqqiY)
(http://i.imgur.com/Vid0kt8l.jpg) (http://imgur.com/Vid0kt8)
(http://i.imgur.com/9y12nPHl.jpg) (http://imgur.com/9y12nPH)
I love size comparisons (I blame some of the old aircraft posters I had above my bed as a kid!) so I’ve been throwing the drawings in together to get a feel for the relative sizes. I did two versions of the smaller and larger ships, one with the waterline trim and the other with the flat keel and the full hull exposed. As it stands, anything under 100 feet goes in the small, and anything larger in the main one. I intend to split it up later to <100 feet, 101-150, and >150 later on. The little scale figure in the waterline ones is supposed to be about 5’6”.
(http://i.imgur.com/xqdODHnh.jpg) (http://imgur.com/xqdODHn)
(http://i.imgur.com/9g1F1oKh.jpg) (http://imgur.com/9g1F1oK)
(http://i.imgur.com/quoNxjUh.jpg) (http://imgur.com/quoNxjU)
(http://i.imgur.com/PwuDq6Gh.jpg) (http://imgur.com/PwuDq6G)
Finally, I was fielding a question about a particular design being in the books, so I threw together a quick excel spreadsheet of all the plans in each of the three books of his I have.
A History of the American Sailing Navy (http://i.imgur.com/Ciq8AmRm.jpg) (http://imgur.com/Ciq8AmR)The History of American Sailing Ships (http://i.imgur.com/EnW1i5Jm.jpg) (http://imgur.com/EnW1i5J)The Search for Speed Under Sail (http://i.imgur.com/A5iutJOm.jpg) (http://imgur.com/A5iutJO)
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Thanks for posting these profiles. Have a few sailing ship kits. Like to build as 1/72 motorized w/o sails. Vintage slow (10-12 kt) gunboat with a few updates. Studied a few; find their hulls & decks awkward to figure out how/what to change.
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The reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated….or I just haven’t been posting much recently. That isn’t to say I’m not doing things though. Besides collaborating with Logan on more aircraft profiles, most recently out Sea Duck, I’ve been taking a break from aircraft and scifi subjects and doing something else.
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I figured that Logan would've said something if you'd gone totally missing... :)
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1632 is the start of quite a series and resulted in a continuing forum on Baen's Bar. Eric Flint is quite a character in person as well as a writer.
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Thanks for posting these profiles. Have a few sailing ship kits. Like to build as 1/72 motorized w/o sails. Vintage slow (10-12 kt) gunboat with a few updates. Studied a few; find their hulls & decks awkward to figure out how/what to change.
Best thing to do is sketch out some ideas and work from there. If the kits come with plans, copy the hull design from there and try out various superstructure shapes and equipment and all.
I figured that Logan would've said something if you'd gone totally missing... :)
No kidding. He would have sounded the jailbreak alarm. :P
1632 is the start of quite a series and resulted in a continuing forum on Baen's Bar. Eric Flint is quite a character in person as well as a writer.
These are actually from my thread at Baen’s Bar! The series is pretty fun, but the arguments about tech, tactics, logistics, etc, in the Bar are even better.
Speaking of the Bar, here is another post I made earlier today with a design I’ve been fiddling with.
Since I started doing my drawings here, I’ve intended to do all the canon ones I could do. The timberclads stood out from the beginning as one I should do, but I’ve had problems for a while trying to figure out how I wanted it to look. The first thing I did was throw out some rather silly elements for a small river boat. The first was the four foot thick casemate. That would mean a significant amount of the ship’s beam would just be solid wood. The original timberclads only had about five inches of wood (they were light armor), for comparison. A couple feet would be perfectly fine and even Constitution herself only had 21 inch-thick sides. 48 inches would be insane, especially on a smaller riverboat.
The other one was the full catamaran hulls. In a river boat, catamaran hulls don’t give any advantage over full ones. Instead of that, I stretched the definition to include some stern paddle-wheelers like the Cairo (which I based my design on), the Essex, and the Benton. In all three of those designs, the hull is one piece until you get to the paddlewheel at the stern, where it splits into two wrapping around the paddle wheel. The Benton was originally a full catamaran snag boat called the Submarine No. 7. When it was converted into a gunboat, the first thing the owner did was plank in the two hulls to get more storage space for stores, coal, water, and ammo.
Having selected the Cairo as the basic model (due to the publicity of it being raised in the 60s and turned into a museum and the excellent National Parks Service blueprints of her), I thought about sizes. The ironclad was easy to size since it was mentioned as being about 30 feet longer than the nearly 150 foot long sailing ironclad they were building for Gustav. The timberclads were not, just mentioned as being somewhat smaller. I initially went with 100 feet long, 25 feet wide, and with a 3 foot draft, based on the dimensions of the Eider Canal. This resulted in an incredibly-cramped design for twelve guns, the crews to man them, coal bunkers, the steam engine and boilers, and the ability to manage to sail across the English Channel. I tried to eek everything out on that hull form, which was also substantially narrower than the Cairo’s proportions (175’ x ~50’ x 6’), even resorting to trickery like slicing off the “knuckles” on the beam of the ship and making them removable, increasing the beam to about 32 feet when they were installed. I did eventually give up on that size for the book timberclads, but did develop a small, two-gun riverboat based on that hull-form. With two carronades or a mortar and a very low profile, it would be just fine for operating on the total extent of the Danube, for instance.
