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Re: Airacobra, Kingcobra, and Airabonita Ideas and Inspirations
« Reply #76 on: March 23, 2014, 03:26:57 AM »
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Re: Airacobra, Kingcobra, and Airabonita Ideas and Inspirations
« Reply #77 on: March 23, 2014, 03:50:12 AM »
Though admittedly attractive and certainly worth someone having a go at modelling. ;)
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Re: Airacobra, Kingcobra, and Airabonita Ideas and Inspirations
« Reply #78 on: March 23, 2014, 01:28:46 PM »
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Re: Airacobra, Kingcobra, and Airabonita Ideas and Inspirations
« Reply #79 on: May 26, 2015, 04:30:57 AM »
Does anyone know if you can get kits or conversions of the twin seat P-39/P-63...preferably in 1/48:



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Re: Airacobra, Kingcobra, and Airabonita Ideas and Inspirations
« Reply #80 on: May 26, 2015, 04:54:34 AM »
Does anyone know if you can get kits or conversions of the twin seat P-39/P-63...preferably in 1/48:





there was a resin & vac conversion a few years ago .... not sure what scale or manufacturer.

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Re: Airacobra, Kingcobra, and Airabonita Ideas and Inspirations
« Reply #81 on: August 05, 2016, 09:37:30 PM »
How about, as we are doing a Scalorama build, a 1/48 Airacobra done as a 1/72 attack bomber, torpedo bomber, or dive bomber?

Most of the naval types, Devastator, Dauntless, Avenger, Barracuda etc. were about 50% larger than the P-39.  Using the Griffon, Sabre, Vulture or even some of the radial option suggested earlier in the topic for the required extra power, you could possibly also incorporate an internal bomb bay and maybe a 57mm Mollins gun in place of the 37mm Oldsmobile cannon.  A bubble canopy or glass house and one, two or three crew.  Maybe if its done as a tail dragger there could be a bomb aimers position in the nose.

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Re: Airacobra, Kingcobra, and Airabonita Ideas and Inspirations
« Reply #82 on: July 19, 2020, 04:06:42 AM »
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Re: Airacobra, Kingcobra, and Airabonita Ideas and Inspirations
« Reply #83 on: June 22, 2021, 02:52:10 AM »

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Re: Airacobra, Kingcobra, and Airabonita Ideas and Inspirations
« Reply #84 on: June 22, 2021, 03:00:07 AM »

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Re: Airacobra, Kingcobra, and Airabonita Ideas and Inspirations
« Reply #85 on: June 22, 2021, 03:01:18 AM »
Random ideas:

Mexican or Brazilian P-63s.
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Re: Airacobra, Kingcobra, and Airabonita Ideas and Inspirations
« Reply #86 on: June 23, 2021, 10:34:35 AM »
I saw a pic of a P-39 with the front removed from the cockpit forward. All I could see was the start of an attack helicopter. Two cockpits stacked like a Hind. I’ll have to find a couple Monogram kits and see what happens.

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Re: Airacobra, Kingcobra, and Airabonita Ideas and Inspirations
« Reply #87 on: June 23, 2021, 09:23:54 PM »
That RAF trials P-63 aircraft looks more than doable -----

And the Twin Cobra has peaked my interest too, maybe with King Cobra fins though, or even the extended P-63 fin that you can/could get from Obscureco (got one in the stash too)
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Re: Airacobra, Kingcobra, and Airabonita Ideas and Inspirations
« Reply #88 on: June 24, 2021, 02:42:21 AM »
Carrier based anyone?

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Re: Airacobra, Kingcobra, and Airabonita Ideas and Inspirations
« Reply #89 on: June 24, 2021, 03:15:27 AM »
I saw a pic of a P-39 with the front removed from the cockpit forward. All I could see was the start of an attack helicopter. Two cockpits stacked like a Hind. I’ll have to find a couple Monogram kits and see what happens.

The infamous TP-39 may be a useful guide.  ;)

https://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/lendlease/p-39/tp-39/twoseaterp-39.htm



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Re: Airacobra, Kingcobra, and Airabonita Ideas and Inspirations
« Reply #90 on: July 01, 2021, 01:38:43 PM »
His Areocobra had a nosewheel normally attached.  It wasn't a lashup. 

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Re: Airacobra, Kingcobra, and Airabonita Ideas and Inspirations
« Reply #91 on: July 02, 2021, 03:48:45 AM »
Does anyone know of a 1/48 P-63D kit or conversion?


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Re: Airacobra, Kingcobra, and Airabonita Ideas and Inspirations
« Reply #92 on: July 02, 2021, 05:39:18 AM »
Does anyone know of a 1/48 P-63D kit or conversion?

