Beyond The Sprues
Current and Finished Projects => Physical Models => Sea => Topic started by: kpnuts on April 23, 2018, 03:58:22 AM
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Hi all I was given this and the Bismark for a Christmas pressie from my daughter and son I bought what i thought was the pe for this kit (which cost more than the kit and I now discover is still not the full pe for it, i will buy the rest but just have to wait a bit) so I was thinking I quite like the pics by Eduard and pontos (others are availiable) of the pe on the finished ship with no paint on it and was thinking maybe I would do that with just a slight difference being I would weather the pe but leave it unpainted. What do you all think, I quite like the pe showing I think it adds interest(i know it's not very accurate but let's face it I'm pretty rubbish with this modelling lark and I very seldom build as per the instructions anyway.
So here is my start on this build
(http://i66.tinypic.com/25klc20.jpg)
(http://i67.tinypic.com/a1shz9.jpg)
(http://i63.tinypic.com/wrnla0.jpg)
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Made a start on the decking (Will be using pastels for the decking this is just the base coat.
(http://i64.tinypic.com/fvjmdy.jpg)
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If you're rubbish at modelling, I'm pathetic & should take up something like rock hammering*!
*Rock hammering = hold hammer in preferred hand, put rock on ground, hit rock with hammer, try not to injure self too severely.
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That rock hammering is tricky stuff so many problems to over come wind resistance, trajectory, force. Its way over my pay grade, good luck with that.
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I find selecting the correct hammer the hard bit.
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If Bugs can do it...
(https://i2.wp.com/gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Bugs-Bunny-Hitting-Rock-in-Jail.gif?ssl=1)
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If Bugs can do it...
(https://i2.wp.com/gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Bugs-Bunny-Hitting-Rock-in-Jail.gif?ssl=1)
Yep, that'd be my speed! Probably with the same facial expression, too. ;D
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Thats how i look when im really concentrating ( which performing such a complex task i would be)
Well im a bit annoyed with eduard.
I started putting the pe portholes on and got 10 done and thought hang on theres something wrong here ( they give you 50 pe portholes) counted down one side theres 63 (it does say optional parts) optional or not they should at least supply enough for the job. And now im thinking about it what about all the pprtholes on the super structure.
When i built the warspite i had loads of parts left on tge sprue that wernt mentioned anywhere in tge instructions ive since discovered they were ment to be portholes they look a bit different to the ones eduard supply but maybe i will use them.
I managed to get the portholes off without damaging the paintwork too much. As i say maybe i will try the warspite ones will have a count up and see if theres enough.
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Hi all well I've done the decking and weathered the hull.
I'm surprised how much bigger this is than the warspite she also quite a bit wider.
(http://i67.tinypic.com/2h4yjyc.jpg)
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Looking good.
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:smiley: ;)
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Hi all well I hope you can see these pics, here is the next update.
(http://i64.tinypic.com/wam72s.jpg)
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Your pics are suddenly not showing - did you change something?
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That's strange I've changed nothing but elsewhere I've had this said not sure how to get round it as I can see the pics so I can't tell if others can't it only seems (so far to be on 2 forums and even then not on all posts)
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I see pic's. :smiley:
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They're showing now...odd. ???
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Hi all well the rest of the eduard pe has arrived now I have to cut off all the little boxes I just spent ages painting on the decks also the blast shields and all the doors off all the superstructure
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Hi all well I've added a miniscule amount of the huge amount of pe to this and I've realised someone made a big mistake how do you open these doors.
(http://i67.tinypic.com/fc1pp3.jpg)
(http://i65.tinypic.com/mhxf8l.jpg)
Encase you can't see from the pics there is a box about 1 mill in font of a 3 mill door
(http://i64.tinypic.com/t8m0iq.jpg)
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Well it's been a long time since I put a ship on a stand (usually I have them in a dio of some sort) I think the last one I put on a stand was the La Royale de France.
I'm not sure I like the supplied stand maybe I will put her in a dry dock.
(http://i67.tinypic.com/2cnjx53.jpg)
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Stand looks very basic compared to what you're putting together there.
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Like contrast of wood look main deck with light & dark gray superstructure. Is good.
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Hi all well this will probably be my last update before we get back from our hols we will be packing tomorrow night.
Got to say I'm really looking forward to a week in the sun doing nothing at all with a drink in my hand and my every whim catered for.
(http://i65.tinypic.com/fnvjsx.jpg)
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I'm thinking of drilling out all the portholes (I say thinking as there are a lot of them)
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Hi all the pe really does make a big difference, I'm still not great at it but even with my ham fisted efforts I still think it looks better (of course if I painted it it would help to hide my errors) I still like the improvements though.
The first 2 pics are how the parts would be oob that is the completed part.