The ship languished there for a while until I started reading Myron Smith’s Tinclads and Timberclads books and learning the original ships and how combat was done on the rivers. What shocked me when I was reading was the dimensions of the original three timberclads (Tyler/Taylor, Lexington, and Conestoga). They were all fairly long, two of them about as long as my ironclad design, but they all had much narrower beams than I expected. I decided to go back and try again, but this time with a bigger ship that actually had room for everything. I used the Cairo as a basis for the hull design again, but narrower for her length. The only parts that stayed the same were the smokestacks and paddlewheel cover, the casemate looks the same but every proportion of it is different. My aimed goal was 140’ x 40’ x 4’ for the length, beam, and draft. It ended up being those dimensions at the start of the raked bow, which added a few feet to the final length. Notable changes I made to the original design were bringing the rudders underneath the stern to reduce their vulnerability and adding a bit of sheer to the hull like the Essex had. A trick riverboats could do was have the keel inside. To strengthen the hull, I picture it with five keel structures going forward and aft. One on the centerline, two outboard, and then two more at the corners of the lower hull. The two middle ones then form the inner walls of the paddlewheel well and the rudders are attached to the ends of them where they protrude from the stern. More bulkheads going side to side form a series of watertight compartments throughout the lower hull, spaces to put stores, coal, water, ammo, and leaving an open area in the center to place the boilers in (protruding with the condensers and engines above into the casemate).
I didn’t put anything on the upper deck besides a representation of the conning tower and a pair of Mitrailleuse fore and aft. I’m including a larger copy of the latter to show some of the details. It’s based on a diagram of a French one from the Franco-Prussian War, with a naval mount inspired by the Hotchkiss guns. The real ship would have plenty of unarmored deckhouses, including cabin space for the officers, as well as davits for boats set in for greater protection from the sea.
(http://i.imgur.com/q0wUsakl.jpg) (http://imgur.com/q0wUsak) (http://i.imgur.com/43TqLH3m.jpg) (http://imgur.com/43TqLH3)
I envision three different ship designs all based on the same hull and machinery with each of them focusing on one particular thing. They are:
Timberclad-A (the one in the books and replicated here), well-balanced design with a large number of guns and the heaviest armor.
Timberclad-B: Based on the uptime USS Neosho and Osage ironclads and my mini-gunboat I mentioned earlier in this post (which I’m attaching to it too, to give an idea of the shape). Heavily rounded armor and a pair of long guns or a large mortar in either a turret or bulwark. Focus for this one is heavy guns. The picture I’m attaching is the basic drawing I was working on for the smaller ship, but it’s roughly the same design, just scaled up.
(http://i.imgur.com/KddQpSal.jpg) (http://imgur.com/KddQpSa) (http://i.imgur.com/xoHu6UWl.jpg) (http://imgur.com/xoHu6UW)
Timberclad-C: Based on the original Timberclad’s hull form. Lighter armor, but much more cargo space for men and supplies. I’m currently working on drawing this one and I’ll go for the full Timberclad look for now, which means a second deck aft, with open bulwarks ahead of them. I envision them equipped with extra tackle so an embarked artillery company can put their guns up there and use them to beef up the ship’s armament.
(http://i.imgur.com/PXjpgSEl.jpg) (http://imgur.com/PXjpgSE)
Finally, here it is with other ironclads of the era to get an idea of size. The two SSIM ships are 1632 ones, the rest are Union and Confederate ironclads of the Civil War.
(http://i.imgur.com/Sbp0I58l.jpg) (http://imgur.com/Sbp0I58)
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I figured that Logan would've said something if you'd gone totally missing... :)
No kidding. He would have sounded the jailbreak alarm. :P
Hey, Polikarpov, Tupolev, Petlyakov, and Myasishchev designed some of the motherland's finest aircraft in prison. Now get me those engine lines or you can forget about your gruel ration tomorrow!
Cheers,
Logan
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Hey, Polikarpov, Tupolev, Petlyakov, and Myasishchev designed some of the motherland's finest aircraft in prison. Now get me those engine lines or you can forget about your gruel ration tomorrow!
Cheers,
Logan
Da...I'm in good company! And I got those ready and forgot to send them. Check your Dropbox folder.
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Now get me those engine lines or you can forget about your gruel ration tomorrow!
Comrade, you feed your prisoners daily gruel? Bloody luxury!!!
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That's what I keep telling him!
Cheers,
Logan
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Must be one of those Re-education camps of a less strict regime that are hinted at existing.