The old MPM 1/48 P-63A/'C Kingcobra kit came with a P-63D canopy conversion (and a resin P-63F tail conversion set). The kit itself said to be rather poor ... but m aybe someone out there built an 'A, 'C, or 'Pinball', and chucked the canopy conversion into their spares box?
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Re: Airacobra, Kingcobra, and Airabonita Ideas and Inspirations
« Reply #93 on: July 03, 2021, 01:30:38 AM »
Does anyone know of a 1/48 P-63D kit or conversion?

The old MPM 1/48 P-63A/'C Kingcobra kit came with a P-63D canopy conversion (and a resin P-63F tail conversion set). The kit itself said to be rather poor ... but m aybe someone out there built an 'A, 'C, or 'Pinball', and chucked the canopy conversion into their spares box?

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I have the one with the RP-63A Pinball conversion bits in the stash but am not sure if it had the Bubble Canopy bits there as well.
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Re: Airacobra, Kingcobra, and Airabonita Ideas and Inspirations
« Reply #94 on: July 03, 2021, 10:41:22 AM »
Does anyone know of a 1/48 P-63D kit or conversion?




I wonder about combining that with a retractable-gear version of the L-39-2.

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Re: Airacobra, Kingcobra, and Airabonita Ideas and Inspirations
« Reply #95 on: July 04, 2021, 03:14:29 AM »
I have the one with the RP-63A Pinball conversion bits in the stash but am not sure if it had the Bubble Canopy bits there as well.

Ah, so it sounds like the conversion bits were offered either/or ... not both :(
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Re: Airacobra, Kingcobra, and Airabonita Ideas and Inspirations
« Reply #96 on: July 05, 2021, 02:38:34 AM »
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Re: Airacobra, Kingcobra, and Airabonita Ideas and Inspirations
« Reply #97 on: July 05, 2021, 07:38:37 PM »
Fine Greg but I did actually have some on-topic content that managed to get lost in the noise. Let me try again.

Westinghouse J30 or J34 engined TurboCobra. Sort of a coming together of a P-63 and a McDonnell FH-1. Although on further thought, I'd model it with bits from an Airfix F2H for ease.

ETA: Of course that leads to thoughts of a mid-V-1710 engined McDonnell fighter in exchange....
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Re: Airacobra, Kingcobra, and Airabonita Ideas and Inspirations
« Reply #98 on: July 05, 2021, 09:35:29 PM »
I've always wondered why they picked the P-63 for swept wing testing. I always thought they used the wrong aircraft. I've  got a project of using the L-39 wings and attaching them to a Ryan Fireball. I'm putting a R-2800 on the front, stretching the fuselage some, and other things --- 
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Re: Airacobra, Kingcobra, and Airabonita Ideas and Inspirations
« Reply #99 on: July 06, 2021, 03:37:34 AM »
I've always wondered why they picked the P-63 for swept wing testing. I always thought they used the wrong aircraft. I've  got a project of using the L-39 wings and attaching them to a Ryan Fireball. I'm putting a R-2800 on the front, stretching the fuselage some, and other things ---

Cool-sounding project  :smiley:  Your concept has powerplant similarities with Grumman's G-57 design study - 1 x R-2800 + 1 x Halford H.1 (later DH Goblin) turbojet.

The BuAer looked at a number of swept-winged research aircraft proposals. AFAIK, none of them came from Ryan. Grumman submitted two concepts - one a Wildcat with new swept wing panels; the second a completely new design (the G-77). [1] I'm rather surprised that the BuAer didn't choose the modified Wildcat - its retractable undercarriage would give the option of relatively high-speed wing testing as well.

That the BuAer didn't accept Grumman's F4F-based proposal suggests that their choice was based on available design staff time and shop floor space. Grumman was, of course, occupied with getting production Bearcats into service. Had Ryan actually submitted a swept-wing proposal, I suspect they'd have been told to focus on fixing the XFR-1's problems first - like making sure that the wings didn't fall off anymore!

Weirdly, the Bell Model 39 used modified P-63 outer wing components somehow rearranged into that swept form. The Kingcobra also had the advantage of having a really narrow centre section - maximizing how much swept span you got. By comparison, the FR-1 had a much wider centre section. That wouldn't stop you from applying sweep to the Ryan's outer wing panels but with a reduced swept span. Of course, your whif gets around that if you adopted the entire L-39 wings  ;)

The Kingcobra fuselage break point also proved fortuitous when the L-39's tail moment arm was found wanting. The FR-1 had a similar construction break but any rear fuselage extension would be somewhat complicated by that break being linked to turbojet engine access. Again, with your whif, the R-2800 would balance c/g for any rear fuselage extensions required.

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[1] The low-winged G-77 was to have ground-adjustable wing-sweep angle (kind of like the Messerschmitt P.1101 jet). It would have been powered by a modest 450 hp P&W R-985. I'm not sure about the model number of the swept-wing F4F proposal. Since the full-span flap Wildcat was the G-53, I'd guess that the swept-wing modified F4F proposal Model number was in the 54-to-57 range.
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