(http://i64.tinypic.com/snorau.jpg)
(http://i68.tinypic.com/2bpe88.jpg)
And this is with the added pe
(http://i67.tinypic.com/s2utjo.jpg)
(http://i67.tinypic.com/21dizr6.jpg)
And here it is in place
(http://i63.tinypic.com/2zzucfn.jpg)
(http://i66.tinypic.com/5agniw.jpg)
(http://i68.tinypic.com/2ik37ty.jpg)
That part is only 10mm so is really small.
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Hi all well to say I'm disappointed with eduard pe is an understatement I've removed the plastic from the deck that the eduard instructions tell you to so how do I put the box when folded in the first two pics over the larger box.
(http://i65.tinypic.com/1zelgcm.jpg)
(http://i66.tinypic.com/14luj2h.jpg)
There are several more folded boxes so I assume I will have the same problem with them, that is problem one with the eduard set number two the instructions show 2 part 30 and there are indeed two boxes on the deck which need those parts here is what eduard supply
(http://i67.tinypic.com/2113yp0.jpg)
As you can see only 1 part 30 and of course as I've already mentioned earlier in the build there are no where near enough scuttles supplied.
Number 3 their numbering on the frets has no logic at all number 84 being next to number 172 171 being next to 80 takes longer to find the part than it takes to atattch it.
Number 4 the folding instructions are pretty much non existent.
I've not had a lot of experience with pe but considering eduard are up there with the priceyest. I have to say it's the worst I've used so far. I think I will stick with mk1 and pontos from now on.
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To me, PE is the definition of insanity and I hate it so much I refer to it as photo retch. When I try to work with it, I end up sling-shotting pieces all over the place that are never found or at least not found for years until stuck fast to some part of my house.
I cannot commend you enough for your bravery and skill working with this stuff.
Brian da Basher
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Hi all here is an example of the eduard instructions.
The circle shows pe to be added to the top of the boxes (anything to be removed is highlighted in red) as you can see from the pencil arrow and as you can see from the fret it's not even the right shape the boxes as modelled by Tamiya (who I'm inclined to believe above eduard) are oblong eduard model them square. I'm using the eduard pe as I bought it but judging by what I've seen so far I don't trust eduard, Tamiya on the other hand are a well respected model producer with years of experience behind them. This is definitely the very last eduard pe I will buy. What annoys me most is they are supposed to be a premium pe producer as I've now discovered paying premium prices with pe dosnt mean you get premium products.
I've not had much experience with pe but the cheapest I've bought so far is the mk1 pe and it blows eduard out the water.
Someone said they do great aircraft pe (the best available, well I say to eduard stick to aircraft, I don't build aircraft so not a product I'm ever likely to buy)
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Hi all well now we've got our phone and internet back I can start posting again
Here are the kit supplied pompoms
(http://i66.tinypic.com/2li7am0.jpg)
(http://i68.tinypic.com/nq4t55.jpg)
Which to be fair are pretty good
Stupidly I used the eduard ones to be fair they are amazing trouble is I have to now make 7 more of them.
(http://i67.tinypic.com/raq8wg.jpg)
(http://i68.tinypic.com/sysb6f.jpg)
(http://i68.tinypic.com/15x7mub.jpg)
(http://i67.tinypic.com/drbitk.jpg)
(http://i64.tinypic.com/vpktj4.jpg)
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I'm not sure the effort of PE in that scale is worth the h-f but, even though the kit parts are good, the Eduard version does look brilliant. 8)
Good luck! :smiley:
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I'm not sure the effort of PE in that scale is worth the h-f but, even though the kit parts are good, the Eduard version does look brilliant. 8)
Good luck! :smiley:
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Hi all, well I seem to have so little time for modelling these days, i would have done double this in a day a yr ago, it's annoying how little time I get for modelling these days.
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hi all more PE done sorry for the glacially slow progress but I don't get much modelling time these days.
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I think the PE looks amazing. At 1/350 it does make a difference.
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Hi all loads still to add to this part, slow going but I do feel I'm getting there
(http://i66.tinypic.com/2urtj52.jpg)
(http://i68.tinypic.com/bdl4rr.jpg)
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I will admit due to my abysmally poor modelling skills I've missed some pe out, as a bit of fun can you spot out the bits I've missed out.
I think PE is pretty much beyond my ability now so I can't see me buying any more.
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The PE details that you have added to the ship's boats makes them look 1000% better than the kit bits. I had to go back and look at the topic title to make sure this was not a larger scale kit than the actual 1:350th scale. The wood deck sections also make this a very attractive model. Bravo Zulu! :)
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Sorry no wooden deck sections (I used pastels) ,pleased you thought they were wood though.
