Author Topic: Boulton Paul Defiant ideas and inspiration (Read 8115 times)

Volkodav · « **on:** October 06, 2015, 04:35:10 PM »

First up from Popular Mechanics September 1940
https://books.google.com.au/books?id=vdkDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA391&dq=defiant&hl=en&ei=Aud5TOmcGoqonQehs9mWCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=defiant&f=true

21 gun fighter that can pour fire in all directions, the four turret guns, plus fourteen wing guns and three cannon in the nose, one firing through the propeller hub. Gotta love misinformation but the obvious whiff is to actually build it as described.

The other idea I had was a float plane version for service on board the RNs cruisers and battleships, able to scout, spot but also fight, which the Walrus couldn't.

jcf · « **Reply #1 on:** October 07, 2015, 01:18:04 AM »

The Blackburn Roc was designed from the beginning to also fulfill the twin-float seaplane fighter role (Spec. 26/36).
Three conversions were made, results were poor.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #2 on:** October 07, 2015, 03:56:23 AM »

I have a Carrier based Sea Defiant planned. Will have some (probably 4 in total) forward firing .303 MGs in outer wing panels which will also fold. Plan is for it to enter service instead of the Fairey Fulmar. Gunner will serve in dual gunner/observer role.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #3 on:** October 07, 2015, 03:56:57 AM »

As a modest mod, what about a radial engined Defiant?

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #4 on:** October 07, 2015, 03:58:56 AM »

Quote from: jcf on October 07, 2015, 01:18:04 AM

results were poor.

Well, no wonder...the aircraft has been given the dreaded Black Spot!

Seriously though, does anyone know of a 1/48 kit or conversion for this variant?

Dr. YoKai · « **Reply #5 on:** October 07, 2015, 04:00:16 AM »

Would be an interesting variant. I'll also suggest a single 20mm in place of the four .303s.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #6 on:** October 07, 2015, 04:03:19 AM »

Quote from: Dr. YoKai on October 07, 2015, 04:00:16 AM

Would be an interesting variant. I'll also suggest a single 20mm in place of the four .303s.

I figured that the Admiralty would count the turret weapons and say that it was armed all up with 8 MGs. Remember that this would be 1939/1940 before the war really got started.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #7 on:** April 08, 2016, 06:05:01 AM »

Quote from: GTX_Admin on October 07, 2015, 03:56:57 AM

As a modest mod, what about a radial engined Defiant?

I forgot that I actually drew this years ago:

And some others:

Super Defiant:

Interdictor variant:

Anti-tank variant:

Competitor for Blackburn Roc:

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #8 on:** April 08, 2016, 06:05:59 AM »

Its interesting just how much the Shturmovik (early models) like the Defiant looks without the turret (and some wing guns of course):

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #9 on:** April 08, 2016, 06:07:57 AM »

BTW, apparently Boulton Paul did look at a cannon armed Defiant with a single 20mm gun:

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #10 on:** April 08, 2016, 06:10:38 AM »

Another oldie: The hero of the Battle of Britain - the Boulton Paul Defiant Corvette class airship. Operating as part of His Majesty's Royal Air Fleet (RAF), these were instrumental in defending Britain from Hitler's/Goering's Luftwaffe Zeppelin attacks of 1940:

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #11 on:** April 08, 2016, 06:12:31 AM »

Some more inspiration for the Defiant:

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #12 on:** April 08, 2016, 06:21:20 AM »

The P.85 was Boulton Paul's tender to Specification O.30/35 for the naval turret fighter (eventually won by the the Blackburn Roc). It had a deeper fuselage and leading edge slats, for the lower landing speeds required of carrier aircraft. The engine would be either a Bristol Hercules radial or the Merlin.

The P.85B, Merlin-powered version, with side view of the P.85A Hercules version:

The P.85 floatplane, Hercules-powered:

Personally, I plan to do a carrier based Sea-Defiant someday. Mine will be a lot simpler though with a standard Defiant with added tail hook and folding outer wings (which will include a pair of MGs).

Logan Hartke · « **Reply #13 on:** April 08, 2016, 09:57:57 AM »

I was thinking that I really liked the look of that radial-engined P.96C, then I realized that there may be a reason for that...

http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=144.msg90880#msg90880

Cheers,

Logan

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #14 on:** June 12, 2020, 03:38:22 AM »

Look closely:

MAT · « **Reply #15 on:** June 12, 2020, 06:08:52 AM »

Griffon ?

Old Wombat · « **Reply #16 on:** June 12, 2020, 02:55:22 PM »

Yep, plus 4 x 20mm Hispano cannon in the wings.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #17 on:** June 13, 2020, 01:53:16 AM »

Good to see your spotting skills are still working guys.

apophenia · « **Reply #18 on:** June 13, 2020, 04:11:20 AM »

And a retractable tailwheel

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #19 on:** August 07, 2020, 03:36:54 AM »

Interesting shot showing the retractable spine:

Also one showing Defiants in production and highlighting nicely where the wing fold might be on my planned Sea Defiant:

Click on both photos to see larger versions.

ChernayaAkula · « **Reply #20 on:** August 07, 2020, 06:37:03 AM »

It's pretty much begging for folded wings all right.

Folding upwards or backwards, though....

Old Wombat · « **Reply #21 on:** August 07, 2020, 12:31:06 PM »

In the period, both fold systems were pretty simple but straight up would involve less modification of the wing structure than rear folding.

Rear folding wings;

Upwards folding wings;

Volkodav · « **Reply #22 on:** August 07, 2020, 07:20:07 PM »

Interesting, I never realised the Skua Had rearward folding wings

Buzzbomb · « **Reply #23 on:** August 07, 2020, 08:14:59 PM »

With Early Royal Navy Carriers, hangar height was an issue, so pretty much Wingspan - Folded bit = direction of fold.

This also follows with the Seafire and dainty tip folds.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #24 on:** August 08, 2020, 01:50:41 AM »

I'm thinking rear folding


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