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Blame it on the bifocals then. :)
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Blame it on the bifocals then. :)
HELL NO! :o
Hold your wooden deck painting skill set high to inspire mere mortals & guide them to the light of self-painted decks, rather than the dark arts of wooden deck decals! :icon_meditation: :icon_alabanza:
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Hi all here is the next update,
This sub assy is finished (well as much as I'm prepared to do) I like the unpainted brass standing out against the weathered painted parts, i just wish I had the skills to use all the PE (although to be honest I don't think you would notice the bits I've left out)
(http://i65.tinypic.com/rkues5.jpg)
(http://i64.tinypic.com/2hgye5k.jpg)
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(http://i68.tinypic.com/33xu2wk.jpg)
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Hi all here is the next update,
This sub assy is finished (well as much as I'm prepared to do) I like the unpainted brass standing out against the weathered painted parts, i just wish I had the skills to use all the PE (although to be honest I don't think you would notice the bits I've left out)
(http://i65.tinypic.com/rkues5.jpg)
(http://i64.tinypic.com/2hgye5k.jpg)
(http://i66.tinypic.com/3163hco.jpg)
(http://i68.tinypic.com/33xu2wk.jpg)
(http://i67.tinypic.com/ftljx4.jpg)
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Hi all here is the crane from the kit.
(http://i68.tinypic.com/b7avwk.jpg)
And here it is after the PE
(http://i65.tinypic.com/166j39i.jpg)
(http://i67.tinypic.com/i4ny90.jpg)
(http://i64.tinypic.com/2s77wvs.jpg)
(http://i65.tinypic.com/jai0iu.jpg)
(http://i67.tinypic.com/2e17fjs.jpg)
Does anyone know did these cranes have windows in the top (I mean I don't think they stood out on those railings to hoist the ships boats on board) I can't find photos of the cranes details, I would think it would be a fairly simple job to add them if they were there.
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Here is the next sub assy I'm going to attack
(http://i63.tinypic.com/inbgvq.jpg)
(http://i65.tinypic.com/t0qmq0.jpg)
The eduard PE comes with PE Oerlikons but I like the kit ones
(http://i64.tinypic.com/2zrkqa0.jpg)
One of the reasons is the barrels on the kit parts are round also the PE parts are too thin.
I'm adding some of the PE to the kit Oerlikons to make them more realistic (I could add more PE to it but it's soooooooooooooooooòoo small I've left it off)( of course a lot of modellers would be able to add it but I don't have the skills)
(http://i67.tinypic.com/11u7o85.jpg)
(http://i67.tinypic.com/1629w60.jpg)
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top work. That much PE would drive me crazy
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top work. That much PE would drive me crazy
+1 :smiley:
Me, too. :-\
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top work. That much PE would drive me crazy
+1 :smiley:
Me, too. :-\
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Specially like crane.
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A hint for when PE is too flat for the object being represented, paint the offending bit (usually after folding and assembling) with some PVA (white) glue. Just a titch. It will tend to round out the flat PE providing a much better 3D effect. Especially in this scale.
Paul
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That's a fantastic tip! Will keep that in mind the next time I have to deal with photo-etch.
Helpful hints like this are one of the fringe benefits of our Fine Forum.
Brian da Basher
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Hi all well I finally got some modelling time (Its a rare thing these days)
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Those are some fine looking details and I'm glad you found time for modeling.
Brian da Basher
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I'm looking at your work & thinking "Do I have the patience to put all that together for my 1/350 ships?" & the answer is a resounding "NO!" :o
Great work, mate! :smiley:
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Hi all proof I've not given up on this.
Here is one of the four pom poms on the next part (they just take so long)
(http://i63.tinypic.com/dytb4g.jpg)
Here are the unfolded magazine casings for the rest of them
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Here they are folded
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Now I just have to cut the magazine's themselves and bend them then fit them, oh and then cut out and bend the body's, then cut off the magazine's off the plastic parts, oh then bend the cages for the magazines.
I really don't think I will do PE pompoms again.
I saw somewhere where someone makes resin and PE pompoms for 1/700 scale ships that have 100+ parts, including metal barrels. Whoever undertakes those is either a hero or totally insane, or maybe a masochist.
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I saw somewhere where someone makes resin and PE pompoms for 1/700 scale ships that have 100+ parts, including metal barrels. Whoever undertakes those is either a hero or totally insane, or maybe a masochist.
And here I was thinking you were crazy! :o
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Finally got the pompoms done on this part (get less and less modelling time these days)
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Hi all teeny tiny bit more done
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Hi all nearing the end now ( I say that hopefully)
As is now
(http://i65.tinypic.com/k3vz3s.jpg)
(http://i66.tinypic.com/16jh3dg.jpg)
With all the PE on the decks
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(http://i63.tinypic.com/2db9xj6.jpg)
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Hi all, well apart from the Oerlikons all the deck furniture is done, i think, hope?
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"Miniscule" is a word that keeps popping into my head when I look at these images, closely followed by "optometrist" & "psychologist". :-\
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Bit of a catastrophe on this one missus knocked one of the sub assemblies off the bench, i can't find the pe range finder also can't find the bit the crane is held between on the 2 bits that both broke off to say I'm annoyed is an understatement, i was going to try and finish the Oerlikons this weekend, also some of the pe mast stuff is missing or bent (hopefully I can straighten that out.
(https://i.ibb.co/Jq10V0P/IMG-20181124-4358.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/fx06vnL/IMG-20181124-27682.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/jv6yw4s/IMG-20181124-36193.jpg)
Not sure what else is missing I'm hoping anything else won't notice.
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Oh dear! :o
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Maybe use the old nylon over the end of the vacuum cleaner trick to suck up everything on the floor and then sift through it to find the missing PE?
Let's face it., it hasn't disintegrated, it's down there somewhere.
???
Paul
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Hi all well I finally got some modelling time and I've fixed what I can and I've now glued the sub assy's to the deck (I know it will make adding further pe problematical but I figure the whole ship will have to be knocked off the bench to damage bits in the future)
(https://i.ibb.co/2NkBZ2c/IMG-20190104-42774.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/N2Q6B7K/IMG-20190104-49529.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/M7w2PdR/IMG-20190104-14141.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/xLqbgQG/IMG-20190104-30207.jpg)
So now I have about a gazillion bits of PE to add to the Oerlikons, then all the railings, build and add the last set of pompoms to the stern big guns, add the pe to those guns and the job should be a goodun.
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Wow - I'm close to speechless. And me chickened out adding PE handles to a 1/72 canopy. Excellent job :D
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Mostly do aircraft builds. Considering a ship in 2019. Turned attention to study of King George build pictures. Is complex-intricate when drilling down to fine detail you are.
What happens to most of PE ? Is it painted to ship color or left bare ? Never used it; certain adhesives you do or don't recommend for PE ?
Some parts look too fine to manipulate. Impressive crackerjack build. :o :smiley:
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Hi all well all the Oerlikons are finally done as is the last of the pompoms (I accidentally stuck the shields on the wrong way round on the first of this set of Oerlikons and thought the brass showed up better so I've done all the rest the wrong way round (if you use the etched detail side you can hardly notice the pe)(here's a challenge try to find the ones with the pe the right way round they hardly notice)
(https://i.ibb.co/vJZSrHf/IMG-20190109-1158.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/XbTctDb/IMG-20190109-59397.jpg)
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Hi mate normally the pe is painted after attachment (some pe detail is so fine painting will hide that detail) also some is so small as to be pointless to add (as an example on my warspite build)(warspite gets a few scars) there is a small gusset (acctually 4, 2 each side)under the catapult that measure 1.5 by 1 millimetre, what is the point of them once on no one will ever see them,. My personal opinion is use what you want of it to avoid hours of frustration.
I use Poundland superglue unless the part might take a while to get in the right place in which case I use pva glue, i use a cocktail stick to apply the glue to either the part or the area the part is supposed to be placed (sometimes the latter is easier especially when using pva glue)
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Oh how I wish I hadn't glued the sub assy's on putting the railings around them is proving to be a royal pita, I've even tried prying them off (why is it that you really glue something well and it falls off if you sneeze, you just tack something and it's stuck fast) grrrrrrrrr I think I've just made this a million times harder, i should not have got paranoid that the sub assy's would get knocked to the floor again.
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Hi all here is the best tip you will ever get, never ever glue the sub assy's to the deck if you're using pe this piece of pe took 2 hrs and ive left a piece out as I see no way of bending it and getting it in place (tbh it's so small even if I added it I doubt it would show anyway)
(https://i.ibb.co/Tr4nkL1/IMG-20190209-37390.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/MMWybvJ/IMG-20190209-44603.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/NFTwWZ9/IMG-20190209-51233.jpg)
Once again DO NOT GLUE SUB ASSYS TO THE DECK IF USING PE.
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Gotcha! :smiley:
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Hi all that's all the PE attached just the rigging to do now (not looking forward to that) I say all the PE there are some steps and platforms to add to the sides but I will add them after it's on a stand as I already broke the platform off the one set of stairs which I added and lost the platform for them, i figure it will be safer to leave them till last.
(https://i.ibb.co/Jx3XS4Q/IMG-20190221-8512.jpg)
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She's a big beastie! :smiley:
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Well she's finally finished, now I can get on with some of my other stalled builds.
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